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Is this symbolic of our entire relationship? Am I overreacting?

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Gathertherainbows · 02/04/2021 11:33

I’m prepared to be told I’m overreacting
Several times in the last couple of weeks DH has left his key in the other side of the door so that when I get back with the dc we cannot get in.
He’s usually then busy on a work call (wfh) and although he knows we are there we have waited up to an hour for him to come and take his key out of the door so we can get in.
It’s usually been about half an hour but last week it was an hour and dd had to go to the toilet in the garden. We can get in the garden via the gate but still not into the house. She cried a lot because she just wanted to get in the house. In the end I took them down to the shop and came back but still couldn’t get in.
Maybe I just don’t understand how important business is but I don’t see why he couldn’t just say he had to go and open the door - he could even have blamed me and said he didn’t have his key.
I do feel it’s a bit symbolic of how we are, no way would I leave him outside with the dc - having been out since 7.30am themselves - for an hour just waiting around.

OP posts:
Eekay · 03/04/2021 08:43

If my DH treated me with such utter contempt, I would assume that he actually despised me and my rage on the DC's behalf would've been volcanic..
I can't believe you're so passive about this OP.

Milliepossum · 03/04/2021 08:43

@Gathertherainbows

I am surprised by how angry other posters think I should be. I was annoyed but not that annoyed. I know it’s not great but it was only half an hour the first couple of times and then an hour. And when I’ve told people IRL no one has suggested it was abusive or anything other than an inconvenience. I felt it was symbolic of his attitude which is why I asked here, but I really didn’t expect people to think it was so shocking. I’ve told my parents and a couple of friends and no one has done anything more than roll their eyes. For me it’s just something else to note down and remember in terms of behaviour that illustrates where we are in the pecking order, should I so need it at a later date.
They’re probably rolling their eyes at how ridiculous you are to let him treat you and your daughter that way and are sick of hearing you excuse him for being an asshole.
Milliepossum · 03/04/2021 08:44

I can’t keep reading this thread, it doesn’t sound normal.

FantasticButtocks · 03/04/2021 08:45

Well, it sounds like you just find it mildly annoying! And, yes from what you've said, it does seem representative of your relationship.

Do you feel like talking about it with him?

Mylovelyhorsee · 03/04/2021 08:45

I spoke to my husband about this thread, as I often forget my keys and he’s always on “important” work calls. I asked him how long did he think was appropriate to leave his family on the doorstep he said 5 mins max. He said no one cares if you leave for 30seconds.

This is a deeply upsetting thread as I’m not sure you e woken up to how badly you’re being abused and like a pp said your family have to keep ties with you so probably hold their tongue on how little they think of him.

Op a whole 22 pages of posters can’t be wrong can they!?

Hollyhocksarenotmessy · 03/04/2021 08:46

Locking you out once is a mistake.

Locking you out several times is deliberate.

CherryDocsInYrBalls · 03/04/2021 08:48

You are under reacting because you are being abused and you need to protect yourself from him, so minimising and under reacting is what the brain does. Read "why does he do that" by Lundy Bancroft. King of the castle is the profile of an abusive man. Just google that phrase and abuse and you will see. It doesn't matter if your friends and family roll their eyes at your daughter being forced to toilet in the garden like a dog, they aren't living that life and living that humiliation. You and your DC are and it's abusive. None of us would roll our eyes and shrug at being locked out like naughty dogs. Question everything and when you're ready contact women's aid and ask for help

sunnydays78 · 03/04/2021 08:49

Once is a mistake more than once he just doesn’t regard you or your children that highly. The other things you describe sound like he’s just keeping you in your place by the constant little reminders that’s he’s better or more important than you. To have his child go to the toilet in the garden because he could get up from his desk for one minute. I would have been livid op.

Palavah · 03/04/2021 08:51

I’ve told my parents and a couple of friends and no one has done anything more than roll their eyes.

Is it possibly because they've heard and seen what he's like several times before and yet still you haven't left him?

When is this 'later date'? When will be enough, if not after he has repeatedly locked you and your daughter out of the house and watched her piss herself in the garden? What is your daughter learning about relationships? What is enough?

seven201 · 03/04/2021 08:51

@Gathertherainbows

He just said sorry, I was on an important call. Then he went upstairs again. He didn’t mention it again. Any of the times.
That's not good enough. It's just so disrespectful of not only his wife but his kids. Who does that to their kids in the cold? A one off you could possibly argue is ok, but 3 times and for so long. No. It's a power play. He sounds vile!
Quartz2208 · 03/04/2021 08:53

Yes I think your underreaction and mere annoyance at such an act is because of the systematic wearing down he has done on you. The fact he cant even bother to take the key out of the door and then come and get you is awful.

You have you told in real life that didnt say how terrible this was. I think the real thing here is he left his children outside for a long time that is borderline neglect.

No meeting would mind him popping to open the door.

Can you replace the door handle/lock so this doesnt happen.

JosephineBaker · 03/04/2021 08:53

I can’t believe what I’ve read.

Locked out for half and hour twice then for a full hour when your child had to pee in the garden???

I’d be incandescent.

Mikethenight2good · 03/04/2021 08:53

@FrangipaniBlue

I've left my key in the back of the door before when DS or DH came home and I was on a work call.

I just say "oh sorry give me 2 minutes I've accidentally locked DS/DH out!"

I nip downstairs, unlock the door and go back up.

Not sure what his big deal is why he has to make you wait an hour other than that he's a bit of a dickhead.

Same with me....I have done it and nipped down to let them in. I would never leave them outside like that. That's very cruel.
MayIDestroyYou · 03/04/2021 08:54

"Daddy makes us wait outside the house for an hour. So I had to wee in the garden. Mummy didn't make him open the door."

I, too, if I heard this from a child, would be considering whether the children were safe in that household ...

daisychain01 · 03/04/2021 08:55

For me it’s just something else to note down and remember in terms of behaviour that illustrates where we are in the pecking order, should I so need it at a later date.

So, you're putting your life on hold, kicking the can down the road by noting his appalling behaviour down in a book in case you decide to take some action.

It is easier to do what you're doing, it creates less disruption on a day to day basis, but the harm it does your DC is cumulative and long lasting.

Every one of these micro-deeds your DC are subjected to will gradually, slowly but surely give them the message they aren't worth anything, they're self esteem will be eroded. It will be invisible, they won't say anything day to day but it will be absorbed.

I'm not of the view that you should put a brick through the window, violence will give your DC an equally pernicious message, but I cannot believe that you can possibly love a man who has his mentality.

It's your life and your choice so all I can do is wish you and your DC good luck.

CraftyYankee · 03/04/2021 08:55

Are you used to being treated as the least important person OP? What was your family situation growing up? Do your friends turn to you for support but not offer much back?

I'm just trying to understand how people could shrug and not be outraged on your behalf by this treatment.

NoSquirrels · 03/04/2021 09:00

@Gathertherainbows

I am surprised by how angry other posters think I should be. I was annoyed but not that annoyed. I know it’s not great but it was only half an hour the first couple of times and then an hour. And when I’ve told people IRL no one has suggested it was abusive or anything other than an inconvenience. I felt it was symbolic of his attitude which is why I asked here, but I really didn’t expect people to think it was so shocking. I’ve told my parents and a couple of friends and no one has done anything more than roll their eyes. For me it’s just something else to note down and remember in terms of behaviour that illustrates where we are in the pecking order, should I so need it at a later date.
Look. The first time, it was an inconvenience and maybe - but ONLY maybe - he was on such an important call he couldn’t get away, he didn’t realise you were there etc. But he should have been mortified when he realised. What good father makes their small child stand out in the cold?

When it happened again you should have been livid - you should. I don’t know why you’re not, I suppose it is the boiling frog, you are so used to this awful treatment it’s normal.

When it happened and you were locked out for AN HOUR with the children, with your DS hammering on the door, with your DD wailing because she didn’t want to wet herself, when he watched her go to the toilet in the garden and STILL DIDN’T LET YOU IN, when he just said “sorry” and that was it, no further discussion...

No.

It’s not normal. It’s not kind. It’s not respectful.

It’s humiliating (for you AND for your DC who were begging Daddy to open the door). It’s dismissive, arrogant and contemptuous.

And it’s happened multiple times.

What your parents and friends rolling their eyes tells me is that a) they don’t expect better of your husband - it’s not remotely out of character - b) that you weren’t upset when you told them because you think it’s within the bounds of normal and c) that maybe your parents in particular are something to do with why your standards for acceptable treatment in a relationship are so low. (Or perhaps d) they don’t think you’ll listen to criticism of him.)

When you say ‘if perhaps you’ll need it at a later date’ - don’t be that boiling frog. Your children are learning this is how relationships work - the husband can’t be criticised or expected to change and the wife and children must put up with whatever the husband decides. That’s damaging for your son and your daughter.

You’d get different responses if your husband had seemed remotely chastened and apologetic. And if you seemed more disturbed by this.

I know a key in the door can happen easily. I’ve done it to my DH and he’s done it to me. But regardless of what’s going on - one of us in the shower, or in the middle of work, or whatever, we drop what we’re doing to fix the situation for the other person. No one stands there for more than 2 minutes.

Key in the door - normal, if annoying.
Your husband’s behaviour - very very not normal.

MayIDestroyYou · 03/04/2021 09:02

I'm not of the view that you should put a brick through the window, violence will give your DC an equally pernicious message

But it isn't 'violence'. It's taking necessary action to gain entry to your home. No need to conflate two different things - particularly when that gives the wider impression that women must sit and simper and take no action to assert their rights, or their children's rights.

Bluebirdhumming · 03/04/2021 09:04

I agree with the PP who said your family and friends still have to maintain a relationship with him so their responses and reactions will be filtered.

I'm sorry you don't see the situation for what it is, but from what you've said there are lots of other instances that are owly starting to add up. It's good you posted here. I hope you post again at the next thing that makes you think "What's going on here". It can take a very long time to realise your situation is abusive. Speaking from experience. You'll be glad to have the support of the strangers/MN posters when you do make that realisation and need support to leave.

Family life sounds dysfunctional. Is this what you want to continue normalising for your children?

MolyHolyGuacamole · 03/04/2021 09:04

I leave my key in the back door all the time when I'm home - it's just a safe place to keep them, and it means they're right there if I need to let the dog in/out.

I leave my key on the inside of the door, that's where it lives. But, I live alone so noone is ever locked out.

But neither of these relate to OP's experience. It is neither the back door that she is referring to nor does she live alone.

It makes absolutely no sense for someone to repeatedly leave a key in the main door into the house when other people are expected to come through it, yet there will always be posters saying 'but me! But me!' When their situation is totally different

MissBPotter · 03/04/2021 09:06

I’ve told my parents and a couple of friends and no one has done anything more than roll their eyes.

Really? Is that because they know how passive you are? I couldn’t stand this!! My DH can’t hear doorbell where his office is, but the one time I forgot my key (my fault entirely!) he left his meeting for a min to let me in. Of course he did, he’s a normal human being!! To keep doing this is unacceptable. Not exactly been lovely warm weather recently either has it!!
I couldn’t bear this, seeing my cold, tired and desperate for the loo dc being locked outside by my selfish twat of a DH would make me want to leave him!

Teensandfuture · 03/04/2021 09:08

I have work calls that I just can't innerrupt, but it's only 2 of them once a month and they both last 1 hr each.

Having said that my front door is unlocked during the day, specifically to avoid this sort of thing.

MolyHolyGuacamole · 03/04/2021 09:08

OP do packages just get left on the doorstep if they arrive while he's on a call?

bluelemming · 03/04/2021 09:08

Put a label on the door saying DO NOT LEAVE KEY IN LOCK.

Then seek help for dealing with your abusive marriage.

Wishing you loads of luck and strength. I was in a marriage like this. Life without these people in it is brilliant.

GravityFalls · 03/04/2021 09:08

What I find most sinister is the escalating amounts of time he leaves you all out there and the upping of the ante (eg the toilet situation). He’s literally training you to accept being out there longer and longer. One day, I bet he does it and lets you in quickly, you’ll think it’s all over, then after a while you’ll get locked out again and it’ll be the longest ever that time. It’s classic conditioning.