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In a relationship with older man. Want to move in. Can you advise?

142 replies

Takeneback · 08/07/2021 16:56

I’m F, 37 years old, divorced single mother with 4 DC under 7 from previous abusive marriage. I live in London. I have been in a relationship with a man who is 55, widowed, has 3 university age DC who do not live with him but come home for the holidays and he lives an hour away from London by train. We have been together 2.5 years. He has met my DC and I have met his, but it’s been as “friends,” and we have not done overnights with any of the DC around.

I have full custody of my children, I work full time and earn well and the DC spend every other weekend with my dparents and a Nanny. The way our relationship has worked so far is I have been working from home and fitting in school runs and seeing a lot of DC during the day, then DP will come up and stay in a hotel in London and see me 2 days and evenings a week for drinks, dinner and fun (in his hotel.) Then on the weekends where my parents have the DC, I travel down to his and spend the weekend with him.

Since his DW died (5 years ago while his youngest was doing GCSEs) he has not wanted to introduce them to anyone officially until they have properly “flown the nest.” Lockdown, like with many people, has affected our relationship in that his DC came back to live at home through all the lockdowns and have been using it as a base to come and go since then, which has made for a few heated discussions about how I fit in.

I’ve got to the point where I would like us to live together and be together properly. He and I have a holiday booked later in the summer and had agreed to discuss how this might work – emotionally, financially, officially (whether we should think about getting married) and most importantly in relation to the DC. DP has always made it clear he is anxious about the idea of “taking on 4 DC” and not yet decided If he wants to do that. He is somebody who takes child raising seriously and has shouldered the parenting of his 3 DC since their mother’s death and has always used it as a reason to hold back on the next stage of our relationship. He has said he likes things as they are.

Last week DP got really drunk during the England match (we were not physically together at the time) and started whatsapping me very loving messages. It was all very nice then he started saying things like “it scares me so much taking on (DC’s names) but I want to live with you and wake up next to you every morning, so we should just do it. I am all in. I want to wake up with you every day, I don’t know what else will work.” Lots and lots of messages like this. I replied and told him not to talk about it when drunk but he became very insistent that he was full steam ahead and I should be too.

We saw each other yesterday and he was very sheepish about it, avoiding the question and just saying he got a bit drunk and carried away and we should talk about it later in the summer “as planned.” I had been so happy this week thinking it might finally happen so had it out with him and we had a proper talk about it.

Basically his reservations are as follows:

He can only do all or nothing with the DC. If we live together he is not going to pretend they are not in the house or take a step back from being involved, he is going to commit to parenting them because that is the person that he is. But it is the thought of that which is most scary. He will be 70 by the time they are properly grown up, he will get too old very quickly to parent young DC. He keeps saying “I don’t know if I can do that again.”
He said “I earn good money now, but I do not “have” a lot of money. I will need to retire at some point and your life is going to be expensive as you will want to send DC to university and higher education and give them lots of opportunities.”

He worries that he will get erectile dysfunction and not be able to keep me happy sexually (I already know he secretly takes Viagra, but he does not know I know.) He worries that he will suffer from poor health and that will be a burden on me.

He worries about introducing 4 new young DC to the house he lives and lived in (including bedrooms etc) with his dw and DC as if they (his DC) are being immediately replaced.

He wants to be able to have fun with me, celebrate his freedom and grown up kids, travel and have experiences and take opportunities. He sees this working better with him living alone and then me joining him for adventures. But then he appreciates I am at a different stage of life and doesn’t want to lose me.

I have honestly never been happier or had more fun than in this relationship. But I am also very insecure and I can’t tell if I am dealing with bog standard commitment phobia or whether what he is saying makes perfect sense. There is a part of me that is very romantic and just feels that if you want to make it work, you find a way to make it work.

Can anybody help with opinions or advice?

OP posts:
EveryoneIsThere · 09/07/2021 00:40

I’d carry on as you are.

TheFoundations · 09/07/2021 00:48

He wants to be able to have fun with me, celebrate his freedom and grown up kids, travel and have experiences and take opportunities

He has openly told you what he wants. You want something different. Incompatible.

Also, doesn't the 'Gushing misleading statements because drunk' turn you off? I mean, he wasn't saying 'Let's commit and get a goldfish together!' - he was spouting bollocks about something vitally important to you and your relationship.

YeokensYegg · 09/07/2021 00:53

It's good he's being honest.
He's done the small child years of parenting and doesn't want to do it again.
I don't blame him. I wouldn't do it either.
That's the problem with men going after drastically younger women. I get it's a big ego stroke but at some point they have to realise they're in different life stages and many younger women want a family lifestyle.
There are men out there that really enjoy the family and kids life a lot. If that's what you're after, you'll need to move on from your current bf.

PerveenMistry · 09/07/2021 00:54

@Puffalicious

OP I can see both sides.

I met DH when I had 2 DC, 3.5 and 5.5. It was a huge undertaking for him. We wanted to be together and moved in 18 months later. But I won't pretend it wasn't bloody hard work. It is down to the wonderful person he is that it's worked. He was very prepared to parent (in a supportive role to me and the boys' father) and I have an excellent exH with no issues, but still it was hard. Navigating parenting is difficult. He was 38 when he moved in, me 39 and he had no other children. 11 years later I definitely think these days he would struggle enormously. So, I'm saying like many other PP, I can see why he wants things to remain as they are.

My friend had a relationship for 2.5 years. He moved in with her and her teenage daughter. It didn't work at all. However, she thought laterally and for the past 2.5 years he has had his own place and their relationship is as strong as ever. She prefers to see him part of the week- being able to give her daughter everything she needs and have her own space as well as having a relationship without the stresses of parenting issues/ the daily grind. It really, really works for them.

There are many ways to be happy.

Your friend is very wise.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 09/07/2021 01:01

Beer Goggles got the better of his sensible head.

userrnamemn · 09/07/2021 01:04

I think it’s very clear he’s committed to you, but not able to commit to taking on 4 FT young children. I don’t think that is unreasonable of him either taking into consideration the feelings of his own children, his age, and that he lost his wife and mother of his children.

I don’t know why you can’t explore him being more involved with your children, without him having to live with you full time? Why can’t you take it slowly, and him stay over a couple of times a month? Why does it have to be all or nothing?

TheFoundations · 09/07/2021 01:06

@EveryoneIsThere

I’d carry on as you are.
So, without what she wants?
EccentricaGalumbits · 09/07/2021 01:17

At his stage of life he'll also be (or should be) thinking about protecting his assets for retirement and his childrens' inheritance.

You, your kids and any more kids you're still young enough to have, present a huge risk to that if the relationship moves forward. He's unlikely to want to spell that out to you but I have no doubt it's playing on his mind.

Farwest · 09/07/2021 01:45

I think you need to let go of the expectation that you will move in with a man who will become a fabulous and supportive stepdad to four young children. I just think that this is an unlikely outcome. It COULD happen (though not with this guy), but I can't think that many people - male or female - would be up for that gig. Or do a good job of it even if they were willing to try.

You have a grown-up relationship with a fellow adult. You see each other for sex and companionship and keep your complex family lives seperate. It makes you happy. This is entirely sensible. It doesn't need to 'go' anywhere as long as you can both be happy with what you have together.

I would not suggest to him that you move in. In fact, I cannot believe you would consider doing that to your dc. And yourself.

You have a boyfriend rather than a partner. Can you be happy that? Can he? Sit down with him and talk about how you can maintain a relationship longterm given both of your circumstances.

He sounds like an honest man who is taking the prospect of stepdadding with the seriousness it deserves. Listen to him.

Miffyliffy · 09/07/2021 04:29

He very much enjoys your routine shag sessions.

He doesn't want to live with you and definitely doesn't want to take on your children.

Actions speak louder than words.

You've put 2.5 years into a FWB essentially, I wouldn't call it a relationship at all.

Probably not what you want to hear but if he wanted you to live with him he would of done it a long time ago.

Please don't waste anymore time

Michaelangelo467 · 09/07/2021 04:44

He wants a girlfriend. Just someone for fun and sex. He’s been very honest about it.

Do you want a boyfriend just for fun and sex? That’s your answer.

Nicolastuffedone · 09/07/2021 05:16

I think he’s right. I wouldn’t take on 4 kids at 55. He’s at an age where he should have more freedom to travel etc. His children have flown the nest, why would he want to do it all over again?

Clymene · 09/07/2021 05:37

Why would you uproot 4 small children who've already been through a traumatic time? Your kids should be your priority

Zerogravity · 09/07/2021 05:57

Some of the most successful relationships among people I know are exactly the set up you have now. Tbh if it's not broken, I wouldn't try and fix it.

unstabletoddler · 09/07/2021 05:59

It's not really a relationship is it. You meet up for sex and have nothing to do with each other's every day lives.

Please don't move a man in with your kids that they hardly know and allow him to suddenly start acting like their parent. Put them first and focus on them.

Zerogravity · 09/07/2021 05:59

You've put 2.5 years into a FWB essentially, I wouldn't call it a relationship at all.
What?? Why not? You don't need to live with someone to have a relationship.

EccentricaGalumbits · 09/07/2021 06:00

@Miffyliffy

He very much enjoys your routine shag sessions.

He doesn't want to live with you and definitely doesn't want to take on your children.

Actions speak louder than words.

You've put 2.5 years into a FWB essentially, I wouldn't call it a relationship at all.

Probably not what you want to hear but if he wanted you to live with him he would of done it a long time ago.

Please don't waste anymore time

That's really unkind, and you can't possibly know it's true.

It's possible to really love someone, see them 100% as your partner and want them in your lives, without living with them or being able to live with them in the short/medium term.

Living together doesn't always have to be the end goal, nor is it proof that a relationship is real, especially when there are children to think about.

Grimsknee · 09/07/2021 06:04

"There is a part of me that is very romantic and just feels that if you want to make it work, you find a way to make it work"
In the kindest way, this is wishful thinking. Even if he were keen as mustard, yyou couldnt just make it work by wanting it to work. Blending a family needs to be done carefully and thoughtfully (read the step parenting board). It's like planning a complex military operation where the troops need emotional care as well as physical care!. Yours is doubly complex given you and he are at different life stages and you have seven children from 2 different generations. Triply complex given traumatic events in all the children's recent past.
What you've got now sounds really romantic, why not try and enjoy it for a few years?

warmfluffytowels · 09/07/2021 06:28

Sorry OP but he doesn't want to live with you - he's made that crystal clear but you're not listening.

He's 55, widowed and his kids are semi-independent adults. You have four young children and had only recently left an abusive relationship when you met. Those two things just aren't compatible with living together I'm afraid.

lunar1 · 09/07/2021 06:46

Uni students are highly likely to come home when they graduate. It's not easy to walk into a job that means they can afford to live independently unless they are all medical/dental students and all carry on house sharing with friends.

Their bedrooms still need to be their bedrooms for a significant number of years. How many completely unused rooms does he have?

Lanique · 09/07/2021 06:57

Op nothing will destroy the glamour of your current relationship, which seems to have so far taken the form of an extended mini break, to suddenly being holed up into the drudgery of everyday life with seven other young people, many of whom are pretty pissed off at the situation they are in.

Either enjoy it for what it is, or find someone who is at the same stage of life as you. And even then proceed with caution, because all children involved must come first.

Weebleweeble · 09/07/2021 07:08

4 DC under 7 is a lot for anyone these days, as a DGP I would say don't do it.
Wait until yours are older and be a 'friend' to DP for a few more years, gradually meet his DCs, and if then a few years down the line, he can cope with your DCs and his DCs accept you, get together.

I can't imagine being at uni and my DParent announcing that someone with 4 small kids was moving in - devastating!

PiccalilliChilli · 09/07/2021 07:21

I disagree with PP you can have a meaningful relationship living apart.

I think focusing on what's best for the DC is the right thing to do. Your DP has been honest, he's done with child rearing. You are financially independent with good support. Keep your independence.

Sloaneslone · 09/07/2021 07:35

@PiccalilliChilli

I disagree with PP you can have a meaningful relationship living apart.

I think focusing on what's best for the DC is the right thing to do. Your DP has been honest, he's done with child rearing. You are financially independent with good support. Keep your independence.

I do agree with this. I don't think you have to live together for it to be a good, meaningful relationship.

Sometimes people's situations are that it's just simply better to have 2 houses. Sometimes it's just prolles preferences.

I think if me and dp split up, I would do the same.

itsaccrualworld · 09/07/2021 07:40

I've changed my opinion over time. I think there are sometimes valid reasons to have separate households. This seems like that kind of situation.

Living apart doesn't mean not being committed to each other, if that's what you want. I think it's good he's thinking about his DC's feelings, and that he's upfront about his limitations.

OP, he's told you what he can offer. Only you can decide if that's enough. Is living together an absolute dealbreaker?

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