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John learns to adult

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R0SEMARY · 30/05/2021 00:12

Thread 2 - many thanks to @GAHgamel for the thread title. And to everyone else who has supported and advised me thus far.

OP posts:
R0SEMARY · 14/07/2021 23:18

This has been time consuming and irritating but not upsetting. However I’ve been having horrible flashback type memories of so many bad things that have happened over the years. I’ve no idea why they are all coming back now, seemingly out of nowhere.

It’s not as if I’ve been doing anything that might prompt them, like sorting out old photos , reading self help books, watching romantic films or doing therapy where I talk about it. I’ve been really busy with work, the house and the kids.

I can only assume that it was too hard to deal with them at the time. And I wasn’t able to process then because it made no sense that my wonderful loving husband was acting the way he did. The most obvious reason was that I was overreacting or reading things into his innocent actions or not being understanding enough. It was all so confusing.

But now I’m seeing things through a different lens and it’s so painful. Nothing dramatic, just lots of small, routine, every day cruelties. Done for what seems like no reason.

Of course now I know the reasons. Sometimes because it made him feel more powerful to hurt or control me. And other times because he did what the hell he liked regardless of the cost to anyone else. His sense of entitlement knows no bounds.

It’s like Whack a Mole. Just as I dispatch one unhappy memory, another one pops up.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 14/07/2021 23:22

Big hugs to you Thanks

Well done on out foxing him to deal with the household bills.

Take comfort that his loss of control over you will be KILLING him.

Grief is a strange one, perhaps we only let ourselves feel and acknowledge as much as we can cope with?

Sunbird24 · 14/07/2021 23:32

Glad you’re ok @R0SEMARY, never apologise for not posting!
As for the memories, it was once explained to me like this:
As you experience things, they come into your brain on a conveyor belt. If they’re particularly big or an odd shape, a boxer has to pummel them til they fit into their box, which a librarian then files. When these come in too fast the boxer doesn’t get time to pummel them properly so they don’t quite fit in their boxes when they’re being filed, and they pop back out once the pace has slowed down a bit. You’re going back over them now allows your boxer to give them a good pounding and get the lids back on them nicely so your librarian can put them away where they belong.
I don’t know if that makes any sense to anyone else!

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/07/2021 23:34

@R0SEMARY

This has been time consuming and irritating but not upsetting. However I’ve been having horrible flashback type memories of so many bad things that have happened over the years. I’ve no idea why they are all coming back now, seemingly out of nowhere.

It’s not as if I’ve been doing anything that might prompt them, like sorting out old photos , reading self help books, watching romantic films or doing therapy where I talk about it. I’ve been really busy with work, the house and the kids.

I can only assume that it was too hard to deal with them at the time. And I wasn’t able to process then because it made no sense that my wonderful loving husband was acting the way he did. The most obvious reason was that I was overreacting or reading things into his innocent actions or not being understanding enough. It was all so confusing.

But now I’m seeing things through a different lens and it’s so painful. Nothing dramatic, just lots of small, routine, every day cruelties. Done for what seems like no reason.

Of course now I know the reasons. Sometimes because it made him feel more powerful to hurt or control me. And other times because he did what the hell he liked regardless of the cost to anyone else. His sense of entitlement knows no bounds.

It’s like Whack a Mole. Just as I dispatch one unhappy memory, another one pops up.

That brings it back to me.

I went through exactly the same and it felt like fresh hurt each time I remembered those little cruelties. Mine wasnt clever enough to do it deiberately, he just didnt give a shit about anyone else but him. But now nearly 3 years later I still get the flashbacks, but now I dont get the pain, just relief that that isnt my life anymore.

You will get their sweetheart, I promise.

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/07/2021 23:36

There! Thats the worst crime of all :o

Billybagpuss · 15/07/2021 05:50

I’m not surprised you’re getting the little flashbacks, right back at the beginning when you were focusing on Helen and the wedding, the relationship with John didn’t feel right. I do remember on of your posts where you were batting away all the LTB suggestions. I do think you have been suppressing things for a long time.

Hopefully now lockdown is lifting you are able to start focusing on you and developing your own interests and life.

Level75 · 15/07/2021 08:17

When you have the time and headspace therapy would probably be really helpful. You may have mild PTSD. You may find EMDR helpful too.

Rubytinsleslippers · 15/07/2021 08:22

Your thread shows how strong you are. You are handling an incredibly difficult situation, protecting your children and dealing with a dickhead. You are allowed to feel overwhelmed some days. Hugs

Orgasmagorical · 15/07/2021 08:59

I'm glad you were able to get things progressing on the admin front, Rosemary.

I understand where you're coming from with your second post. You now have more headspace for these things to reappear, to be dealt with. There were times when I just was floored when I thought about how astongishly and unnecessarily cruel my ex had been to me, for absolutely no reason. I have found counselling very helpful, would highly recommend it, with the right person.

Flowers
blobby10 · 15/07/2021 09:52

@Sunbird24 thank you for posting that analogy - it makes perfect sense to me! My OH has just gone through a total mental breakdown and is coming up with all sorts of memories and wondering why. This will really help him!

@Rosemary I'm sorry for hijacking your thread - I've read all of your posts and can only add to the rest of the posters who think you are incredibly strong and overall amazing. It sounds like you are at the turning point now where you will stop mourning what you (thought you) had with John and start seeing a new opportunity for the contentment/happiness that you truly deserve. xx

AcrossthePond55 · 15/07/2021 12:27

Our brains hide the things we can't deal with. That these memories are popping up now shows that you have grown strong enough to deal with them and put them in their proper place. And that's a good thing.

LatentPhase · 15/07/2021 12:44

Oh OP, I have been lurking and want to say congratulations on handling all this so beautifully. You are awesome.

I also want to say thank you. Because I am in the process of leaving a weak man whose ‘adult’ dd is similarly self obsessed and damaged. I’ve heeded my own alarm bells and am now exiting. Your thread gives me strength. No step mum can ever remedy these messes. We aren’t foolish to try but we are foolish to carry on. Of course it’s all behind you now! Hooray!

Helen and John, good luck to you, good luck with the washing machine. Same to my DP and his dd. Flowers

QuinnMovesOn · 15/07/2021 21:07

Yes, it was like that for me... I was too busy in crisis mode and making everything happen that needed to be done, I didn't have time to really process any of it. This is okay, it's a difficult phase but you'll get through it. You're already well on that road.

FinallyHere · 15/07/2021 21:39

@R0SEMARY please don't apologise for not posting, this is your life.

Congratulations on the outfoxing the utility accounts.

I'd expect your memories coming back is a good sign that your body feels safe enough to deal with it now.

Earlier, you were on high alert. As PP have suggested, it might be the right time get some help.

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 16/07/2021 07:46

I’ve found counselling really helpful to help me sort out my feelings, and regular meditation to ‘sit’ with them.

It’s so traumatic sifting back through your marriage, figuring out the constantly hurtful stuff that eroded your self.

What I would say, is accept your thoughts and feelings. Don’t beat yourself up… acknowledge them and let go. The subconscious is a very clever bit of kit. Allow it to process it all.

Justilou1 · 16/07/2021 11:52

@R0SEMARY your methodology is genius. Hit him in the wallet and he has to react, even if he doesn’t respond. He’s such a worm!

DartmoorDoughnut · 17/07/2021 08:34

Keep on keeping on @R0SEMARY

prettybird · 17/07/2021 12:05

All power to you @R0SEMARY Thanks

The Pete Walker book Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving might be helpful if you when you're ready. It's more aimed at addressing and moving on from childhood abuse - but some of the flashbacks you're having sound very similar.

Justilou1 · 18/07/2021 08:20

Yes - also recommend The Crappy Childhood Fairy on YouTube for similar. (Yes, the name is shit, but she has been a valuable resource for me.)

R0SEMARY · 24/07/2021 17:14

Just popping in to say Hi to anyone who is still around.

I’m doing much better, probably because I’ve not had to deal with John for weeks now. He has stopped phoning me as I never pick up.

I will answer texts about for the children but that’s all. I deal with legal / financial matters by email.

The children are all remarkably settled. The oldest has been to his house once in the two month since he left.

The middle child has stayed overnight twice but doesn't like it . He’s been over a couple of times to watch the sport as ( naturally ) John has a huge TV and all the sports channel subscriptions.

Youngest has been a couple for times for dinner and that’s it.

John never phones any of them except to ask if they want to come over to his to watch something.

I’ve been really surprised at how little effort he’s made with any of them.

I don’t know why I’m shocked because he’s made little effort for the last 20 years. I suppose I thought he would realise NOW was a good time to start trying with his kids. It’s kind of his last chance.

But no.

He rarely answers the phone if they call him so they’ve given up. I suspect he’s with his affair partner ( still have no proof but I don’t really care TBH).

When they first found out that John was going, DC1 immediately said “ it will made no difference to me anyway, all I ever see is the back of his head “ [ on his desktop or watching tv]

Last week DC3 said to me that it’s made no difference to their lives. He said “ At first I was worried about how we would manage for money but now I can see we are ok “. ( good swan impression from mum here ) .

I just think it’s so so sad. I can’t imagine how I would feel if my kids ever said that about me.

I wish I had chosen a better father for them. He looked promising at the time, but it was all smoke and mirrors.

Thankfully I’ve not heard a word from Helen and Kate. I doubt I will ever see them again TBH. It’s not as if my kids are close to them so they wont be at 18th birthdays / graduations etc. Of course my kids can invite them if they want - but they won’t.

I’ve not heard from any of John’s very large family either , although I didn’t expect to. It’s odd how you can spend 20 years of your life treating these people as your family - keeping in touch, sending cards and gifts, hosting then in your home and visiting them.

So much of my time and energy has gone into them. It’s there at the back of my mind all the time - oh we ‘ve not heard from SIL / BIL recently, I wonder if she’s heard yet about a date for her op, I must ring her.

Oh I hope BIL is keeping better, I’ll send him a card from us all.

When is Nieces baby due ? I must text SIL to ask. Oh nephews baby must be one soon - must remember to send gift.

It’s our turn to have the whole family from X town over soon.

So many years of emotional labour, treating them as my own family.

And they just all disappear overnight . Like they never existed.

I changed my job in the last year - before that, John and I worked together. So no one I work with even knows that I was married, let alone have met him. Which is great , no awkward questions.

My friends and ( very small ) family are all very tactful and no one mentions him. So for most of the time it’s like he never existed.

It’s just so weird how your whole life for 20 years ( most of my adult life ) can be all about one person . He was so controlling and dominating (in a non physical way). Everything revolved around him and his needs.

I couldn’t make a plan for anything simple , like going to the hairdressers, without checking it was ok with him. He frequently forced me to change plans at the last minute to suit him.

Now he’s gone and there’s not vacuum . There’s just a big sense of freedom and space for us all to grow into.

I can wear what I want, have my hair I like it. Buy the kind of food I like , eat what and when I like.

We can have the house how we like. We are even going on holiday again without consulting him or having to seek his approval.

On holiday I will do what I like THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME.

OP posts:
R0SEMARY · 24/07/2021 17:18

I will also write FUCK on MN whenever I want. I never say it in RL course.

Did I mention that I’ve not worn a single item of feminine and lady like clothes in two months? Nor any make up ? ( well only a tiny amount for work meeting / zoom calls ).

I wear large floaty summer dresses at home and don’t shave my legs.

Not a single person has criticised my appearance in two months. It’s heaven.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 24/07/2021 17:29

🥳

You sound so much happier!!!

prettybird · 24/07/2021 17:34

Onwards and upwards! Thanks You sound like a different person Smile

🦋 emerging 🦋

LookItsMeAgain · 24/07/2021 17:37

If you read this thread from the start to now it's like it was written by two completely different women!
I think you're brilliant @R0SEMARY and while I've lurked on this thread and cheered you on from the sidelines, I've decided to decloak and state it publically!
You are getting the best of the kids. They do appreciate you, and they would definitely be worse off if you were the one who left and they were stuck with John.

Keep going. You're doing brilliantly!!!

Orgasmagorical · 24/07/2021 17:38

I hear you, Rosemary Grin Gin Cake Glitterball