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New Fab & Glam (Part 2 - happy endings?!)

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Baffy · 15/11/2007 10:08

Lets hope this is the thread where we all find our happy endings

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Dior · 11/01/2008 21:43

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Fubsy · 11/01/2008 22:35

Hi everyone - good to have you back on LB!

baffy - sorry youre having a crap time. What you posted to GUP about "being" friends really hit the nail on the head for me. I just dont feel anything much towards XP, so I cant feel about him like I would about a friend. Like you say, a friend should be someone you have fun with. I just dont believe these celebs who claim to be bast friends with their exs.

But civil is good.

ginnedupudding · 12/01/2008 00:14

Hi everyone.
I love love love my lovely Mum and Stepdad. I went round there this afternoon in a bit of a state about everything and when I went to get ds from school my Stepdad spent all afternoon researching laptops and the result was that he took me to PC world and I've got a lovely new laptop that is all mine. I had to get it on finance though but I got a really good deal. Its worth every penny not to have to ask xp for his. He even said today that I can have the whole pc back if I let him see the dc as if I would.
Of course its taken me all night to get it going and the first place I came to was MN!!
Tannee - XP is a roofer, but I don't think I'll recommend him to you - I like you too much !!!
Anyway, I expect you are all tucked up in bed now so I'll be on here tomorrow.
xxx

Fubsy · 12/01/2008 10:17

GUP - isnt it nice to have your own PC!

I love not having shite installed that fucks everything up then has to be uninstalled thereby fucking everything else up!

Paddlechick666 · 12/01/2008 14:29

GUP, nice one. Hope you're having heaps of fun with it.

sorry i'm not posting much at the mo. seem to be in a bit of a black place right now.

no motivation, no energy, no interest in anything but being pissed off with H.

feel very tired out and sluggish.

ginnedupudding · 12/01/2008 18:25

PC - sorry you feel so bad - I know what its like. Hope you feel better about things soon. You've come so far with the new house and everything don't let him mess with your head anymore.
I've been running on adrenaline and sheer anger all week, and now its all run out. I just feel exhausted and sad (although very happy with my new laptop which makes things seem better)
Keep your chin up sweetie - we're all here for you.

macdoodle · 12/01/2008 19:39

Low and lonely tonight DD1 staying with her dad so just me and baby - feel like I have chased her away though I know she needs some one to one time with her dad but I want her with me - my family is me and my 2 girls ...NOT fair he made this mess and me and her have to live with the consequences

Paddlechick666 · 12/01/2008 19:59

thanks GUP, actually feel heaps better this evening due to getting out of the house adn spending some time with my RL MN friends. took all the dc to kew gardens and they had a ball.

dd sparko without a bath by 7:30pm and a pizza is on order.

h is a tosser, he really is.

know what you mean about being flat when the adrenalin runs out.

mac, sorry you're feeling a bit down too. enjoy the evening with dd2 tho and i am sure dd1 will benefit from time with her dad.

totally know what you mean about having to live with the mess they have made.

macdoodle · 12/01/2008 20:07

Thing is DD2 is such a good baby she is a bit boring ....and have been mostly house bound for 2 weeks am going a bit crazy....little sis coming tomorrow for a week (yippee) so will have some help/company and a driver to get out and about

lilybubble · 13/01/2008 00:05

PC and macdoodle, yes am so there with being fed up of having to live with ex's mess. Poor dd has been so upset, and of course it's only me that has to deal with the fallout. Although on Thu, he came here for the day to look after her as she's been off all week, and he was in a real grump when I got home as she'd been tricky with him. Felt quite glad about that, but of course then he buggered off and I had to coax dd out of bad mood / tantrum again. Just for a change!

The other thing that's really pissing me off about his stupid decision is school. I don't have a school place for dd, who should have started this week. Instead we are on the waiting lists of a couple of schools, and still paying nursery fees - very annoying.

GUP, so glad you got new laptop!! Finance will def be worth it, for sure!!

PC, sorry you have been feeling low. How did dd do at pre-school this week?

Tanee, any luck with a roofer?

Fubsy - thanks! And how are you?

hope you're all having a nice weekend xxx

Paddlechick666 · 13/01/2008 09:07

lilyloo, if you're about (and not busy with a gorgeous little newborn!) I think your DP might be able to help this lady: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/1400/453788?ts=1200215211724

Dior · 13/01/2008 09:27

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Raffaella · 13/01/2008 19:29

Dior, think they'll just close your file if you don't want to do anything at the moment. Although you may have a fee to pay? Depends what arrangement you had with them.

If in a few months' time things are bad again and you decide to go ahead, you can contact them then.

Glad that you seem to be in a good place right now.

McD, GUP, PC, Baffy and any others who seem to be having a really shite time

lilyloo · 13/01/2008 20:48

Thanks for that PC have posted link he has small business ad on here again, he really appreciates your help, thanks!
No still no news here about lo but booked in for induction Friday so will be here either way this time next week! Also dd got to have a lovely 3rd birthday today so am glad of that!
Haven't had chance to catch up but will try to do so now LL x

lilyloo · 13/01/2008 20:56

Sorry to hear so many of you are so down sending you all positive vibes esp Baffy sorry you can't share what's going on and wish we could help!
Dior glad to see things seem to be going well for you though!
Mcd hows lo doing ?
Pc sorry to see you feeling so shitty maybe it's a bit of a come down after all you had going on before xmas! But to say again thanks for your support with dp it all helps esp with me off on mat leave it's a bit of a stressful time at the mo so much appreciated.
Any news off Ernest recently ?

Baffy · 14/01/2008 09:16

hi everyone

so sorry not been online all weekend, not a great time for me at the moment.

big talk with H friday - awful

his OW has been back in touch too

went to my little cousin's birthday party yesterday. she has a 'pamper party' for all her friends (girls) and cousins. there are quite a few boys in the family so the dads took the boys to the park for a game of football while the girls had their hair and nails done.

as all the boys were getting ready to go out with their dads ds said to me, "mummy, where's my daddy?" he's only 2.5. is this what it will be like for the rest of his life?

so totally understand where you're all coming from in having to live with the mess they created. what frustrates me most is that I have given H every chance to try and put this right and give us time to get through this. all he keeps saying is 'he can't'.
but that's rubbish. I think that means he doesn't want to. because you can do anything you want with a bit of effort. he's just too selfish.

what a mess

lilyloo am looking forward to some happy news

GUP great news about the laptop too

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Paddlechick666 · 14/01/2008 10:01

Hi Baffy, breaks your heart doesn't it? So sorry your ds and you are having to go thru this.

I guess from that perspective dd has never been used to H being around. If she asks where he is I just say at work or at his house or something. I am still feeling angry about his not bothering to call her on her first day at pre-school.

Totally agree with you about it being their choice not to try and work things out. I've bent over backwards to try and keep my marriage alive and it's always him that abuses all the efforts I make. Even after a wonderful day last Saturday he can't even be bothered to keep up a minimum level of contact.

There's an interesting thread on depression in partners under relationships. A guy has posted from his own experience of depression and it's revealing stuff.

The hard facts are, yes it will always be like this for our dc. But, in this day and age there are so many varied family set ups and who's to say what's a "normal" family any more?

Our DC will learn and grow with the fact of how their family works. As they grow older they will understand more and it will be less upsetting for them when their Daddy isn't around at these times. Also, as they go out into the world and make friends they will begin to realise that there are lots of kids like them. Whether it will become less upsetting for us as their mothers is a different matter eh!

The ultimate kick in the teeth for these men will be when their children are old enough to see them for the lightweight, irresponsible, uncaring *&^%$ that they really are.

It will be us and their other loving family members who they rely on and love who will reap the benefits of the happy, secure and loving children that we are raising.

I see it as our job to remain upbeat and happy in front of the kids and not let them see how hurt we are by how their daddy behaves. Soon enough they will know who stood by them, who got them thru the night, who made every birthday and christmas special.

That to me is my prize, not the mythical day (that may never come) when H begs on his knees or at the very least admits they regret what they did and realise what they had is lost forever by their own actions.

I can't deny I did get a slight satisfaction from H's texts before Xmas telling me how much he missed me and realised he'd lost the best thing that ever happened to me.

But, on balance, he knows fine well he never lost me. I was always there ready to try again. He deliberately walked away regardless of his depression. As usual his text was self-serving and all about his own loss and pity and was actually (found out later) prompted by his belief that I was seeing someone else.

Anyways, I'm ranting on! Just wanted to say hi and empathise with you.

Baffy · 14/01/2008 10:15

Hi

yes you're right I do have no doubt that I will be able to raise ds as a happy and secure child and he will very quickly get used to the situation.

you're right though - I really don't think the pain will ever get any easier for me. can't imagine the day will ever come when I am happy to miss out on precious time with my baby so that he can spend quality time with his selfish father

we were all together in H's flat on friday night. ds was absolutely loving it, loving us all bring together, dancing round, so happy. H's response - I think you better go as soon as possible I don't want him getting used to seeing us together, he looks too happy!!!!

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ginnedup · 14/01/2008 13:18

& Baffy.

No wonder your upset. Is he totally insane?

Can a child ever look too happy?

Bloody hell .....!

Baffy · 14/01/2008 13:42

pulled him up on it today

he said he just started over-analysing things and thinking that ds would 'get confused' if he had a good time with us all together and then had to leave and be on his own with us from then on.

H clearly knows how happy ds is when we're all there, but is too scared to face that because it makes him face up to the fact that his affair, and subsequent decisions, may result in ds not being as happy as he could be.

H said I have no idea how much he is suffering over what he's done to me. But he just doesn't feel able to give us another chance. Even though he loves me, loves spending time with me, knows ds is happiest when we're all together etc etc - he just doesn't feel it between us anymore and isn't willing to even give it a try...
at the same time he can't face signing the divorce papers...

where do you go from there?!

I don't care who the hell newname is anymore and who's reading this. If I don't get it out I'll explode. I just cannot believe what he's doing.

(As a little aside - I virtually had to beg for him to make some time to talk to me on friday night. Apart from feeling like I was a chore and too much hassle for him, when I had my say and it really did hit him. He said he needed fresh air and went for a walk. Then came back. It was like getting blood out of a stone actually trying to get him to speak. Then he disappeared to his dads for 3 hours to talk it all through with his bloody father! Not his wife!!)

Saturday morning, I got a text off OW! Basically saying she wanted to make him pay and would I help?!
I replied and said what's going on and where has this come from? (Bearing in mind I haven't heard from her in 5 months!).

Apparently, she's been in hospital for weeks for something and he promised to see her when she came out. She came out friday night. She rang and rang him. He was with me therefore, obviously ignored her. I'd messed up his plans. But on his 'walk' went to ring her. Because he was going through all that with me he was really horrible to her and told her where to go and he had enough to deal with and he didn't want to know. So she got mad and decided to contact me again!

I asked him on Saturday if he'd heard from her lately. (Before I knew any of this) His reply - no not at all

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Baffy · 14/01/2008 13:46

btw I do know I am better off without him!

but nobody ever said divorce was easy hey!! and the combination of ds being so happy on friday night, then him being upset wanting his daddy yesterday, it's really affected me and set me back

the sad thing is that before ds went to bed on friday night, we made tea and played a few games all together and then danced to ds's favourite songs and we all really were so happy and relaxed. what a mess. still!

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Tanee58 · 14/01/2008 13:56

Oh Baffy !!! Are there words to describe such a silly, silly attitude? He should have been glad ds was happy and made the most of it.

But I can also reassure you that ds WILL be ok, because of the love and support you'll give him. It's sad to say, but I remember when dd was little, all but one of her friends were with two birthparents & she felt very alone when exh left. However, very shortly after, the mother of one of her friends also told her husband that she'd had enough. I was sad for them, as they'd seemed a normal, happy couple (just shows how little we see from the outside) - but the 'good' thing was that suddenly dd realised she wasn't alone in having parents splitting up - and amongst the 40+ age group of parents, there have been so many splits in the last few years. Once she went to secondary school, she met many children from one parent or step parent families, and she seems to have adjusted brilliantly.

So really, I do think that most children are adaptable - as long as they still feel loved, ideally by both parents - or at least loved above everything else by the parent they live with, and given as positive a view as possible of the parent who's left (I try not to say negative things about exh in front of daughter - as she grows up, however, she's making up her own mind on the subject).

Tanee58 · 14/01/2008 14:06

So... he loves you - but he doesn't feel it between you - he loves you - but he doesn't want to give it a try - he doesn't want to try - but he can't sign the divorce papers...

Poor baby....

AARGH!!!!

I do feel for you. HE is suffering? If he loved you, he'd have some inkling that you might be suffering too, and that starting the divorce might be the start of moving on. Or does he enjoy being the tortured wronged husband?

I actually feel quite sorry for OW too - she's learning, too late, what he's really like!

Baffy · 14/01/2008 15:27

Thanks Tanee

I do think he enjoys being the tortured wronged husband! He still can't understand why my family don't want anything to do with him.

He just can't seem to understand that I have given him every chance to try, but if he doesn't want to then I need the divorce so that I can get some sort of closure, accept it's over, and most of all, move on.

He should be bloody extatic that I am even speaking to him these days, never mind offering him the chance to get his family back together.

I've explained til I'm blue in the face that while I am married I can never totally give up on saving the marriage as it means so much to me. So if he wants it to be over he has to sign the papers.

But he won't!

It's helped me so much to write it all down. I couldn't understand why my head was such a mess when deep down I've given up on 'us' the day I got the papers, and my head is telling me that I'd be a fool to ever consider trusting him with my happiness again. But it's a mess because of him, the things he's saying and the contradictory actions! At least I can see it a bit more clearly now.

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Paddlechick666 · 14/01/2008 15:30

Baffy, he sounds so much like my H with the conflicting actions and words.

I really need to get onto seeing a divorce solicitor. Can't seem to get myself motivated to do much at all at present tho.

Really hope you get some resolution soon.

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