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In a relationship with older man. Want to move in. Can you advise?

142 replies

Takeneback · 08/07/2021 16:56

I’m F, 37 years old, divorced single mother with 4 DC under 7 from previous abusive marriage. I live in London. I have been in a relationship with a man who is 55, widowed, has 3 university age DC who do not live with him but come home for the holidays and he lives an hour away from London by train. We have been together 2.5 years. He has met my DC and I have met his, but it’s been as “friends,” and we have not done overnights with any of the DC around.

I have full custody of my children, I work full time and earn well and the DC spend every other weekend with my dparents and a Nanny. The way our relationship has worked so far is I have been working from home and fitting in school runs and seeing a lot of DC during the day, then DP will come up and stay in a hotel in London and see me 2 days and evenings a week for drinks, dinner and fun (in his hotel.) Then on the weekends where my parents have the DC, I travel down to his and spend the weekend with him.

Since his DW died (5 years ago while his youngest was doing GCSEs) he has not wanted to introduce them to anyone officially until they have properly “flown the nest.” Lockdown, like with many people, has affected our relationship in that his DC came back to live at home through all the lockdowns and have been using it as a base to come and go since then, which has made for a few heated discussions about how I fit in.

I’ve got to the point where I would like us to live together and be together properly. He and I have a holiday booked later in the summer and had agreed to discuss how this might work – emotionally, financially, officially (whether we should think about getting married) and most importantly in relation to the DC. DP has always made it clear he is anxious about the idea of “taking on 4 DC” and not yet decided If he wants to do that. He is somebody who takes child raising seriously and has shouldered the parenting of his 3 DC since their mother’s death and has always used it as a reason to hold back on the next stage of our relationship. He has said he likes things as they are.

Last week DP got really drunk during the England match (we were not physically together at the time) and started whatsapping me very loving messages. It was all very nice then he started saying things like “it scares me so much taking on (DC’s names) but I want to live with you and wake up next to you every morning, so we should just do it. I am all in. I want to wake up with you every day, I don’t know what else will work.” Lots and lots of messages like this. I replied and told him not to talk about it when drunk but he became very insistent that he was full steam ahead and I should be too.

We saw each other yesterday and he was very sheepish about it, avoiding the question and just saying he got a bit drunk and carried away and we should talk about it later in the summer “as planned.” I had been so happy this week thinking it might finally happen so had it out with him and we had a proper talk about it.

Basically his reservations are as follows:

He can only do all or nothing with the DC. If we live together he is not going to pretend they are not in the house or take a step back from being involved, he is going to commit to parenting them because that is the person that he is. But it is the thought of that which is most scary. He will be 70 by the time they are properly grown up, he will get too old very quickly to parent young DC. He keeps saying “I don’t know if I can do that again.”
He said “I earn good money now, but I do not “have” a lot of money. I will need to retire at some point and your life is going to be expensive as you will want to send DC to university and higher education and give them lots of opportunities.”

He worries that he will get erectile dysfunction and not be able to keep me happy sexually (I already know he secretly takes Viagra, but he does not know I know.) He worries that he will suffer from poor health and that will be a burden on me.

He worries about introducing 4 new young DC to the house he lives and lived in (including bedrooms etc) with his dw and DC as if they (his DC) are being immediately replaced.

He wants to be able to have fun with me, celebrate his freedom and grown up kids, travel and have experiences and take opportunities. He sees this working better with him living alone and then me joining him for adventures. But then he appreciates I am at a different stage of life and doesn’t want to lose me.

I have honestly never been happier or had more fun than in this relationship. But I am also very insecure and I can’t tell if I am dealing with bog standard commitment phobia or whether what he is saying makes perfect sense. There is a part of me that is very romantic and just feels that if you want to make it work, you find a way to make it work.

Can anybody help with opinions or advice?

OP posts:
PerveenMistry · 08/07/2021 22:17

@AlternativePerspective

I may be flamed for this, but tbh I think it’s unrealistic to expect anyone to want to be in a serious relationship with someone who has 4 kids under 7. Regardless of their age.

The reality here is that this bloke is older, has already brought up his kids, and doesn’t want to do it again. I don’t blame him, and it’s far better that he admits this is just a bit of fun than stringing you along with promises of a future he doesn’t want.

To be brutally honest I would just continue having fun for now, and look at serious relationship stuff in a few years time, maybe even when your kids are older/have left home.

Exactly. Even if he were 40 it's a big ask.

Sunnyday321 · 08/07/2021 22:18

Can I ask if you have been together 2.5 years and you have 4 dc under 7 , how old was your youngest dc when you got together ? Using my maths , you had 4 dc under 4.5 years old when you met !

Lan2020 · 08/07/2021 22:20

I'm sorry but I have to echo what others have said, I really don't think it will work.

To me, it sounds as though he cares for you and possibly would want to live with you if the children were not a factor. As others have said 4 children under 7 are a lot for anyone to take on at any age and would have a huge impact on the other person's life.

You aren't compatible, you are at completely different stages of your lives. My partner is 18 years older than me (me 33, him 51) but we are at similar life stages, both had a child each of a similar age and wanted another child.

Qt the end of the day, your children will always be there and he's already made it clear he doesn't want to take them on. If you want a committed relationship and someone to live with, you'd be better off ending the relationship and meeting someone with similar life goals.

PerveenMistry · 08/07/2021 22:20

@Imcatmum

4 kids under 7, actually 4 kids under 5 (which is what you had when you got together) is TOUGH. I had that. And no way in the world I would ever want any part of that hell if they weren't my own kids. It would be someone very very rare who would accept 4 young kids suddenly in their life and home. I think OP that having a casual boyfriend is what works now considering your kids and work need to be your priority. Sometimes we don't get things the exact way we want them but that doesn't mean it can't still be good.

Great points.

OP must've recently exited the abusive relationship when she began seeing this fellow.

Having fun, pampering and sex while still left with ample space to manage kids and career would sound like a dream come true to many single mothers.

lunar1 · 08/07/2021 22:21

Why did you have heated discussions about his children coming home during lockdown?

mswales · 08/07/2021 22:22

I think he sounds lovely and honest and reasonable. It's a really tricky situation for you both. Good luck.

RowanAlong · 08/07/2021 22:24

He’s being honest. He’s got grown up children - completely understandable he doesn’t want to do it all again, taking on four kids kids under seven!

PerveenMistry · 08/07/2021 22:29

@lunar1

Why did you have heated discussions about his children coming home during lockdown?
I wondered that, too.
MichelleScarn · 08/07/2021 22:36

@RowanAlong

He’s being honest. He’s got grown up children - completely understandable he doesn’t want to do it all again, taking on four kids kids under seven!
I know! 4 under 7 and you've been together 2.5 years? Is there a set of twins in there as am assuming if youngest is at least 3, then others are 4 5 and 6? That sounds exhausting!
TwoBoysTooMany76 · 08/07/2021 22:47

My boyfriend has no DCs. Actively chose not to have any. I have two and they are 11 and 13. Over Christmas, he spent a couple of weeks with us. Even with the kids being at their Dad’s for about 40% of the time, he found family life too stressful.

I don’t blame him and my DCs are pretty self-sufficient and ‘easy’ though the teen can be a bit of hard work sometimes! We’ve decided to minimise the time he spends with my DCs and I am perfectly happy with that. They have a Dad who is actively involved. I adore my boyfriend and he adores me too. We spend most of the time my DCs are with their Dad together. Yes there are times we wish we could be together more but having been married and watch it crumble, I know how ‘familiarity can breed contempt’.

You are financially independent. Have a think about why you want to get married other than it being a ‘romantic ideal’. It makes sense before you have children and the woman has to take a career break. It offers protection. But getting married later in life when there are two different sets of DCs and no children in common just bring complications! Of course I do know being a spouse offers you the legal right to make certain decisions when it comes to life and death etc but is that really necessary at this point?

Luckily my boyfriend is not the marrying kind either though I know he would like us to move in together at some point but I would consider it in a few years. But not right now. And he knows that. Just enjoy the dating and romance! He’s been honest with you. I really can’t see it ending well if you all moved in with him…

Oblomov21 · 08/07/2021 23:00

This is a Shame. I can't see how it can work.
Fuck no. I wouldn't take on 4 kids under 7. I'm late 40's and enjoying teaching teen ds's to drive. Can't wait for them to go to uni so Dh and I can go on sandals holidays. Wink

Whywouldibeinterested · 08/07/2021 23:06

I am a widower a couple of years younger and with children a few years younger than your OH

You are at Completely different life stages,
No way would i live with pre teens again. I’ll retire in a few years and want to be foot loose and fancy free with adult children who can look after themselves

Nor will i merge finances by marrying again.

He is not unreasonable and nor are you but sadly in these circumstances age is far, far more than just a number

quizqueen · 08/07/2021 23:17

I don't think many people - men or women - would want to take on someone else's four ( young ) children, no matter what their age but, when your own children are adults, why would you want to start again. Also, I never understand why someone goes on to have four children in an abusive relationship.

TaleOfTheContinents · 08/07/2021 23:28

I definitely understand where he's coming from but it sounds like he wants to have his cake and eat it. If you do keep things casual and don't live together, when he gets older and frailer, you'll probably feel obliged to stay around and support him. So he'd have kept his freedom, enjoyed an active love life, and then have someone by his side in old age - what's in that for you?

MobyDicksTinyCanoe · 08/07/2021 23:33

I think he's being extremely sensible and I don't blame him at all. Especially as your dc are so young.

Cocogreen · 08/07/2021 23:39

I would keep the relationship as it is.
His children are still coming and going and all I see is disaster if you moved in with your children.
I'm a little older than your partner and the idea of four small children moving in with me and my adult children gives me the horrors.

PerveenMistry · 08/07/2021 23:43

@TaleOfTheContinents

I definitely understand where he's coming from but it sounds like he wants to have his cake and eat it. If you do keep things casual and don't live together, when he gets older and frailer, you'll probably feel obliged to stay around and support him. So he'd have kept his freedom, enjoyed an active love life, and then have someone by his side in old age - what's in that for you?

Frankly an attractive, kind, solvent, baggage-free and considerate single man in his mid-50s is going to have pick of the litter down to women in their early 30s. I don't think fear of being alone is what keeps him with OP.

SleepingStandingUp · 08/07/2021 23:50

So your kids don't even know you have a bf and you intend to just move them into this strangers house, ta da, new family!! ?

Does he even have enough extra space or are you expecting to scare off his kids so they never stop over?

OliviaNewtAndJohn · 08/07/2021 23:52

Regrettably it sounds like the timing and stage of life for you guys is just not workable in the practical sense, no matter how strongly you feel as a romantic couple. You’ve done amazingly well to be financially independent, working successfully, raising four very young children without their dad (it seems), and have given the time and commitment to nurturing a new relationship. He has done amazingly well to have got his three DCs to uni, despite losing his wife/kids losing their mother. But the timing doesn’t match and your responsibilities would be a huge burden for him to share in, when he has his own dependents. I don’t see it being mutually workable unless you take a very long view and continue as you are until all his are working and independent, and yours are +5 years older. Both your hearts seem to crave the togetherness, but evidently the practicalities are preying on both your minds. Flowers

CandyLeBonBon · 08/07/2021 23:53

I'm with the others op. There are too many hurdles to make this work. Stick to dating.

1WildFlower · 09/07/2021 00:00

Carry on as you are, don't move in together. It will not work well for anyone. As the kids get older you might be able to spend more time together, such as all visit him for the weekend and vice versa but then you can return to your own home.

PersonaNonGarter · 09/07/2021 00:07

OP, this is clear to anyone looking in. He is at least being realistic, you are not.

Sorry to be harsh but 4 DC under 7 is too much to expect him to take on at this stage. It’s just so unrealistic. His own DC really need him as their one parent. He really doesn’t need to be absorbed by stepchildren.

It sounds like you have a fun and supportive relationship at the moment. Just leave it as is.

TalkingOutYerArse · 09/07/2021 00:21

You sound like a great mother and woman OP but if I'm being honest, I think with such young children and the gap in years between you and your partner, its just too much for the long haul. Carry on seeing him and have fun if it suits but I feel he has made his intentions clear sober and I cant see this relationship coming to a place you would like it to be.

Puffalicious · 09/07/2021 00:22

OP I can see both sides.

I met DH when I had 2 DC, 3.5 and 5.5. It was a huge undertaking for him. We wanted to be together and moved in 18 months later. But I won't pretend it wasn't bloody hard work. It is down to the wonderful person he is that it's worked. He was very prepared to parent (in a supportive role to me and the boys' father) and I have an excellent exH with no issues, but still it was hard. Navigating parenting is difficult. He was 38 when he moved in, me 39 and he had no other children. 11 years later I definitely think these days he would struggle enormously. So, I'm saying like many other PP, I can see why he wants things to remain as they are.

My friend had a relationship for 2.5 years. He moved in with her and her teenage daughter. It didn't work at all. However, she thought laterally and for the past 2.5 years he has had his own place and their relationship is as strong as ever. She prefers to see him part of the week- being able to give her daughter everything she needs and have her own space as well as having a relationship without the stresses of parenting issues/ the daily grind. It really, really works for them.

There are many ways to be happy.

AnotherKrampus · 09/07/2021 00:26

This far too much to expect from him.