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In a relationship with older man. Want to move in. Can you advise?

142 replies

Takeneback · 08/07/2021 16:56

I’m F, 37 years old, divorced single mother with 4 DC under 7 from previous abusive marriage. I live in London. I have been in a relationship with a man who is 55, widowed, has 3 university age DC who do not live with him but come home for the holidays and he lives an hour away from London by train. We have been together 2.5 years. He has met my DC and I have met his, but it’s been as “friends,” and we have not done overnights with any of the DC around.

I have full custody of my children, I work full time and earn well and the DC spend every other weekend with my dparents and a Nanny. The way our relationship has worked so far is I have been working from home and fitting in school runs and seeing a lot of DC during the day, then DP will come up and stay in a hotel in London and see me 2 days and evenings a week for drinks, dinner and fun (in his hotel.) Then on the weekends where my parents have the DC, I travel down to his and spend the weekend with him.

Since his DW died (5 years ago while his youngest was doing GCSEs) he has not wanted to introduce them to anyone officially until they have properly “flown the nest.” Lockdown, like with many people, has affected our relationship in that his DC came back to live at home through all the lockdowns and have been using it as a base to come and go since then, which has made for a few heated discussions about how I fit in.

I’ve got to the point where I would like us to live together and be together properly. He and I have a holiday booked later in the summer and had agreed to discuss how this might work – emotionally, financially, officially (whether we should think about getting married) and most importantly in relation to the DC. DP has always made it clear he is anxious about the idea of “taking on 4 DC” and not yet decided If he wants to do that. He is somebody who takes child raising seriously and has shouldered the parenting of his 3 DC since their mother’s death and has always used it as a reason to hold back on the next stage of our relationship. He has said he likes things as they are.

Last week DP got really drunk during the England match (we were not physically together at the time) and started whatsapping me very loving messages. It was all very nice then he started saying things like “it scares me so much taking on (DC’s names) but I want to live with you and wake up next to you every morning, so we should just do it. I am all in. I want to wake up with you every day, I don’t know what else will work.” Lots and lots of messages like this. I replied and told him not to talk about it when drunk but he became very insistent that he was full steam ahead and I should be too.

We saw each other yesterday and he was very sheepish about it, avoiding the question and just saying he got a bit drunk and carried away and we should talk about it later in the summer “as planned.” I had been so happy this week thinking it might finally happen so had it out with him and we had a proper talk about it.

Basically his reservations are as follows:

He can only do all or nothing with the DC. If we live together he is not going to pretend they are not in the house or take a step back from being involved, he is going to commit to parenting them because that is the person that he is. But it is the thought of that which is most scary. He will be 70 by the time they are properly grown up, he will get too old very quickly to parent young DC. He keeps saying “I don’t know if I can do that again.”
He said “I earn good money now, but I do not “have” a lot of money. I will need to retire at some point and your life is going to be expensive as you will want to send DC to university and higher education and give them lots of opportunities.”

He worries that he will get erectile dysfunction and not be able to keep me happy sexually (I already know he secretly takes Viagra, but he does not know I know.) He worries that he will suffer from poor health and that will be a burden on me.

He worries about introducing 4 new young DC to the house he lives and lived in (including bedrooms etc) with his dw and DC as if they (his DC) are being immediately replaced.

He wants to be able to have fun with me, celebrate his freedom and grown up kids, travel and have experiences and take opportunities. He sees this working better with him living alone and then me joining him for adventures. But then he appreciates I am at a different stage of life and doesn’t want to lose me.

I have honestly never been happier or had more fun than in this relationship. But I am also very insecure and I can’t tell if I am dealing with bog standard commitment phobia or whether what he is saying makes perfect sense. There is a part of me that is very romantic and just feels that if you want to make it work, you find a way to make it work.

Can anybody help with opinions or advice?

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Mintjulia · 08/07/2021 18:34

OP, also bear in mind that teenagers go to University and then they often COME BACK.

His dcs could reappear repeatedly over the next 10 years and expect home to be as they remember it. How will you cope with that?

My advice would be don't. He doesn't sound like he wants to, and it could make you all very unhappy.

At least let him come to you, rather than the other way round.

HeReWeGoAgAiN1112 · 08/07/2021 18:48

I think it’s all been said OP. He’s been honest and doesn’t want to move in and become a step parent to your children, and that is completely fair enough.
I think you either have to accept this is a casual and fun thing only, or move on

dane8 · 08/07/2021 18:48

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CaptSkippy · 08/07/2021 18:49

DP has always made it clear he is anxious about the idea of “taking on 4 DC” and not yet decided If he wants to do that

Believe him. If he wanted to he would have done it already. I would not put much stock in the fantasy ramblings of a drunk person. Watch how they act when they are sober. He does not want to commit.

Elys3 · 08/07/2021 18:49

I am going to say that it could work, it really depends on what you both want. Cowbells has it.

Gilda152 · 08/07/2021 18:50

He sounds incredibly sensible and sensitive (in a good way). I too agree with PP that you are at very different points in your life. You're having great fun with this guy, why fix what isn't broken?

I have a friend who is in his 60's dating a woman in her mid 40's with a 15 year old boy. His two children are in their late 20's/30's now. There's no way he wants to take on a younger child of his partner and I get it on so many levels, I wouldn't want to either. So they just date and enjoy life - seems like a great idea to me.

Monr0e · 08/07/2021 19:01

I think he is making perfect sense.

Regardless of his age, he is still dad to his 3 dc and that is there home. I'm presuming moving your 4 children would be taking over their bedrooms imagine? I imagine they would feel extremely pushed out if their dad did this.

Likewise, how do you think your 4 dc's would feel being essentially moved in with a ready made dad who is practically a stranger?

It definitely feels like you are pushing aside the best interests of all the dc for your own wants

GoodbyePorpoiseSpit · 08/07/2021 19:01

4 under 7? Honestly, that’s daunting, I have four dc and I’m knackered. I can’t blame him for being reluctant to take them on....

LublinToDublin · 08/07/2021 19:07

If he lives out of London, but your life is London based, I presume he would have to move to be with you ? That's another massive ask with major implications for him and his dc.

I'm afraid I can see why he would baulk at the prospect. He is being honest.

FinallyHere · 08/07/2021 19:07

He can only do all or nothing with the DC

I would take this as a sign that he is not great at negotiating: it's his way or not. I don't think that would be good for your DC, they deserve to have you set boundaries for them and not anyone else

he secretly takes Viagra,

Again, he is not allowing you to make these decisions, or even be involved in the decision making.

What I look for in a partner is someone who lets me decide, or decide jointly. He doesn't seem to be like that.

I'd continue to enjoy the relationship without moving in together or getting married.

But then I married someone much older and am now at the point where it has a massive impact on what we can do together.

2bazookas · 08/07/2021 19:26

He's made it pretty clear he doesn't want you and the kids to move in.

Far from having "adventures" with you, he'd be committed to years of school runs and needing a babysitter ( and all the mess noise and hassle fo 4 young stepkids in his home.

Even in your limited time together, he already HAS erectile dysfunction (secret viagra) yet neither of you has been able to discuss it truthfully. In other words, you're not able to address a shared problem ; that emotional gap and lack of trust is a real red flag to me.

   He is being very realistic about what moving in would do to your  relationship and I'm afraid he's right.  That you can't see it, is worrying.
mynameisbrian · 08/07/2021 19:53

My DH has a terminal illness and when he goes and I might end up in a relationship (furthest from my mind) there is absolutley no way I would be bringing a man and his DC into my DC home. This is there safe place and I would not be destroying that. He seems to be of the same mind set and I agree with him.

layladomino · 08/07/2021 19:56

Quite shocked at the 'heated discussions' because his children came to live in their own home (which will continue to be their home for some time I imagine) whilst at the same time as not understanding why he wouldn't want to take on your 4 children!

I am a simiar age to him and I can think of nothing worse than having small children around the house again. Although young adult children can bring much more serious worries and concerns, you do get to enjoy their company as adults, and to do what you want with your time whilst enjoying supporting them as they hopefully flourish. Very few people in their 50s would want to have small children in the house again (unless they are GC visiting!) and I fear if you lived together it wouldn't last long.

You say you are a romantic. Then if I were you I would continue to enjoy the romance because it would be far from romantic if you all lived together!

isthismylifenow · 08/07/2021 20:24

I am with your dp. He sounds very honest and sensible.

This changes his life more that it does yours I'm sorry to say.

I am not far off his age and I don't think I would choose to live with and raise 4 young children again after having raised my own.

I don't know what the answer is. Perhaps to just carry on as you are.

Notmoresugar · 08/07/2021 20:29

It's difficult enough bringing up your own children, so why on god's earth would he want to bring up 4 under 7s when he's in his 50s!
It would be hell on earth at his age (something you can't appreciate when you're 37) and if I was him I wouldn't contemplate it.

Sloaneslone · 08/07/2021 20:40

This has disaster written all over it.

His kids, still live at home alot of the time.

Are you really suggesting you and yours kids rock up and take over their home? Or is it going to you, him and 7 kids?

And why would you have a heated discussion about where you fit in because his uni age children are at their home. They are adults, he doesn't need to work childcare in to see you. Or do you mean you have been annoyed you can't go see him for the weekend?

In all honesty, I am not even 40 I couldn't take on 4 under 7s. My kids are older, one is nearly an adult and I couldn't imagine having 4 younger kids around all the time.

He is telling you really clearly. You like him. Either accept the relationship is, what it is. Or move on.

finkirt · 08/07/2021 21:21

I don't think this will work. Keep things as they are. Enjoy yourselves but don't merge your households.

AlternativePerspective · 08/07/2021 21:45

I may be flamed for this, but tbh I think it’s unrealistic to expect anyone to want to be in a serious relationship with someone who has 4 kids under 7. Regardless of their age.

The reality here is that this bloke is older, has already brought up his kids, and doesn’t want to do it again. I don’t blame him, and it’s far better that he admits this is just a bit of fun than stringing you along with promises of a future he doesn’t want.

To be brutally honest I would just continue having fun for now, and look at serious relationship stuff in a few years time, maybe even when your kids are older/have left home.

Amotherlife · 08/07/2021 21:47

I'm older than him. My kids are late teens, early twenties. No way would I want to take on dependent children- been there, done that. But I also don't see them moving out any time soon and that's fine. We have a big house and plenty of room. I have a lot more freedom to do my own thing than I had a few years back. Frankly, the drive to bring up kids has left me. I am perfectly fit and so are all my friends and family of a similar age and older. He is at the stage where life is opening up again and he has the freedom for "adventures". That doesn't include being tied down by young children.

To be honest, it sounds like you have a great set up with adult time, romance and sex. Even if he were younger, I'd suggest keeping things as they are, rather than getting tied into another marriage.

If that's what you want though, find a man more your own age without children - though I can't imagine many people being willing to take on 4 children anyway.

If your guy is happy with things as they are, it's maybe best for you to enjoy what you have.

WeatherSystems · 08/07/2021 21:53

@AlternativePerspective

I may be flamed for this, but tbh I think it’s unrealistic to expect anyone to want to be in a serious relationship with someone who has 4 kids under 7. Regardless of their age.

The reality here is that this bloke is older, has already brought up his kids, and doesn’t want to do it again. I don’t blame him, and it’s far better that he admits this is just a bit of fun than stringing you along with promises of a future he doesn’t want.

To be brutally honest I would just continue having fun for now, and look at serious relationship stuff in a few years time, maybe even when your kids are older/have left home.

There’s nothing here that requires flaming. You’re right. The rare person might agree to take on a brood but this man isn’t that person. He has his hands full. It’s refreshing I admit to see a relationship conducted where he’s honest about what he can and can’t offer.
KatySun · 08/07/2021 21:56

I am sorry, but you have a relationship which relies on your parents and a nanny making time for you to see your DP. With four DC under seven, really, they are your priority. As someone upthread said, he sounds a bit his way or the highway with the all or nothing patenting, and your DC have had enough trauma. I wouldn’t go there, much less push someone who is expressing valid reservations into it. Prioritise your DC until they are a lot older and don’t try make them adjust to a whole new set-up again, honestly.

PerveenMistry · 08/07/2021 22:03

I can't blame him. Four under 7 at age 55 is insane.

I think the age difference will grow more significant as time wears on. Do you want to be with a 70-year-old when you are 50? My sister's friend did, the man had a stroke in March and friend has to clean him when he uses the toilet. No more travel; he's confined to a wheelchair in their rural home.

Is there some reason you just can't enjoy the status quo for a while?

GettingItOutThere · 08/07/2021 22:09

I think you have 2 choices;

Keep things as they are until your kids are old enough to move out/uni/independent.

End it if you want more, as he is telling you he does not want to parent.

I would go with the first option, what is wrong with living apart? Works for a lot of people

Fastforwardtospring · 08/07/2021 22:14

I don’t understand why you would want to move into a dead women’s home, I’ve never understood why my step mother thought it was ok to move herself and her DC into ours, I’d gone back to live at home when my DM sadly died, and promptly moved out when DF announced step mother was moving in. I now realise he had another life with her and her kids, something we his older DC weren’t part of, not only had we lost our mother, we’d lost him and our home. I get that he was young enough to have another relationship but surely there are ways of going about it so you do not alienate his older DC. Either stay as you are or move into a home which is yours and his, not his dead wife’s.

Imcatmum · 08/07/2021 22:15

4 kids under 7, actually 4 kids under 5 (which is what you had when you got together) is TOUGH. I had that. And no way in the world I would ever want any part of that hell if they weren't my own kids. It would be someone very very rare who would accept 4 young kids suddenly in their life and home. I think OP that having a casual boyfriend is what works now considering your kids and work need to be your priority. Sometimes we don't get things the exact way we want them but that doesn't mean it can't still be good.