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Ds(11) in a manipulative relationship. What to do?

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HandsInHair · 21/06/2021 23:02

My DS is 11 and skipped a year, meaning his classmates are mostly 12.
He is a sensitive and introverted boy. His dad and I recently got divorced and I moved out of the family home with his dsisters.
Since the beginning of may he has had a friendship with a girl in class that has very quickly turned very intense. They don't speak in person, it is all via text messages.
In theory, no problem, very cute. What is a problem is the intensity and the manipulation. All of a sudden my son is hurting himself, talking about suicide, not eating and wearing big jumpers in a heatwave.
I read their message conversation and it reads as if all thiese things are in reaction to her.
She is hurting herself, so he does too. She won't eat, so he doesn't either, etc. He packages it as if he are tying to 'help' her. As in, he won't eat until she does..
I know that there have been other incidents with other kids in their class. I contacted the mum of another boy who was best friends with her until she suddenly stopped and started a message group to bully the boy.
She is only a child so I am pretty sure she is not purposely trying to be manipulative, but I do believe she is troubled. And it is admirable my DS wants to help her. The trouble is thay he is also learning these manipulative behaviours. And he is hurting himself!

I am not sure what to do now. The school was involved in the previous incident(s). Do I involve them again? Do I invite her around?
I don't think forbidding contact is the way to go...

I have already called her parents to alert them to the suicide speak. In her messages she also says her father hurts her and she doesn't feel comfotable with him sexually. I have no idea what to do with that information.

Help me wise mumsnetters!!

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Hellocatshome · 25/06/2021 07:05

In her messages she also says her father hurts her and she doesn't feel comfotable with him sexually

In your OP you said she said he hurts her that is abuse. Why are you changing the story now?

reprehensibleme · 25/06/2021 07:42

Your son is 11 - he shouldn't have to be putting up with this stuff.

Take his phone away.

It is not your job to sort out issues with this girl - report to school, let them have copies of the texts. Let them deal with the safeguarding issues. It could be that this girl IS manipulative (she certainly is being manipulative towards your son)- it could be that she is manipulative because she is being abused and doesn't know how to deal with it. It's not your problem to sort out. Your responsibility is to your son, and an 11 year old shouldn't be dealing with stuff like this.

If he can't be separated from her at school, I would seriously consider pulling him out for the last 2-3 weeks so that you have a good 2 months to help him realise she isn't a friend, and he will be far better off away from her toxic influence.

Antiqueanniesmagiclanternshow · 25/06/2021 13:07

Please can you tell us what country you are in?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 25/06/2021 13:25

@HandsInHair

Also, she has not said in the message that her father is abusing her. She said that she doesn't feel comfortable around him.
No, you said he "hurts her".

Aka abuse.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 25/06/2021 13:26

And that she "doesn't feel comfortable around him sexually."

HandsInHair · 25/06/2021 14:02

@youvegottenminuteslynn

And that she "doesn't feel comfortable around him sexually."
Yes, and I have reported everything that I know. It is up to the professionals to do what is best.
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youvegottenminuteslynn · 25/06/2021 14:06

I'm just concerned as your description of what you've read has changed considerably. So I'm not sure which version you've told the school?

You now say "she has not said in the message that her father is abusing her. She said that she doesn't feel comfortable around him."

But before you said she did say he "hurt" her (which is abuse) and that she didn't feel comfortable around him "sexually" specifically.

Just concerned you've minimised what's been said which will change how it's dealt with.

HandsInHair · 25/06/2021 14:11

Thank you all for your help, especially those that did so from a caring and supporting place and didn't make me feel like a villain.

I don't think it is very useful for anyone for me to be responding to 'but you said xx or yy' so I won't anymore.

To anyone else who is dealing with something similar, I wish you a lot of strength. It has been a real shock to everyone involved, especially the children, but also to me. I am looking forward to some quality time with all my DC.

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HandsInHair · 25/06/2021 14:12

@youvegottenminuteslynn

I'm just concerned as your description of what you've read has changed considerably. So I'm not sure which version you've told the school?

You now say "she has not said in the message that her father is abusing her. She said that she doesn't feel comfortable around him."

But before you said she did say he "hurt" her (which is abuse) and that she didn't feel comfortable around him "sexually" specifically.

Just concerned you've minimised what's been said which will change how it's dealt with.

To put your mind at ease, I sent the school all the message they sent. Just the facts.
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Dontbeme · 25/06/2021 15:02

@Mountaingoatling

This is bs.
I really, genuinely hope it is, otherwise there is a vulnerable kid that adults are turning a blind eye to.
Blackbird2020 · 25/06/2021 15:05

What country are you in, OP?

Polkadots2021 · 25/06/2021 20:42

To be honest OP you're in a position of power over the little girl, deciding whether or not you believe she's being abused, deciding whether or not you think the family should be put through an investigation of some kind....that's not the power that is right for you to have. The little girl could be suffering terrible abuse and you are in a position to help, so you need to report this immediately.

In terms of your little boy, I am very sorry he is going through this - this is a major safeguarding issue and the school have to know everything immediately. No more phone contact with the girl, have the school separate them, that's the very least that needs to be done as the first step.

showerbeer · 25/06/2021 20:55

Hang on, were you aware that this child had essentially made a disclosure of sexual abuse by her father and you just… didn’t do anything until now? And you literally posted you aren’t sure if she’s lying? And you didn’t tell the school because they went on a school trip???????

I’m sorry but there’s absolutely no way you can square this with yourself as being ok. This is really, really shocking behaviour on your part.

Blackbird2020 · 25/06/2021 21:07

I have a teensy feeling this isn’t actually a genuine poster... but I guess we’ll never know.

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