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Does love come back/what do I do

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helplesshopeless · 06/04/2021 10:03

Nc for this.

Advice needed please, I've created a huge mess and can't see a way out/what is for the best. This may be long.

I am married with a 3yo. DH has always had a nasty temper, I've suggested anger management counselling numerous times but to no avail. The last few years since having my child have been really difficult. He's generally spoken to me with contempt and disdain a lot of the time, with occasional temper flashes, arguments are always toxic, things could get very nasty (never physical). On a day to day basis we would be civil enough to eachother, but nasty looks and snappiness from him were definitely daily as well, with bigger flare ups fairly regularly. We have had happy family times too and we both dote on our child.

All of this treatment from my DH culminated in my withdrawing from him and ultimately having an affair the last few months, with someone who made me feel loved and cared for. It was mainly an emotional affair but there was a small amount of physical contact (we did not have sex). This is someone that I work with, so although we're wfh at the moment, he is in team zoom meetings etc.

My DH found everything out last week. He is angry but also devastated. I have never seen him so upset and it has shocked me that he cares that much about me. He has completely woken up to how he's been treating me and is committed to having anger management therapy and working on things with me. I obviously am ashamed of what I have done and there is no excuse for my behaviour, but he does recognise that his treatment of me took me to a place where I was open to someone else. I still can't believe I had an affair because it is so against my morals and I fully deserve to be judged for it.

We are working on things and will get relationship counselling. There's a lot of self esteem issues that my husband struggles with, especially since we had our child as he's felt like he's been stuck on the outside looking in, and he thinks this is why he's been treating me how he has. I do understand this and it makes sense, but it doesn't change how he's treated me in the past and how damaging I have found it.

My husband wants me to leave my work so there's no interaction with the other man. I totally understand his point but am reluctant to do this as I'd then feel trapped.

I want to get back to a happy place with my husband. I don't want to feel trapped with him. I don't know if I can find my way back to loving him, whether all of this is coming too late after years of awful treatment. I accept I have behaved in a disgusting way and deserve all of this fall out, and am so worried about the impact on our child and how I'd manage if we separate. I am also concerned about the impact on my husband if things don't work as he has been explaining how it will crush him and he'd never be able to trust anyone again if we don't manage to work through this.

I just don't know if my heart is in this anymore, I want to be able to be happy with him and love him and our family deserves for me to work on this and fully commit to getting back on track, but I have no idea if I'll ever get back to where I need to be.

I am ashamed to admit I still have feelings for the other guy. I could obviously never be with him anyway so that is irrelevant, but it's clouding my judgement. I need to hear from people who have learnt to love their husbands again. Is that a thing? Will we ever get there?

I still can't believe any of this is happening.

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Mix56 · 14/04/2021 16:32

But they are his rules. His ultimatums. Isn't he supposed to be working on himself?
He isnt to giving you time to think because he doesn't want you to work it out.
He could accept you want a few days , or weeks & have space, & go to his family. But no. Its his way or... his way.
He even wants to muzzle you & tell you what you are allowed to talk about.
How are you going to fall back in love with this bully?

TheThermalStair · 14/04/2021 16:34

  • Perhaps you'd rather be a single mum, and him a single dad, both contributing fairly to your child's upbringing so that neither is struggling. Then after that maybe you'd like to be living with your dd and her lovely, cheery stepdad (like mine, he is great). His "logic" is based on false premises. May I recommend the book "Fantastic Fallacies and Where to Find Them"?* GrinGrinGrin

Absolutely - cannot believe he has the bare cheek to threaten you and his daughter with financial hardship, as if that’ll make you like him more!!

TheThermalStair · 14/04/2021 16:34

Ah shit now it’s me with bold fail

Mix56 · 14/04/2021 16:35

Yes, if you had no job you would be 100% trapped. Game over

Mix56 · 14/04/2021 16:37

& as for wanting constant sex after not bothering for years..
Its a territory thing, like a dog pissing on a tree

Mix56 · 14/04/2021 16:39

For Gods sake, Make sure he doesn't get you pregnant

TheThermalStair · 14/04/2021 16:42

@Mix56

For Gods sake, Make sure he doesn't get you pregnant
Fuck, that is a thought. Wouldn't be a bit surprised if this were his plan.
Cavagirl · 14/04/2021 22:33

OP you've asked for some space to think.
He could go to his family and give you that.
A few days, just some space.
He won't even do that.
This isn't a partnership, this is a fight for power, a fight of his making. It's awful reading.Flowers

Isthisit22 · 15/04/2021 06:27

@Cavagirl

OP you've asked for some space to think. He could go to his family and give you that. A few days, just some space. He won't even do that. This isn't a partnership, this is a fight for power, a fight of his making. It's awful reading.Flowers
Totally agree with this. What are you going to do OP? Please take back some control of your own life.
MazekeenSmith · 15/04/2021 07:06

Do you really believe he didn't know his behaviour was that bad all those years? Do you really think it was your responsibility to sit him down and explain why he shouldn't be abusive to you, and the fact that you didn't do that means he is owed some kind of chance now?
My dear, you are mired in the fog of this man's crazy making. You just need to bite the bullet and leave.

helplesshopeless · 15/04/2021 07:14

In response to his refusal to leave/countenance a break/shut the fuck up, perhaps it's worth explaining to him that you need some space in order to think clearly about how to move forward with improving your relationship

Great idea, I tried that tactic yesterday to explain why me needing a break had to come before working towards reconnection. He's going to take our daughter out on Saturday and Sunday morning so I can have some quiet time. So, not quite what I need but better than nothing!

Mine did this and within 3 sessions it became about how much what I'd done hurt him and how his therapist thought he should "set boundaries" with me

Gah, he did come out of his first therapy session explaining that his therapist said what happened when our daughter arrived (him feeling pushed out by me) was the worst thing that could have happened for someone like him with his struggles.

he is devastated with how his past behaviour has affected me, he says he had no idea I was so unhappy.

Bullshit does he actually believe that.

I bet he didn't behave like that to anyone else, did he?

Playing devils advocate here, if he was being genuine, would it change your analysis on the situation?

Because you can't wipe the slate clean. You have a memory. He does, too, and he won't forget.

Yes, I've seen that awful side of him now and I feel like I'll always be on the look out for it. Whilst I forgive him for the behaviour I can't ever forget it . He says he'll forgive me for what I've done as well so he doesn't get that it takes more than that to move on.

OP, you aren't going to give up your job without a new one, are you?

Definitely not- if I do leave my job it will be further down the line if I decide things may work, and it will be to move to a similar job. I don't see it happening at all though.

& as for wanting constant sex after not bothering for years..Its a territory thing, like a dog pissing on a tree

Yuck! Perhaps, also thinks 'hysterical bonding' is playing a factor, as he really wants to feel close to me and thinks it will help me feel connected to him too (I totally see how naive I sound here Grin)

Don't worry, absolutely no chance of me getting pregnant (even if we did have sex). It's a shame really as we both really want another baby.

  • OP you've asked for some space to think. He could go to his family and give you that. A few days, just some space. He won't even do that. This isn't a partnership, this is a fight for power, a fight of his making. It's awful reading.*

He says he doesn't want to impose on his family. I said I could go to an Airbnb (despite not wanting to leave my daughter) but that made him worry that I would be meeting OM there. So we've settled on him taking our daughter for a while over the weekend as a starting point.

I went out last night for a few hours to try and think, was trying to summon up feelings for him and imagine a happy future with him, but all I could think about was coparenting plans and solutions and how we could make it work. Just can't get my brain to focus on actually staying with him at all Sad

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helplesshopeless · 15/04/2021 07:17

Do you really believe he didn't know his behaviour was that bad all those years? Do you really think it was your responsibility to sit him down and explain why he shouldn't be abusive to you, and the fact that you didn't do that means he is owed some kind of chance now?My dear, you are mired in the fog of this man's crazy making. You just need to bite the bullet and leave

I just don't know! Sad he is so so dedicated to changing now, and I've already seen changes, that he is saying of course had he known earlier he would have wanted to make those changes. He said it makes him sick to know how I was feeling, and from his perspective he'd always had his temper issue, and I still married him and had a baby with him, and nothing has changed, so how was he to know how bad things were? I do think he has a point. Maybe if I'd spoken to him about it properly a year ago we'd be in a better place now.

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MazekeenSmith · 15/04/2021 07:22

How did you react when he took his temper out on you at the time?
Would a reasonable person believe you were upset by it?

HettySunshine · 15/04/2021 07:25

OP, would you be happy if a man exactly like your partner was your daughter's husband in the future?

Someone who spoke to her as he speaks to you? Someone who treated her exactly like he treats you?

If the answer is no then you have to leave. You are teaching her every day what to expect in a relationship you are teaching her to put up with a horrible man.

Both you and she deserve better.

helplesshopeless · 15/04/2021 07:25

How did you react when he took his temper out on you at the time?
Would a reasonable person believe you were upset by it?

Yes, he says he knew I was upset at the time but then after the dust settled i always seemed fine (because I was trying to avoid creating another argument), so he thought everything was ok.

I know how stupid that sounds and I've told him that, which he accepts to a certain extent, but he still maintains he had no idea that our marriage was in trouble as a result of his treatment of me.

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MazekeenSmith · 15/04/2021 07:38

He maintains - he maintains.
You need to stop accepting what he says, when it's patently illogical, false and serves his purpose.

CraftyYankee · 15/04/2021 07:43

You are unhappy. It really doesn't need to be anything more than that.

Your DD might be happy now, but kids aren't stupid. Is this the relationship model you want her to grow up thinking is normal? Because that's what she'll replicate.

How will you feel in 20 years if you see your one precious child in a marriage exactly like what you have now? And worse, know that you are the cause of it?

Find your strength to tune him out and leave.

Mix56 · 15/04/2021 08:05

Hang on, what advantage was it to him to be a total bastard for an extended period ?
We all know that feeling love & happiness is preferable to anger & pain.
Dont tell yourself he didn't know it hurt you, that it wasn't intentional, that he was unhappy with his behaviour.
It was deliberate, he says he knows it was wrong, he wouldnt do it to a work colleague. But thought you were OK with it.
He is basically a nasty piece of work, who treated you unkindly deliberately for an extended period, (actions) but says he loves you.(words)
This is simply part of the cycle if abuse, He is trying to wind you back in,
He will revert to type

QuentinWinters · 15/04/2021 08:18

Gah, he did come out of his first therapy session explaining that his therapist said what happened when our daughter arrived (him feeling pushed out by me) was the worst thing that could have happened for someone like him with his struggles.
Seriously? The worst thing for him was you loving your baby? That speaks volumes about him, it really does.

TheThermalStair · 15/04/2021 11:33

Are those his “struggles” with being a knobhead? Sorry but I find it really WEIRD and hard to believe that a therapist would actually be saying “OP was in the wrong to parent your child in the way a newborn baby needs” and that they would feel they knew their patient in the first session well enough to talk about his struggles or the last thing he needs.

TheThermalStair · 15/04/2021 11:35

That’s great you’ll have some quiet time at the weekend (let’s wait and see if he sabotages it by crying off or coming home early to see if you’re in bed with OM).

Is going to air bnb with your daughter not an option? I know it’s not very restful with a toddler but presumably she does go to bed at some point at which point you’d have thinking time.

ravenmum · 15/04/2021 11:48

all I could think about was coparenting plans and solutions and how we could make it work. Just can't get my brain to focus on actually staying with him at all
Your heart is one step ahead of your head!

You don't have to make a decision now. How about if you plan for both options; staying and leaving? That way you could give him a while to see how long he can keep up the good guy act, but also use that time to have everything prepared so you know exactly what you will do if you choose to leave. Things are much less scary when you have a plan.

ravenmum · 15/04/2021 11:48

And what is to stop him going off to an AirBNB for a weekend?

ravenmum · 15/04/2021 11:51

what happened when our daughter arrived (him feeling pushed out by me) was the worst thing that could have happened for someone like him with his struggles
This makes no sense, though. Him feeling pushed out by you was his reaction to the perfectly normal situation of you having a baby to look after. That feeling was not something you did. It wasn't a bad thing that happened to him.

Cavagirl · 15/04/2021 12:05

@ravenmum

And what is to stop him going off to an AirBNB for a weekend?
This. Also, you say He says he doesn't want to impose on his family. I said I could go to an Airbnb (despite not wanting to leave my daughter) but that made him worry that I would be meeting OM there. This is extremely revealing. It shows where his head is at (any time I let her out of my sight she might be with OM) and it also shows where he believes your head is at - not figuring out your marriage or how to move forward, he believes if he's not keeping you where he can see you and focused entirely on him, you'll be straight off to continue with OM. So with that thinking, of course he wants you to quit your job. Sorry OP, even if you wanted to salvage it, I don't think you can, and it's clearer and clearer reading your posts your heart isn't in it either (for good reasons). You're twisting yourself in knots trying to find a way to reconcile yourself to staying in the marriage because "it's the right thing to do" and because you feel guilty about the affair, but really it seems like you're just waiting for someone to give you permission to end it. And you can give yourself that.