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Have you ever set boundaries with your in-laws regarding elderly help? If so, some tips and advice are needed please.

178 replies

Cheeseandbeansontoast · 29/04/2021 13:32

For background info, there is dh and his brother, plus me and SIL and their adult children. We didn’t have children.

Some help required here as the In-laws (who think women should be kept in a box until help is expected 🙄) are getting older and getting more demanding.

Dh is doing all he can to help, his Dbro isn’t doing much to help as their adult children ‘need him at home’ , and as we don’t have children, surely we have nothing better to do…..As you can tell, I’m a bit pissed off.

I help out every now and then with Dh, but they make a five minute job into a day of a thing, adding jobs on to the original ‘to do’ list, so we are stuck there longer than anticipated, and the hints of women’s work and elderly care are getting stronger. Up to now, I have ignored them.

But it’s going to come to a head one day, and I think boundaries need setting now. Have you set boundaries regarding this? If so, how did you implement them?

My thoughts are that the primary caregiving goes to Dh and his Dbro, 50/50, seeing as she gave birth to them and brought them up.

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FinallyHere · 29/04/2021 19:20

The other thing to consider is that outside help is often only accepted after some kind of crisis, a blue light journey to a hospital etc.

The really helpful thing would be to get the conversation between your DH and his brother going about 'what if'. Encourage them to know what solutions are available and how to access them before they are needed.

Meanwhile, practise saying that famous complete sentence 'no'. Or even it's close neighbour ' I'm sorry, that won't be possible ' and focus on having you and DH in agreement.

Good luck.

LoveSleeping · 29/04/2021 19:26

Watching and taking in all the advice with interest as I'm in a similar position OP.

MIL calls me (not DP) whenever she wants anything doing as 'men don't understand/ men get it wrong'. DP and I have told her repeatedly to ask DP if she needs anything but she refuses.

I have willingly been doing her food shopping during lockdown and other tasks that involve going out like to the post office as FIL had asked her to limit her contacts (he has health issues) but now they are both vaccinated and back to normal socialising, mooching round M&S, breaking lockdown rules by meeting friends indoors etc I now need to broach the subject of me handing back the tasks they can do now that they are out and about again.

She's today asked me to research , choose and book a holiday for them and us and to buy my DC a birthday present from them - I have no time to even have a coffee most days what with my job, young kids and my own life admin - I don't want to be doing hers too!!

Good luck op!

Holly60 · 29/04/2021 19:43

@Cheeseandbeansontoast

She had asked dh to take her to the wallpaper store but also asked him if I could come as well as I have the ‘eye for design’.
God, what a bitch...
bringincrazyback · 29/04/2021 19:44

@Soontobe60

I’m shocked at the number of people on here who would not help out with their parents in law, but leave it all to their partners. What happened to supporting family? God help some of you when you get older and need more support.
It's not that simple, though, is it. Some people have nightmare in-laws, and the in-law dynamic is never going to be the same as it is between blood relatives, is it.

I'm my mum's carer and she lives with us. DH does help her, and helped my dad (who also lived with us) when he was around, quite a lot, which is great and takes some of the strain off me. But I'd never ask him to feel as responsible for her wellbeing as I do, or to feel the same way about my mum as if she was a blood relative. It's just not realistic. I expect to do most of the carer stuff because she's my mum.

Onthemaintrunkline · 29/04/2021 20:11

Reading this thread, I can see both sides, both have merit. However to oil the wheels so to speak, and lighten your H’s load and to show some degree of empathy and kindness, would it hurt you to do a little more than you’re obviously doing. It doesn’t mean taking everything on, that’s where boundaries are drawn, but to help your MIL chose wallpaper, I’m not her age, but there’s 1000’s and 1000’s to chose from, it’s confusing, would it really have hurt to have helped narrow it down a bit. Do some things to help, I’m not in anyway saying take on total care, in helping you’re also helping your husband, who sounds to be very much involved.

Aquamarine1029 · 29/04/2021 20:18

I’m shocked at the number of people on here who would not help out with their parents in law, but leave it all to their partners. What happened to supporting family? God help some of you when you get older and need more support.

You really can't figure this out? Why some people refuse to support their in-laws? My parents adore my husband, have loved him like a son for 25 years, and he would do anything to help them. My in-laws on the other hand, couldn't, give a toss about me, through no fault of my own. Apparently, I was the enemy from day one because I took their son away from them. Confused After years and years and years of bending over backwards, trying everything to have a decent relationship, I simply don't give a fuck anymore. Hell would freeze over before I sacrificed my life to be their carer. You reap what you sow.

memberofthewedding · 29/04/2021 20:19

I cant believe the people here who spend their lives running around after elderly parents and in laws. If there had been smart phones or internet back in the 1980s I would have been lumbered with all this. Fortunately there were none of those things and I was a non driver working in another city. I have raised being "uncontactable" to an art form.

When the time comes that I can no longer look after myself it will be sleeping pills and a glass of vodka rather than strangers in a care(less) home.

Parkperson · 29/04/2021 20:36

I have posted on these issues before. Say no and mean it but don't expect anything in the way of inheritance. I know someone whose PIL eventually turned to a niece for help and she became a surrogate daughter. They left her all their assets unsurprisingly.
I hope I was supportive and helpful towards my husband when my PIL needed care. In turn, I never felt alone when coping with my elderly parents. He was by my side throughout. In both cases it was a team effort and brought us even closer. I also have a widowed sister, my DH does so much house maintenance for her.
I had a friend who was strict about never helping her husband with care and support for elderly parents. She was hurt when her elderly mother was dying and he did not share her care.
Support and team work is a two way process. We may all need help at some point. A loving partner is the best kind of support.

StillWeRise · 29/04/2021 20:41

Regarding planning for the future, it would be worth your DH and his DB thinking about power of attorney and then talking to the ILs about this.

And it really is true that you reap what you sow. My parents have always been as supportive as the distance they lived allowed, hosted our family for many summer holidays, helped us out financially when they could. My DM now lives near us and while she doesn't need care as such, DP is happy to help out. My ILs were a very different story and without going into details I'm relieved this question hasn't and will not arise as I really would have felt neither inclined nor obliged to do more than the minimum.

MunchyCat · 29/04/2021 20:48

@LoveSleeping

Watching and taking in all the advice with interest as I'm in a similar position OP.

MIL calls me (not DP) whenever she wants anything doing as 'men don't understand/ men get it wrong'. DP and I have told her repeatedly to ask DP if she needs anything but she refuses.

I have willingly been doing her food shopping during lockdown and other tasks that involve going out like to the post office as FIL had asked her to limit her contacts (he has health issues) but now they are both vaccinated and back to normal socialising, mooching round M&S, breaking lockdown rules by meeting friends indoors etc I now need to broach the subject of me handing back the tasks they can do now that they are out and about again.

She's today asked me to research , choose and book a holiday for them and us and to buy my DC a birthday present from them - I have no time to even have a coffee most days what with my job, young kids and my own life admin - I don't want to be doing hers too!!

Good luck op!

What the actual fuck? Research a holiday for them?

Why in gods name can't she do it?

I hope you gave her a straight up no.

FinallyHere · 29/04/2021 20:49

She's today asked me to research , choose and book a holiday for them and us

This, this is insane.

Lumene · 29/04/2021 21:03

OP YANBU at all and I bet there would not be the same expectation if you were make.

Lumene · 29/04/2021 21:03

*male

LoveSleeping · 29/04/2021 22:42

@FinallyHere

She's today asked me to research , choose and book a holiday for them and us

This, this is insane.

Oh but apparently I'm 'really good at things like that'.

I told her DP researches and books most of our holidays as he always pick lovely places hence I'll be delegating this this task to him- should he choose to accept it.

Cattitudes · 29/04/2021 23:02

She's today asked me to research , choose and book a holiday for them and us and to buy my DC a birthday present from them

Do you want to go away with them? 'Oh I don't have time to book a holiday and if you can't think of anything for ds then just pop some money in his savings.'

We did buy presents for our own dc from grandparents but only towards the end when they couldn't do it themselves. The grandparents wanted to choose presents.

bringincrazyback · 29/04/2021 23:15

@memberofthewedding

I cant believe the people here who spend their lives running around after elderly parents and in laws. If there had been smart phones or internet back in the 1980s I would have been lumbered with all this. Fortunately there were none of those things and I was a non driver working in another city. I have raised being "uncontactable" to an art form.

When the time comes that I can no longer look after myself it will be sleeping pills and a glass of vodka rather than strangers in a care(less) home.

Fucking hell. I'm sure there's context to this, but the way you worded your post it just comes off as staggeringly cold.
TheUndoingProject · 29/04/2021 23:22

So you haven’t seen them for a year and after one afternoon choosing some wallpaper you’re worried about boundaries?

I wouldn’t really call your situation providing elderly help...

beachsidecafe · 30/04/2021 08:46

This is only going to get worse not better, their needs will increase and if you take it on now you will be totally stuck for years maybe decades.

Be clear with dh and it is up to him and db to make their decisions surrounding their parents.

The only posts spouting things about being 'cold' are usually those insisting on the same things themselves. It is not on to be a burden on anyone else's life, if you feel you want to do help and visit great - if not then decline. You are a free person, able to make your own decisions about your own life and time.

Lollypop701 · 30/04/2021 09:07

I had the time thing, and agree that older people forget that you don’t have unlimited time. I told mil the time I would be there and when I would leave. I asked her what she needed doing and we did that. If there was time leftover we’d go for a coffee. She tried to spring the extra stuff and was met with a firm ‘I’m leaving at x as I have to do x... so that will have to be done next time. Initially met with much moaning etc but she accepted it because I left in time and ignored the bad behaviour. Sil was run ragged until she took a leaf out of my book. My dh did his fair share on the same basis. It was team work and worked. You both need very firm boundaries snd be clear about what you will and won’t do. I couldn’t leave my dh to manage by himself... my choice, and I think it was easier for me to have the boundaries than him at least initially

crumpet · 30/04/2021 09:12

There is a balance to be struck between turning into a career, and being a normal member of a family.

The wallpaper example wouldn’t have been an issue for me, especially as it’s the first time you’d have seen them in a year. I’d go with any relative (or friend) who wanted a second opinion. Being expected to upend my diary constantly would be an issue for me.

crumpet · 30/04/2021 09:13

*cared not career!

crumpet · 30/04/2021 09:13

Damn. *carer. I wish autocorrect didn’t think it was so bloody clever

Cheeseandbeansontoast · 30/04/2021 11:50

Okay, to try to explain or answer a few posts.
This is about boundaries, not me not helping at all.

MIL is very particular about what she wants. An example is online grocery shopping that she has had delivered during the pandemic.
Dh normally sorts that out, but I said I’d do that seeing as he goes down there to help with other stuff.
So dh mentions this to her while on the phone and I was in the background. Her attitude?

Will Cheese know what to do?
Yes Mum, she is computer literate.
How would she know what to get?
Give me the list of what you want and I’ll hand it over to Cheese, plus you have everything on the favourites menu.
Ooh, not sure Cheese will understand what I want, she might not get me the right thing. The conversation rambled on so much about my conceived computer illiteracy that Dh had to take the job back.

Back to the wallpaper shop.
She organised a decorator to come within two weeks of ringing him, then tells us she needs our help, not much time given to us as we are working . What is he decorating? The living room wall.
Ok.
So, MIL is fussy about what she wants. Cue walking around aimlessly round the store. Finds something, hurrah, lovely wallpaper actually.
I’ll get a trolley and we’ll go to the checkout. Er no, while you are here, I’ll be buying wallpaper for the other rooms….they’ll need doing in the next few years…cue another hour and a half.
Not cheese is it ok for me to also choose wallpaper for other rooms before we set off. Oh no, at the last minute.

Pre pandemic days of going over to their house on a Sunday for a takeaway. Just about to leave, shoes coat on etc ‘er before you go, can you just…..it’ll only take five minutes.’ Half an hour later, by this time dbil sil disappear, or ‘ no, I can’t possibly…bye’

So, to summarise, she was ok to take over my time on a physical level (wallpaper shopping), but I’m not allowed to offer help that enables dh and I to make life a little easier for ourselves. Eg online shopping.

Elderly care/ women’s work that she keeps hinting at is toilet/hospital/bed sores/cleaning/nappy changing for when they become incapacitated. The cleaner she had originally got sacked because she didn’t clean to her standard.

Otherwise you are being manipulated by proxy Yes.

Dh and I have been talking about our will recently as it needed changing to include new arrivals in the family. I brought it up again today about booking an appointment to see the solicitor and mentioned at that point about power of attorney over PILs will. He says its his and his dbros job to doing.
Inheritance wise as dh is helping, I don’t see why he wouldn’t get any inheritance anyway ? 🤷‍♀️ If I didn’t help I wouldn’t expect anything anyway, but what dh will get inheritance wise will go in our joint account.

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Cheeseandbeansontoast · 30/04/2021 11:56

*To do, not to doing.
The bit about Sunday dinner, to explain better, the ‘er, can you just… when we are about to leave is a job that they have just thought of that they think needs doing there and then that could wait.

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Cheeseandbeansontoast · 30/04/2021 12:07

Dh and I work the same hours so normally we split the housework/ cleaning 50/50.

When he is at PILS I do his share of jobs, . So the care I give is indirect, as she can’t control that bit at least.

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