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In a relationship with older man. Want to move in. Can you advise?

142 replies

Takeneback · 08/07/2021 16:56

I’m F, 37 years old, divorced single mother with 4 DC under 7 from previous abusive marriage. I live in London. I have been in a relationship with a man who is 55, widowed, has 3 university age DC who do not live with him but come home for the holidays and he lives an hour away from London by train. We have been together 2.5 years. He has met my DC and I have met his, but it’s been as “friends,” and we have not done overnights with any of the DC around.

I have full custody of my children, I work full time and earn well and the DC spend every other weekend with my dparents and a Nanny. The way our relationship has worked so far is I have been working from home and fitting in school runs and seeing a lot of DC during the day, then DP will come up and stay in a hotel in London and see me 2 days and evenings a week for drinks, dinner and fun (in his hotel.) Then on the weekends where my parents have the DC, I travel down to his and spend the weekend with him.

Since his DW died (5 years ago while his youngest was doing GCSEs) he has not wanted to introduce them to anyone officially until they have properly “flown the nest.” Lockdown, like with many people, has affected our relationship in that his DC came back to live at home through all the lockdowns and have been using it as a base to come and go since then, which has made for a few heated discussions about how I fit in.

I’ve got to the point where I would like us to live together and be together properly. He and I have a holiday booked later in the summer and had agreed to discuss how this might work – emotionally, financially, officially (whether we should think about getting married) and most importantly in relation to the DC. DP has always made it clear he is anxious about the idea of “taking on 4 DC” and not yet decided If he wants to do that. He is somebody who takes child raising seriously and has shouldered the parenting of his 3 DC since their mother’s death and has always used it as a reason to hold back on the next stage of our relationship. He has said he likes things as they are.

Last week DP got really drunk during the England match (we were not physically together at the time) and started whatsapping me very loving messages. It was all very nice then he started saying things like “it scares me so much taking on (DC’s names) but I want to live with you and wake up next to you every morning, so we should just do it. I am all in. I want to wake up with you every day, I don’t know what else will work.” Lots and lots of messages like this. I replied and told him not to talk about it when drunk but he became very insistent that he was full steam ahead and I should be too.

We saw each other yesterday and he was very sheepish about it, avoiding the question and just saying he got a bit drunk and carried away and we should talk about it later in the summer “as planned.” I had been so happy this week thinking it might finally happen so had it out with him and we had a proper talk about it.

Basically his reservations are as follows:

He can only do all or nothing with the DC. If we live together he is not going to pretend they are not in the house or take a step back from being involved, he is going to commit to parenting them because that is the person that he is. But it is the thought of that which is most scary. He will be 70 by the time they are properly grown up, he will get too old very quickly to parent young DC. He keeps saying “I don’t know if I can do that again.”
He said “I earn good money now, but I do not “have” a lot of money. I will need to retire at some point and your life is going to be expensive as you will want to send DC to university and higher education and give them lots of opportunities.”

He worries that he will get erectile dysfunction and not be able to keep me happy sexually (I already know he secretly takes Viagra, but he does not know I know.) He worries that he will suffer from poor health and that will be a burden on me.

He worries about introducing 4 new young DC to the house he lives and lived in (including bedrooms etc) with his dw and DC as if they (his DC) are being immediately replaced.

He wants to be able to have fun with me, celebrate his freedom and grown up kids, travel and have experiences and take opportunities. He sees this working better with him living alone and then me joining him for adventures. But then he appreciates I am at a different stage of life and doesn’t want to lose me.

I have honestly never been happier or had more fun than in this relationship. But I am also very insecure and I can’t tell if I am dealing with bog standard commitment phobia or whether what he is saying makes perfect sense. There is a part of me that is very romantic and just feels that if you want to make it work, you find a way to make it work.

Can anybody help with opinions or advice?

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unstabletoddler · 10/07/2021 00:31

With someone else I mean.

Fireflygal · 10/07/2021 08:54

Please consider that he could be a grandparent in a few years and that will bring other dynamics.

I honestly think most people would have walked away when you shared your backgrounds. I've had a connection with someone but ended it as knew our family set ups just wouldn't work. Why? Because my children have to come first and experience tells me longterm it never works out anyway. There are always more men and online dating is tough but that's the same for most people.

Due to the different life stages you will have to compromise so much to stay together. You will have to give up the living together dream and play 2nd fiddle to his children. He will have to give up travelling and enjoying his "free" years.

However I don't think either or you are truly acknowledging the compromises that are needed.

You seem to want to pull him into your world but from his point of view that's unreasonable. He has very clearly told you it isn't for him so you need to drop that vision of your relationship and see if you can accept the reality. It will be living apart seeing each other when possible and fitting each other around commitments. Be prepared for him to have adventure holidays that may not include you if time doesn't allow. This is what compromise looks like...only you can decide if the relationship is worth it.

If you start to feel angry or resentful of his commitments then you know that's the time to walk. The same applies to him.

PS my lunch with my partner was disrupted yesterday because his Uni daughter needed help (he is also the sole parent). Unlike smaller children you can't outsource them to a nanny. I'm fine with it because we are at similar stages so same stuff happens to me. We also live close by so that makes life easier. I refused to date men with younger children.

PearlclutchersInc · 10/07/2021 09:01

The fact that you're here indicates that you have subliminal doubts about it - based on what he's telling you and that is that he really doesnt want to.

Given the ages of your children I'd sidestep any more drama and stick with the current setup. Whether that's with or without him is what you need to give serious consideration.

Takeneback · 10/07/2021 09:40

I think the reason why I am here is because I think these relationship boards are always great and insightful. This is not a problem I have encountered before in a relationship (my ex was completely abusive in every way) and when you have a history like that, you don’t know whether you are over or under reacting to signs or messages. So technically I may have some subliminal thoughts about the relationship but I don’t know how to interpret them and I don’t trust my own barometer. Having had such a shit, abusive marriage and feeling very desperate and panicky for a long time, there is a lot about this sane, functional, calm, loving relationship I want to cling to

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C0RINNA · 10/07/2021 10:59

I think part of me fears that now his DC are a lot more independent (they are all getting flats of their own now with boyfriends and girlfriends even though they do still return to the family home) that my DP will want more than I can give time-wise and travel-wise in the next phase of his life, and without having my DC there too, I don’t know how it could work. Also I worry about him meeting someone else if that is the case

I am at full capacity in terms of work, kids and lack of sleep and time. It would solve some of the time problem if I could have him around in the times I have my kids

He doesn’t want family time with you and your 4 small children . He wants time alone with you in a hotel doing fun adult things. He has told you this. Many poster have told you this. You are not listening.

It might suit you ( in theory ) to move in with him but it’s not what he wants.

And why on Earth do you think that your plan will keep him ? If he wants someone to travel with and have more fun adult time than you can provide, he will leave anyway.

If he loves you and what you have together then he will need to compromise and accept that these times will be limited.

No one here is blaming you for wanting to hold onto someone you clearly care about. We are just saying that your plan to do so is not a good one and won’t work. If anything, pressing him to move in together so will just drive him away. It will just underline that you want very different futures.

He wants what you have EOW full time, or at least more of it. Holidays to Paris and Berlin , concerts, dinners, sex in hotels, champagne and canapés.

You want another adult to share the domestic drudgery and parenting of your small children. Happy meals, soft play and days out at theme parks.

Romanoff · 10/07/2021 11:02

The fact that you use the term 'cling to' is quite telling.

I think you know moving in won't be right for you or your kids.

But you like him and enjoy his company. You do feel threatened by his kids and some how feel moving in will make your more official.

When it's probably likely to cause that many issues, he will regret it.

You are clinging on, because you like him. Even though your know the relationship isn't right for you.

I think you either need to accept living apart for a good long while, or move on.

JSL52 · 10/07/2021 12:09

@Takeneback

I think the reason why I am here is because I think these relationship boards are always great and insightful. This is not a problem I have encountered before in a relationship (my ex was completely abusive in every way) and when you have a history like that, you don’t know whether you are over or under reacting to signs or messages. So technically I may have some subliminal thoughts about the relationship but I don’t know how to interpret them and I don’t trust my own barometer. Having had such a shit, abusive marriage and feeling very desperate and panicky for a long time, there is a lot about this sane, functional, calm, loving relationship I want to cling to
It's not a normal relationship though is it? It wouldn't be what it is now when all 4 kids are there and he's moaning about the mess and noise. No lying around shagging eol when you have 4 kids under 7.
warmfluffytowels · 10/07/2021 12:21

Having had such a shit, abusive marriage and feeling very desperate and panicky for a long time, there is a lot about this sane, functional, calm, loving relationship I want to cling to

TBH this is quite worrying in itself.

It reads to me like you didn't spend any time being single in-between leaving your abusive marriage and jumping into a relationship with your partner. You then fell head over heels and didn't stop to think about any of the practicalities involved for either of you.

It's totally okay for a man in his fifties not to want to "start again" with very small nursery/primary age DC. His priority is, rightly, his own children. They shouldn't have to share their dads' home with four unrelated, small children and all the noise, stress and expense that comes along with that.

You either need to keep things the way they are and enjoy your child-free holidays and weekends together, or if that's not enough for you, call time and spend some time on your own for a while - figure out what you really want - don't cling to this man and try and get him to bend around your needs. It won't be a happy ending for anyone.

Good luck.

Chocaholic9 · 10/07/2021 12:23

I think he wants you but he doesn't want the responsibilities that come with being with you.

Elys3 · 10/07/2021 14:04

Living apart but being together can be brilliant. My partner is my absolute soulmate but we will probably never live together and blend our families. We each have our own space we have configured to our exact needs, we get to share the good parts but don’t have to share the drudgery.

But it must be what you want. If you will always yearn for the two of you to live together and blend families, it may be kinder to both of you in the long run to let him go.

Fireflygal · 10/07/2021 14:11

sane, functional, calm, loving relationship

It is only those thing because you haven't integrated your lives. If you bring 7 children of various ages and needs into the mix with both adults having different agendas then you have a recipe for chaos. It's always been the elephant in the room that you both chose to ignore. Love simply does not conquer all, children, finances, distance are vital foundations.

I can't imagine how hard it must have been to leave an abusive relationship with tiny children but the rock you clung to feel secure isn't right for you.

I think your partner has also tried to heal his grief by taking on a much younger woman who obviously needed care but your connection wasn't based in reality. To be fair I think he should have been the one to back away first because he has the experience of bringing up children so knows the difficulties. I guess the appeal of a much younger woman overrode his senses.

How do you feel if you think about being single? Does it terrify you?

Onthedunes · 10/07/2021 20:01

@Fireflygal

Very good posts.

KerryBer · 14/07/2021 20:23

I also don't think he is ready for serious relationships. He feels good the way it is. If you want to have a new partner (maybe a husband in the future), I guess, it is better to break up and move on. There are many possibilities on the Internet. My cousin, F, 40, has recently got married to a man she met on best dating sites for over 50 canada about a year ago, though she was always skeptical about online dating. Life is really unpredictable.

logincard · 14/07/2021 20:50

I’m about your boyfriends age and there is NO WAY I would take on 4 children under 7 … just no way.

I love kids, but raising them is hard hard work and I want some time for me.

Move on if living with someone is really important to you …

newnortherner111 · 14/07/2021 21:14

I worked for a long time with someone in a relationship (and still is) with someone with children, who were young when they first met and both single. They don't live together, but even now the children are at university, still keep separate houses and do things such as holidays and days/evenings out together.

Is that something that you could imagine doing, sort of continuing as you are? If not, then I think time to call an end to the relationship.

Rudeppl · 15/07/2021 04:13

I’m sorry but you are just too much baggage. What person near retirement age is going to want to want to take on 4 children under the age of 7? I’m sorry but that is the truth. Stop wasting your time on this man.

Woodswoman · 15/07/2021 05:38

Can’t you integrate your lives more without fully combining them? There’s no reason you can’t meet and spend time with each other’s children as the boyfriend/girlfriend, all go on holiday together, do weekends there with the kids, etc, is there? Your kids can know him as mummy’s boyfriend, without having to move in and gave him as stepdad. And his kids can accept him having a girlfriend and be at his house at the same time as you and maybe your kids too.
That should give you more time together, and maybe more travel and adventures, without needing to go the whole hog and move in.
Have you even met each others kids yet?

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