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Completely bewildered by partners odd behaviour

185 replies

Mischiefofmice · 11/06/2021 21:27

My partner lives with me and is normally very loving and kind and we get on really well. However every so often he acts in the most startling way. Take this evening, we are going on a trip in just over 2 months and they need proof of our vaccinations so I downloaded the NHS app earlier and suggested I do his tonight on his phone ( he gets impatient at IT and I can usually muddle my way thro it).
Job done and I asked him to check to see if it had been approved and simply said we can’t get on the trip without it. Which is true. I said it as it’s a matter of fact , I’m not stressed or worried in any way, but seeing as I’m doing all the organising I just wanted to tick it off the list ( there’s quite a lot of admin involved and 2 months will come round quick and I need to be organised with it) . It was just a completely normal conversation that would have been impossible to take umbrage at.
Except he did, went wild, shouting and ranting at me that I’m over the top and worrying and treating him like a child. Eh! The more calmly I explained I wasn’t worried the tried to defend myself the nastier he got. This happens every few months. It’s SO over the top, I wish it was recorded so I could play it back to him. It’s goes from nothing to 100% nasty in seconds and I’m left baffled.
He projects onto me and tells me that it’s my fault, I cause it, I’m mad, todaywhen I tried to reason and calm him I got told to shut my fucking mouth. He threw his specs across the floor and stormed off in his car.
Meanwhile I’m left dazed thinking what the hell happened then.
5 minutes later he’s back as if nothings happened but I’m not aloud to speak . I tried to calmly say I didn’t think being told to shut my fucking mouth was respectable or nice. His response was he wasn’t listening and every time I tried to say anything he just talked over me and put his fingers in his ears. Every time.
If it wasn’t so nasty his behaviour would be comical. Tomorrow he will be back to normal and I’ll just be expected to be my normal self but every time he does it , it makes me love and trust him less. It’s just so extreme.

OP posts:
baldafrique · 12/06/2021 11:20

Please do not let them grow up thinking this is normal. Telling them daddy is bad when he emotionally and verbally abuses mummy is not enough. They need to see you will not tolerate being treated like that by ending the relationship with him.

THIS

Sssloou · 12/06/2021 11:30

“Bewilderment” is you stuck in cognitive dissonance (google that) - same with confusion and bafflement.

It’s where your gut knows something is wrong but your head is trying to justify, explain, accept, tolerate the unacceptable and intolerable.

I wonder what your upbringing was like? Is this familiar to you? To put up and shut up. All the unsaids? What was your parents RS like? How did they treat you? Did they encourage you to sense your feelings and establish and hold personal boundaries. Did they encourage self esteem?

Do you think this is all you deserve?

CallMeCleo · 12/06/2021 11:37

I hope the OP is still reading this thread. I read it last night in bed and desperately wanted to respond but had forgotten my password to log in.

I was in the same situation as you 10 yrs ago. I fell deeply in love with a quietly-spoken, mild-mannered gentlemanly type who had an excellent upbringing and education, and who held a senior and highly respected position at work. He opened doors for me, brought flowers, was always polite and kind, thoughtful and respectful.

Two years into this lovely relationship, we were on holiday abroad. We were in the small supermarket attached to our block of apartments. We'd intended on salad so had put mayo in the basket. Then later we decided on something else, and I blandly remarked (as you would) that we no longer needed the mayo. To my utter astonishment and horror - he instantly blew up in a red rage, screaming at me in front of all the other shoppers and staff. The gist of it was "Don't you think I realise that we don't now need the mayo?" and he went on screaming "did I think he was an idiot", "who the hell was I to talk down to him", "how dare I belittle him" and suchlike.

Whilst he was shouting his eyes went black and his face went bright red, and he was stomping his feet like a two year old child having a tantrum. He was 52 yrs old! I was utterly shocked, mortified, terrified of him as well as profoundly embarrassed as everyone had stopped shopping and were staring at him. He stormed out and marched to the apartment. I burst into tears and followed him, weeping profusely.

By the time we reached the apartment he was back to normal. He unpacked the food and prepared lunch, saw my red eyes and asked me what was wrong. I described his behaviour, and he had no recollection of the tantrum.

When we got back to the UK I posted what happened onto a website that dealt with problems. (I think it was called something like problem.co.uk.) Within minutes a woman told me that she knew exactly what he had, and it was called NPD. He was a "covert narcissist". I'd never heard of either term

I spent the entire day online, my mouth open in astonishment as websites and videos described his outburst exactly -- right down to the black eyes, the red face, and the lack of memory of the tantrum.

When I read your OP about your DP's tantrum I realised that he almost certainly has the same mental condiiton. Sad to report, it's incurable.

I stayed with my boyfriend for another six years. In that time he had only 3 or 4 more episodes of a "narc tantrum" and each time had no recollection of what he'd screamed at me, or of throwing a physical tantrum.

This isn't to say you should stay with him, but to help you understand the mental condition he is probably suffering from.

I suggest you google

covert narcissist
narcissistic rage
red mist rage
etc

and see if the descriptions match the way he behaves. I think they do.

This page is a good place to start:

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“Narcissistic rage” is a term coined by Heinz Kohut in his book The Analysis of the Self when it was published in 1972. It occurs when the narcissist perceives he is being personally “attacked” by someone else.

Grandiose self-worth, vanity, and entitlement are basic characteristics of this disorder; when these are challenged it often leads to narcissistic rage.

Narcissistic rage is a reaction to” narcissistic injury”- a perceived threat to their self-worth or self-esteem. Their rages can be of two types: explosive or passive-aggressive. The explosive rages are just as they sound- explosive, volatile outbursts which may be verbal, physical or both.

The passive-aggressive rages are exhibited as a withdrawal into a sulky, silent treatment as the means to punish the offender."

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Narcissistic Rage Cycle: The 7 Stages of Anger
Rage is a primitive, immature child-like expression of thwarted needs and/or (actual or perceived) invalidation. For most people, anger goes through several levels of emotion, each level requiring a certain level of self-control. According to psychiatrist Adam Blatner, there are seven levels of anger:

Stress Feeling angry subconsciously but not demonstrating it.
Anxiety Anger shown through subtle clues.
Agitation Displeasure is shown without blame.
Irritation A little more displeasure to elicit a response.
Frustration Anger with a scowl or harsh words.
Anger Anger with loudness of speech and expression.
Rage Losing temper and getting into a rage; aggression.
What Goes Wrong?
It appears that narcissists do not go through the 7 stages like other people do. The smallest infraction will send them right to level 7-rage. Why is that?

Their rage seems to be caused by any threat to their ego, and the ensuing rage acts to erase that threat and maintain their self-image and feelings of superiority.

To narcissists, rage is a perfectly appropriate response when they experience any threat to their view of self.

thenarcissisticlife.com/what-is-narcissistic-rage/

also

www.facebook.com/Shrink4Men/posts/10156276196958982?comment_id=10156276303298982&reply_comment_id=10156277745183982

psychcentral.com/pro/exhausted-woman/2017/01/five-ways-a-narcissist-comes-unglued#2

www.choosingtherapy.com/narcissistic-rage/

narcissistfamilyfiles.com/2017/03/04/understanding-narcissistic-rage-and-why-it-is-not-your-fault/

Mischiefofmice · 12/06/2021 12:25

Thank you so much for all your advice everyone. I am still taking it all in and keep rereading the thread to keep me strong. I am at work today , hence the late reply.
He text this morning whilst I was at work to ask if I wanted a B-B-Q tonight, like everything was normal. I responded and said how hurt and devastated I am. There was no apology or remorse. His only response ‘ sorry, I can’t do this anymore’. Meaning he was not sorry to me, just sorry for himself, like I was the cause. Always comes back to him. Always. I think it was meant to pull me up short, a passive aggressive comment to make me feel sorry for him and frighten me into thinking I could lose him. Accept it hasn’t , it’s just compounds what I already know. No more.

OP posts:
Mischiefofmice · 12/06/2021 12:28

Honestly so tired of the drama every few months. So pointless.

OP posts:
BeeCool · 12/06/2021 12:36

His only response ‘ sorry, I can’t do this anymore’

You say "yes you're actually right for once, you can't do this (to me) anymore. I won't put up with it. See ya.

thefourgp · 12/06/2021 12:41

Yeah, my ex threatened to end our relationship All The Time. It’s just another tactic to get you to shut up. He was shocked when I actually ended things. He went into a rage. I honestly think he truly believes he’s mr fantastic - a great father and husband. He’s a total narcissist and in complete denial of the truth. He’s convinced himself that he’s never done anything wrong. There’s always an excuse. On the extremely rare occasion I’d drag an apology out of him it was followed by ‘but it’s not my fault’ or similar words. He’d play the victim card when he was the aggressor. I’m glad you’re starting to see your partner for who he truly is OP.

2bazookas · 12/06/2021 12:58

One thing's for sure... there's no room for another screaming baby in your household.

baldafrique · 12/06/2021 13:09

Is he unhappy in the relationship? He, too, should just end it.

5475878237NC · 12/06/2021 13:18

I think if you keep on he'll end the relationship for you, blaming you of course but who cares?! Thinking of staying because of holidays just shows what a number he's done on you already. You deserve so much better!

freedomontheway · 12/06/2021 13:28

He's practising
I knew someone like this
It started every month or so then every week until the rages were happening a few times a day sometimes
They were diagnosed with EUPD
Please get out now OP
He sounds very unpredictable

Quirrelsotherface · 12/06/2021 13:31

Sorry I can't get past that he puts his fingers in ears so he can't hear you. What a weirdo, a grown man doing that. Get out, OP, before you commit any further to him.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 12/06/2021 13:40

a) Sounds like he hasn't actually had the vaccinations so you won't be going anywhere with him anyway.

b) If he then had a prolonged 'side effects' session each time, just as likely due to drinking so much.

c) Fuck that shit.

Dump him/accept his tin pot little threat in response to your daring to say you're pissed off with his abusive reactions and have nice holidays without such a prick in your life.

Bumpsadaisie · 12/06/2021 13:41

@Mischiefofmice

Thank you so much for all your advice everyone. I am still taking it all in and keep rereading the thread to keep me strong. I am at work today , hence the late reply. He text this morning whilst I was at work to ask if I wanted a B-B-Q tonight, like everything was normal. I responded and said how hurt and devastated I am. There was no apology or remorse. His only response ‘ sorry, I can’t do this anymore’. Meaning he was not sorry to me, just sorry for himself, like I was the cause. Always comes back to him. Always. I think it was meant to pull me up short, a passive aggressive comment to make me feel sorry for him and frighten me into thinking I could lose him. Accept it hasn’t , it’s just compounds what I already know. No more.
If he does have issues with his emotional and psychological development then he will really struggle to be able to feel proper concern for you. You can see that when he says "I can't do this anymore".

Most people if they hurt their partner in a moment of rage will say sorry and feel bad about it and try to make amends but your partner is too undeveloped for that.

It is very sad for him of course as he is going to struggle massively in life if he grant get help. But that doesn't mean you have to be with him and sacrifice your life.

Cushionsnotpillows · 12/06/2021 13:43

Yup my reply would be "I don't want to do this any more either. It's over".

Good for you for taking the advice on board OP. There are ladies on here who have lived through the nightmare of an abusive relationship and can see exactly what he's doing. Believe them and have faith in yourself that you're doing the right thing, the only safe thing, by ending this relationship.

noirchatsdeux · 12/06/2021 13:43

For me personally, the only acceptable reply to that message would be: "I agree, I can't do this relationship anymore either. Please be gone before I get home from work"

Anything else you do is telling him you find his behaviour acceptable.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 12/06/2021 17:26

Is the house yours?

CallMeCleo · 12/06/2021 17:53

@Mischiefofmice did you read my long post with all the links?

Do you think your man fits the descriptions of NPD?

billy1966 · 12/06/2021 18:14

I just cannot believe a bunch of flowers would feature as a positive from a nasty abusive terrorist.

Holidays?
Who cares?

You are on the path of utter misery.

Next pregnant and you will see it escalate until the first shove.

Then it is all over for you.

For goodness sake OP, has your life no value.

Tell your family and your friends.

Call 101 that you want this pig out.

If you had boundaries and self respect he would have been gone after the first time.

But you didn't kick him out so now the intervals have gotten shorter.

Typical abuser script.

He's nothing special.
Just the usual abusing scum we read about on MN all the time.

Don't become another statistic.
You deserve better.
Flowers

baldafrique · 12/06/2021 18:15

If you had boundaries and self respect he would have been gone after the first time.

But you didn't kick him out so now the intervals have gotten shorter.

This. Please listen OP. And do not have kids with this man. It would be no example for them and hell to live with. Trust me.

Fireflygal · 12/06/2021 18:22

@Bumpsadaisie, good insight. Do you have personal experience of this?

@CallMeCleo, my first thought was also covert NPD. Some posters believe the term is over used however I believe it's fairly common but not often formally diagnosed because part of the disorder is a failure to see that their behaviour is wrong. As a result they will never go to a professional for a diagnosis. Ex H went to counselling but at any stage when it was suggested his responses were not usual he would stop counselling. He only went to counselling to validate his feelings that he WAS the victim. NPD is thought to be caused by an abusive childhood plus genetics/personalty traits so given women have only in recent times felt able to leave abusive relationships it's no surprise that many children grew up in abusive homes. Its why its vital to break the cycle of abuse.

Op, It is extremely common for outsiders to only see the "nice man" i had this with my own family, until the divorce, when his behaviour was so extreme that they had no choice but to acknowledge it. Such was his ability to control his image prior to then. I was also subjected to a (secret) smear campaign which began once he knew I was on to him.

What is is previous relationship history?

NeonDreams · 12/06/2021 20:10

He sounds like a hate-filled and vicious sociopath. Who owns the home? Because I would kick him out before his physical outbursts become physical to you. He doesn't love you and he is dangerous. You need to end the relationship.

saltncheese · 12/06/2021 21:38

I was in a relationship with someone like this.

It just gets worse and worse believe me.

Who give a shit if you got a 'nice life' when that's a lie.

I am sooooo happy now I am free of him and his abusive moods and gas-lighting

saltncheese · 12/06/2021 21:40

"He's nothing special.
Just the usual abusing scum we read about on MN all the time"

Spot on.

5475878237NC · 12/06/2021 22:06

You don't need to understand him, you just need to leave!

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