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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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KormasABitch · 24/07/2021 14:11

Lost track of whether I answered this one, sorry!

He was happy to tag along with you because life with you gave him more than a life on his own with his involvement in illegal activities.
I don't see what's illegal about him escaping exploitation by a criminal gang, and reporting them to the police? I think he was a proper hero in what would have been an absolutely terrifying situation to find yourself in, in a foreign country where you barely speak the language.

(He's now so fluent in English that I often forget it's not his native tongue.)

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KormasABitch · 24/07/2021 14:11

And although having £250K in the bank by the time you are 65 is excellent, it will soon be eaten up.
I know! Hopefully this is where Pete comes in!!!

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whatkindofdaughter · 24/07/2021 14:15

I can't comment on the above without knowing the circs, but presumably he got involved in some dodgy dealing, as an innocent party.

It comes over as if when he arrived in the UK he had no idea of how to find work or a place to live and got wrapped up with a bad lot.

Apologies if this is not the case

whatkindofdaughter · 24/07/2021 14:17

@KormasABitch

And although having £250K in the bank by the time you are 65 is excellent, it will soon be eaten up. I know! Hopefully this is where Pete comes in!!!
Please don't pin all your hopes on a man who has yet to fulfil what he says he will do.

You sound very on the ball. Make sure you provide for yourself the best you can. IF you were to divorce, he'd walk away with half and where would you be then? (Clue- shit creek.)

Saltyslug · 24/07/2021 14:24

Sit down and chat with Pete. Explain that you’d like more financial security and that you’d like to plan life in the next country so that financially he was putting into the shared pot

SorryWoman · 24/07/2021 14:24

If you ever need to talk later down the line OP then feel free to message me.

It sounds like this thread is winding down and I'm pretty sure I speak for most people on this thread when I say I'm going to miss hearing your thoughts and how things pan out. Can't you start a blogging thread on here or something? 🤭

You sound like an extremely engaging, spirited, fun woman and you deserve happiness and stability. If I dont read from you again, then I wish you well and the answers you seek 🌻

SimonedeBeauvoirscat · 24/07/2021 14:30

That’s very interesting OP. It does sound as though, after some stiflingly conventional early years, the pendulum swung quite far in the other direction. I won’t call it a mid life crisis because I find that phrase quite patronising but let’s say you’ve sown some wild oats?! Wink
It probably makes sense to shift back a bit more towards a middle way for the next phase of your life, though, which you seem to have realised so that’s good.
The only thing I’d add is that if you haven’t already talked to Pete about this change in your perspective, I think it’s important that you do. He needs to understand that financial security is becoming more important to you now and he has a big role to play in that.

KormasABitch · 24/07/2021 14:32

@allwhatkindofdaughter

I’ve saved this one till last because I want to have a bit of fun with it 😋

I really believe that you would benefit from therapy. The way you dismiss suggests an aversion to exploring issues more deeply and putting yourself in a vulnerable place where a therapist would probe deeply.

You see, this is the thing! It’s easy to pathologise someone else’s attitudes! For example, I could ask you to explore the following with a therapist:

Once a woman is no longer sexually attractive, why does it seem that the only possible attraction she can offer is money? (You might want to consider/discuss the influence of media and marketing here.)

Why is having a great sex life so crucial to a relationship? Does it compensate for areas of deficiency? What statistics are we supposed to comply with?

Do you trust men (especially foreign men; the visa/dodgy illegal thing) to be sincere and caring?

If a woman is supporting a man financially (in slightly odd circumstances of her own making), does that mean she must be deeply in denial and have self-worth issues? Unpack why.

How do you get the work/life balance right, and what kind of work is worth doing? In all circumstances, is any kind of work worth doing, for however little pay, rather than having no income? What is the relative value of taking care of your partner in the home?

Are you comfortable with the idea of becoming less attractive as you age?

See what I did there? I could not resist, sorry 😋 and I don’t seriously think you need to consider any of these. I just wanted to show you how it can work both ways.

In terms of “putting myself in a vulnerable place,” I don’t know if you’ve ever started a thread on MN, but it is ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING!!!!!!!!!!! I feel I have been “probed deeply” enough to resolve my dilemma.

What I’ve learned, above all, is that I am actually OK. I might not make sense to other people, but I do make sense to myself. And to Pete. And that's enough for me.

I don’t blame you for not accepting what I tell you about him. I didn’t know such men existed, either. But he does. And that’s why I married him.

I can’t believe it’s Saturday afternoon already! I am going to sign off here and will try not to look at or reply to any further messages that crop up, rather than keep replying; or that's the weekend gone.

Just to reiterate my deep gratitude to you all for this interesting interaction. Enjoy your weekends, whatever you’re up to! Flowers Cake Gin Wine Flowers Star

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Roussette · 24/07/2021 14:37

I echo SorryWoman also. My PM box is always open, especially as I have a Pete 😂

I don’t know if you’ve ever started a thread on MN, but it is ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes! I started one asking for recipes for dips... that was scary enough!

Good luck Karma you deserve it! And thank you for the thread. It's actually enlightened me Smile

CatherineAragon · 24/07/2021 15:23

Good luck OP. You sound like a wonderful person to know. It’s a shame you prefer to live in isolation because you sound like great company. I think you Have responded with a lot of self awareness , humour and in a very articulate manner.
Best of luck! Please update us!

JanuaryJonez · 24/07/2021 16:29

I've only read your opening post but YDNBU!

You've only been together a decade and don't seem to own a property together and you also don't have children together.

I think it's time to move on and your friend sounds great. Good luck - I hope it works out!

sunshinesupermum · 24/07/2021 18:15

JanuaryJonez DRTFT! It's entertaining and has moved well away from its OP.

Mummybear886 · 24/07/2021 21:09

I honestly think Pete deserves someone better!

Onthedunes · 25/07/2021 00:20

Poor Pete .......

Is he going to be chosen or discarded.

Ne mind, he's only your husband.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 25/07/2021 07:04

I agree with @SorryWoman and @Roussette - I'll miss this thread and your posts! You write so well, you should definitely consider blogging - and persevere with writing your book!

whatkindofdaughter · 25/07/2021 08:16

@KormasABitch I know you said no one had to answer these points, but it's a red rag to a bull, especially as your 'questions' misinterpret what I asked you :) So don't waste your Sunday reading, but maybe have a look some other time?

For example, I could ask you to explore the following with a therapist:

Once a woman is no longer sexually attractive, why does it seem that the only possible attraction she can offer is money? You might want to consider/discuss the influence of media and marketing here.

I didn't say that any woman was no longer attractive after a certain age, for starters. That's because I don't believe that . It's interesting that you seem to think that about women though. You have implied that you are not attractive physically at 60. I never joined the dots in that way. He told you in so many words that he wasn't with your for your looks and ridiculed you for wearing false eyelashes. Other posters have said that such 'honesty' from him is cruel.

Why is having a great sex life so crucial to a relationship? Does it compensate for areas of deficiency? What statistics are we supposed to comply with?

It's whatever works for you as a couple. But, again, it was you who made the point that he gets a 'head orgasm' from you and enjoys that as much as a different sort. So the inference is that you are intellectually compatible and sex isn't that important to either of you. Fine.

Do you trust men (especially foreign men; the visa/dodgy illegal thing) to be sincere and caring?

I'm struggling to see why you have juxtaposed these. Some foreign men will be caring, some won't. My point was...we know little about why your H came to the UK. He didn't speak English , had no work, no home and presumably little money. That doesn't mean he's not caring. What is might mean for you, is that he places far less value on economic stability and is a risk taker- which is now causing you problems with his lack of earning power as you get towards retirement.

If a woman is supporting a man financially (in slightly odd circumstances of her own making), does that mean she must be deeply in denial and have self-worth issues? Unpack why.

Of course not! But in the context of YOU, it's clear you had a run-in, as you said, with men who either abused you and were parasites.

How do you get the work/life balance right, and what kind of work is worth doing? In all circumstances, is any kind of work worth doing, for however little pay, rather than having no income? What is the relative value of taking care of your partner in the home?

IMO, sometimes doing some work however menial gives a sense of purpose and structure to the day. But there is a fine line between working for 'nothing' when the time could be spent looking after the home etc if the other partner brings home the bacon. However read your first post again- so far, Pete is neither working nor looking after your home.

Are you comfortable with the idea of becoming less attractive as you age?

I don't think age = being less attractive. It's interesting that this seems to be something you believe, by putting it over as a question.

KormasABitch · 25/07/2021 09:34

Ah, OK, @whatkindofdaughter -- then I misread things like your hypothetical question to Pete, "What attracts you to Korma given she says you are not with her for her looks?" Sorry!

As I said, my questions weren't really aimed at you. I was just being playful. But I do think our whole culture is riddled with the assumption that our value as women is very much tied up in how we look and how sexy we are. Basically, that's how they manage to sell us lots of stuff we don't need.

The eyelashes are a case in point. I didn't explain it very well but when he laughed and told me not to bullshit myself, he didn't mean "Don't even try to make yourself look nice because it's a fail." He meant "Don't waste your money on fake glamour because you look fine as you are."

And it's not that he doesn't think I'm beautiful. Actually, he sees my beauty more than anyone else. For example, we have a picture on the wall with a woman's face as the focal point. She is the perfect image of loveliness and serenity. A friend once commented on how gorgeous she was and Pete said "She looks like Korma," and the friend looked at me a bit puzzled. But I know what he means. She doesn't really look like me (maybe a bit like I did years ago, but not really). She looks like my soul feels. That's what he can see when he looks at me, and he doesn't want fake eyelashes getting in the way.

I should also add, very emphatically, that my soul did not feel beautiful until fairly recent years. My soul was crushed and hammered and stamped on in all directions, including work, where for decades I earned peanuts for running around after everyone else. I always thought there was something wrong with me. Pete is always very emphatic that there is nothing wrong with me, quite the opposite. So if you have noticed any self-confidence in me on this thread, we largely have him to thank.

I didn't keep in touch with many people who knew me back in the dark days of my first marriage, but one of them met me recently and literally had trouble recognising me. Not physically (did I mention I'm still smoking hot?!?) but because she'd always known me as someone whose every other word was "Sorry."

Thank you to the PPs who have complimented my writing. That means such a lot to me! Also, of course, feel free to PM me any time. 😊

You know what my book is about? It's about my first marriage. How you can spend years and years and years in an abusive relationship without properly realising it. How difficult it is to extract yourself from that, because you've got so used to discounting your feelings. And so on.

Having found my way out of that (the bravest and most difficult thing I've ever done), I feel it is my duty to build a ladder for other women who are in that situation, to help them climb out of it.

The posts last night were comedy gold, weren't they?! I was tempted to post something about having my doubts again 🤣 just so we could all go back to square one. I feel a bit like I've been chased around the playground with baseball bats, and then somehow we all made friends, and I was just being lifted triumphantly onto shoulders when a bulldozer crushed us all flat.

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whatkindofdaughter · 25/07/2021 09:52

Ah, okay- that explains a lot :)

You sound in a much better place than you were in the past.

It's easy for nuances to go AWOL in threads like this.

I do think you need to chat seriously to P and discuss the money issues and make sure you are both on the same page re. your future.

And get yourself a hot financial advisor! It's struck me that if you can sae £50K pa now that the work is done on your house, you have a good income but maybe money-management isn't a strength? Meaning that kindly, because it would have made sense to use your earnings to re-build your home rather than spend your pension pot.

I'm sending you a PM about something else anyway :)

Alcemeg · 25/07/2021 09:54

maybe money-management isn't a strength?
I don't know what gave you that impression! 🤣

And yes, don't worry, I've had this all out with Pete. He knows the score.

thank you!

Cavagirl · 25/07/2021 09:59

Been following this one, so not surprised given the excellent writing to see your name change fail @Alcemeg Grin
I've reported it x

FittedSheet · 25/07/2021 10:02

We saw nothing, @Alcemeg. 😀

KormasABitch · 25/07/2021 10:10

@Cavagirl

Been following this one, so not surprised given the excellent writing to see your name change fail *@Alcemeg* Grin I've reported it x
Ahahahahaaaa!!!! To be honest, I don't care any more. I'm not sure why I changed my name for this thread. I think I just felt so ashamed of myself! I wanted to distance myself from myself, if that makes sense! but it's a complete pain in the arse having an alias. It's a good job I never contemplated living a double life with Pete and John, as I would clearly fuck up within minutes.

Can you get names changed retrospectively on posts? I didn't know that. I'm only swapping back here so as not to confuse people 😋

Lovely to see you on here @Cavagirl and thank you for the compliment! Flowers I'm always so impressed by your posts. And I'm very flattered that you've been following this thread. I feel a bit like that lady at the end of the Morecambe & Wise show, "If you've enjoyed it, then it's ALL been worthwhile!"

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grapewine · 25/07/2021 10:17

@AlternativePerspective

@ thinkingaboutLangCleg well, OP is having to make up some less desirable traits about Pete because she’s not getting the answers here that she wants.

The reader needs to fall out of love with the husband so that they accept and embrace the woman falling in love with the leading man…

Exactly this.

Let your husband go find someone who loves him, OP. Doesn't sound like you do.

Cavagirl · 25/07/2021 10:18

🤣 it was a very enjoyable thread, you were the OP who kept coming back which made it very engaging (nothing worse than an OP who disappears!) Glad you got some clarity on it all.
I have no idea if @mnhq can change names retrospectively... but if they can't I guess they will ask you if you want it deleted for being "outing"...and probably all the ones since Grin

KormasABitch · 25/07/2021 10:19

@grapewine And you sound like someone who hasn't got all weekend to read pages and pages of my crap, and I don't blame you.

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