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In a relationship with older man. Want to move in. Can you advise?

142 replies

Takeneback · 08/07/2021 16:56

I’m F, 37 years old, divorced single mother with 4 DC under 7 from previous abusive marriage. I live in London. I have been in a relationship with a man who is 55, widowed, has 3 university age DC who do not live with him but come home for the holidays and he lives an hour away from London by train. We have been together 2.5 years. He has met my DC and I have met his, but it’s been as “friends,” and we have not done overnights with any of the DC around.

I have full custody of my children, I work full time and earn well and the DC spend every other weekend with my dparents and a Nanny. The way our relationship has worked so far is I have been working from home and fitting in school runs and seeing a lot of DC during the day, then DP will come up and stay in a hotel in London and see me 2 days and evenings a week for drinks, dinner and fun (in his hotel.) Then on the weekends where my parents have the DC, I travel down to his and spend the weekend with him.

Since his DW died (5 years ago while his youngest was doing GCSEs) he has not wanted to introduce them to anyone officially until they have properly “flown the nest.” Lockdown, like with many people, has affected our relationship in that his DC came back to live at home through all the lockdowns and have been using it as a base to come and go since then, which has made for a few heated discussions about how I fit in.

I’ve got to the point where I would like us to live together and be together properly. He and I have a holiday booked later in the summer and had agreed to discuss how this might work – emotionally, financially, officially (whether we should think about getting married) and most importantly in relation to the DC. DP has always made it clear he is anxious about the idea of “taking on 4 DC” and not yet decided If he wants to do that. He is somebody who takes child raising seriously and has shouldered the parenting of his 3 DC since their mother’s death and has always used it as a reason to hold back on the next stage of our relationship. He has said he likes things as they are.

Last week DP got really drunk during the England match (we were not physically together at the time) and started whatsapping me very loving messages. It was all very nice then he started saying things like “it scares me so much taking on (DC’s names) but I want to live with you and wake up next to you every morning, so we should just do it. I am all in. I want to wake up with you every day, I don’t know what else will work.” Lots and lots of messages like this. I replied and told him not to talk about it when drunk but he became very insistent that he was full steam ahead and I should be too.

We saw each other yesterday and he was very sheepish about it, avoiding the question and just saying he got a bit drunk and carried away and we should talk about it later in the summer “as planned.” I had been so happy this week thinking it might finally happen so had it out with him and we had a proper talk about it.

Basically his reservations are as follows:

He can only do all or nothing with the DC. If we live together he is not going to pretend they are not in the house or take a step back from being involved, he is going to commit to parenting them because that is the person that he is. But it is the thought of that which is most scary. He will be 70 by the time they are properly grown up, he will get too old very quickly to parent young DC. He keeps saying “I don’t know if I can do that again.”
He said “I earn good money now, but I do not “have” a lot of money. I will need to retire at some point and your life is going to be expensive as you will want to send DC to university and higher education and give them lots of opportunities.”

He worries that he will get erectile dysfunction and not be able to keep me happy sexually (I already know he secretly takes Viagra, but he does not know I know.) He worries that he will suffer from poor health and that will be a burden on me.

He worries about introducing 4 new young DC to the house he lives and lived in (including bedrooms etc) with his dw and DC as if they (his DC) are being immediately replaced.

He wants to be able to have fun with me, celebrate his freedom and grown up kids, travel and have experiences and take opportunities. He sees this working better with him living alone and then me joining him for adventures. But then he appreciates I am at a different stage of life and doesn’t want to lose me.

I have honestly never been happier or had more fun than in this relationship. But I am also very insecure and I can’t tell if I am dealing with bog standard commitment phobia or whether what he is saying makes perfect sense. There is a part of me that is very romantic and just feels that if you want to make it work, you find a way to make it work.

Can anybody help with opinions or advice?

OP posts:
Takeneback · 08/07/2021 16:59

Just in case it comes up, I am financially independent and make my own money so don’t expect him to pay for anything including DC education

OP posts:
Mum4Fergus · 08/07/2021 17:00

The way I read it, it's pretty clear he doesn't want the responsibility of your DCs. Sorry, but if it was me I'd either be ending the relationship or accepting that it's highly unlikely you will ever live together.

MaxiPaddy · 08/07/2021 17:04

He's just pussyfooting around the fact that he doesn't want to take on the responsibility. If it was just the two of you, MAYBE, but even that isn't certain given what he's saying, and he definitely doesn't want your kids.

Wake up, and move on, this one is going nowhere.

NowEvenBetter · 08/07/2021 17:10

The only important issue is would it benefit your young kids from an abusive marriage to be made to live with your boyfriend? They’re all under 7, so a large part of their short lives has been marred by trauma and upheaval, would more upheaval benefit them? Why not just date him?

WeatherSystems · 08/07/2021 17:16

Honestly, I think it’s good he’s being so open and honest. Not many men of his age (or any tbf) after raising three grieving kids alone for several years alongside his own bereavement would be willing to take on raising another four little ones.

Between you you’d have seven kids. That’s a lot to cope with practically, emotionally and financially. He doesn’t want to do it and I think that’s absolutely fair. He’s trying to persuade himself into wanting a life together because he loves you, but deep down it seems he recognises it isn’t a good idea and isn’t going to work, as hard as he’s trying to figure out a way.

It sounds like a sad case of right person, wrong time. Maybe it’s best if you part now as friends before you get any deeper.

C0RINNA · 08/07/2021 17:18

I agree with @Mum4Fergus. I think he’s happy dating you and having fun but he doesn't want to start all over again with young children.

TBH I think that at 37 with four young kids and a demanding career you have your hands full. Fun weekends are one thing. It’s quite another to take on a man almost 20 years older than you and his three student kids.

Don’t think that they are “ off your hands “ when they are at uni. They still need a lot of emotional and practical support and no doubt will for some time.

Being a step mum to young adults is often not a lot of fun.

How do you see it working during the 22 weeks a year when you will all be living together with your 7 children? Have you even thought through the practicalities of this ( apologies if you have )?

Are his kids going to move our their bedrooms for your children ? Or are you going to buy somewhere new together? Either way I think his kids will hate it.

Is your nanny live in? hows that going to work?

If you were my friend, I’ll tell you to enjoy the child free weekends shagging in a hotel and eating lovely meals / seeing shows/ going to galleries and museums. But leave it at that.

Your lifestyles and life stages are just not compatible.

camaleon · 08/07/2021 17:30

He is honest. He knows the many years of bringing up children/teenagers ahead. He has done it once and he is not ready to do it all again.

He is not sure he wants to be the old man in the relationship either. He seems very rationale. I would not want him in my life either. Your arrangement seems very good. Bringing a man who fully wants to act as a father while he is not the father may be really difficult. Are you sure you have compatible views on how to raise children?

crimsonlake · 08/07/2021 17:33

Tbh, he is being very truthful, however it would have been sensible if he had thought about what might happen long term and never got involved with you in the first place.
You are in very different stages in your lives and you clearly have some serious thinking about what you want.

Feelingoktoday · 08/07/2021 17:38

As others have said I’m afraid that he doesn’t want to bring up four little children. Listen to what he is saying. He also thinks he is too old. What will happen to his children when you move into the family home? Does he own the family home? Is he intending to leave the family home to his kids when he dies.

You really need to listen to what he is saying. He clearly loves your company but doesn’t want to take it further.

Standrewsschool · 08/07/2021 17:41

I agree, he enjoys your company, but doesn’t want to become a parent again. His children have flown the nest, and he doesn’t want to revert to those less independent days.

thenewduchessofhastings · 08/07/2021 17:45

Tbh I'm not trying to judge him harshly here,he's mid 50's and obviously not a spring chicken anymore.

He's been through a huge trauma,had to be a single parent to 3 adolescents and is understandably not overly keen not being a full time parent to 4 young children.

I think you might have to adjust your expectations here.

Rothko2929 · 08/07/2021 17:55

@Feelingoktoday

As others have said I’m afraid that he doesn’t want to bring up four little children. Listen to what he is saying. He also thinks he is too old. What will happen to his children when you move into the family home? Does he own the family home? Is he intending to leave the family home to his kids when he dies.

You really need to listen to what he is saying. He clearly loves your company but doesn’t want to take it further.

This. He is actually telling you OP, you’re just not listening…
Dillydollydingdong · 08/07/2021 17:55

I can understand his doubts. That would be a huge burden, bringing up someone else's four young children, especially at his age. At least he's being honest. I wouldn't try to push it. Why it it always a goal to live together? Me and my dp don't, due to my family responsibilities and we're very happy. If it ain't broke, why mend it?

Oddbutnotodd · 08/07/2021 17:58

I’m widowed and have 3 young adult children. There’s no way I would take on being a full time parent to a younger family now.

scoobydoo1971 · 08/07/2021 18:03

Huge age gap between you, and at different stages of your life. In ten years, he will be a pensioner and you will be at mid-life potentially juggling career, menopause, older man with care needs, and teenagers. That is before we get to how his children will, or will not, accept you as a potential step-mother. I think if you want to date him, that is fine. Be careful about merging two households with some complex circumstances. His use of Viagra should be a red flag. He shouldn't have ED at 55 if he is otherwise fit and healthy. He may have underlying health issues already, and while you might be accepting of these...your life is hectic now, and I am sure one day you look forward to not having so much on your plate. Imagine reaching that day when the kids have flown the nest, you can scale back at work...and then you have to be a carer to your partner.

bigbaggyeyes · 08/07/2021 18:03

4 dc under 7 is a massive responsibility for a step parent. Especially as his are just about to fly the nest. In his shoes I'd not want that. But I'm not him.... although his actions strongly suggest he feels the same. I know he said differently whist drunk, but he was drunk and in the cold light of the day he's probably pretty horrified and trying to dig himself out of the hole

Coronawireless · 08/07/2021 18:09

All the pleasure of it would go out the window for him if you and your 4 under-7s moved in. How would his children feel? Can’t you continue as you are for now? Do you really need more?

BuffySummersReportingforSanity · 08/07/2021 18:14

I think he's right, and I'd feel the same in his shoes.

Four very young DC fresh out of an abusive relationship is a lot. A LOT. I'm not at all sure that moving in with your BF is what's best for them, even when you set aside that your relationship with him has basically been a sort of legit affair, all grown up time in hotels and minimal grind of reality.

He is right to recognise that combining households would be a huge step, a huge commitment on his part. He's also right to realise that it would probably be at best very difficult for all of the seven(!) children involved. Romantic notions about "making it work" don't go very far.

Stay as you are, or recognise that you're not at the right stages to be together and break up.

IsThePopeCatholic · 08/07/2021 18:16

He is being honest with you, and I don’t blame him for not wanting to take on 4 young children. Why not just enjoy your time with him as it is. It seems like you have a lovely relationship .

Cowbells · 08/07/2021 18:18

You have four DC under 7? I think he is very responsible to be reticent about taking that responsibility on. It is a colossal responsibility to do that well.

It's hard for you because your relationship can't really deepen and develop to the next stage. But it does sound like you both enjoy it in its current form. Personally, I'd rather have that effortless romance and then return to DC to be free to focus on them and raise them as I choose than to create the upheaval of living together and having differing opinions on how to raise stepchildren. You will acquire university age DC too who are by no means without their own needs and emotional meltdowns.

Don't underestimate what you already have. But maybe you could gradually include some sleepovers so they get used to seeing him in your home, and maybe some holidays together.

BlankTimes · 08/07/2021 18:20

I'd keep the relationship as it is, you both have your independence and your together times.

Trying to make a blended family work between both of you and all 7 kids would be a total nightmare.
It would never work emotionally for his kids if you and your kids moved into their house, what had always been theirs and their late Mother's would be pretty much taken over by you, your littlies and their incompatible needs. Cue discord and resentment.

If you bought a new home with your lovely man, both he and his kids would have to drop all of their memories of what happened in their family home and start afresh with you. That's a massive step and likely to be fraught with resentment and tension for a long time.

Even planning a single fun day out where all nine of you would enjoy yourselves is a mind-boggling exercise in logistics.

Right now, you seem to have the perfect arrangement, two adults who can enjoy each other's company, but aren't so entangled that all of the hassle a relationship can bring gets in the way all the time.
I'd stay that way if I was you.

WouldBeGood · 08/07/2021 18:22

I am in a committed relationship with a lovely man. He has a grown up child and I have a young teen. We do not live together and have no plans to do so, certainly while DS is at home. It works well, and there’s none of the pressure. Could you do that?

Edmontine · 08/07/2021 18:26

In ten years, he will be a pensioner and you will be at mid-life potentially juggling career, menopause, older man with care needs,

Shock WTF? The man's fifty five! In Ten Years He Will Be Sixty Five. Why the jeff would anyone assume he'll have 'care needs'? Seriously. (I would imagine the Viagra may be connected to death of spouse and subsequent unanticipated sole parenting of children.)

But on the substantive point, I couldn't help noticing the juxtaposition of these two paragraphs in the OP:

his DC came back to live at home through all the lockdowns and have been using it as a base to come and go since then, which has made for a few heated discussions about how I fit in.

I’ve got to the point where I would like us to live together and be together properly.

Essentially, OP you want to move in to stake your claim to him because you're feeling his children have too much of his attention. No?

Feelingoktoday · 08/07/2021 18:32

“his DC came back to live at home through all the lockdowns and have been using it as a base to come and go since then, which has made for a few heated discussions about how I fit in.”

That’s very cruel OP. His children, ok older, have still lost their mother. I think he sounds like a lovely father letting his grown up children come back and use the family home as a base. It’s not your right to tell him what to do. My father moved his girlfriend into the family home after my mother died, I never forgave him. My brother, 21, was basically kicked out.

Auntienumber8 · 08/07/2021 18:33

I’m his age and there is no way I would want to bring up four such tiny dc. It means your life becomes one long small child parenting experience.

Plus all your dating has been weekends away , no getting stroppy about who hasn’t put out the bins. You either stay together as it is for a while for the fun and companionship or if you want a moving in partnership or can’t deal with the emotional toll of it remaining like this you need to end it. Will you find that significant other ever? It’s a risk.