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Damn Mother in Law 🤬

158 replies

Hadenough2021 · 21/03/2021 15:48

Long story so buckle up.

I’ve been with my partner 10 years, married for nearly 1 year with an 8 year old daughter. My MIL has been a constant source of pain and suffering since the day I met her. Everything from writing me a letter asking me to have an abortion at 4 months pregnant because she felt we were too young to providing a list of criticism from our wedding (that she threatened not to attend on many occasions).

The wedding feedback was the final straw for me. Imagine pouring your heart and soul into planning something for over a year spending every penny you have, contending with covid and many restrictions to finally getting married (and feeling incredibly grateful as many haven’t been able to yet) just to have it trashed by your MIL and her inability to think before she speaks. So that’s it for me, it’s better for my own mental health that I take a step back from seeing her. I wouldn’t dream of stopping my husband from having a relationship with her. He’s had 35 years to learn to ignore her/placate her and he managed to take it all in his stride, it certainly doesn’t affect him like it does me. Mind you he’s incapable of standing up to her or defending me/our family.

But tell me this, is it acceptable that every Sunday afternoon/night (uniform ironing, lunch boxes, housework, bath and early to bed) is it acceptable that I get left with all the chores because he gets summonsed to visit her? And it’s not just Sunday’s. It’s an evening in the week plus many phone calls in the evenings. When do I take priority as his wife? We both work full time but it seems like I get lumbered with everything as soon as MIL clicks her fingers. I’ve really had enough. She brings nothing but pain and his inability to stand up to her or defend us is really dragging me down.

OP posts:
Azuretwist · 21/03/2021 18:17

So he has broken UK’s lockdown rules every week then, as indoor meeting has not been allowed in lockdown’s?

Standrewsschool · 21/03/2021 18:20

Boundaries, boundaries, boundaries.

You need to create when he prioritises her. If you’re about to go for a walk, and he answers the phone and makes moves to visit her, then make a fuss. Ask him why he’s running to mummy.

If he priories her on your anniversary, I would be tempted to have a mega-sulk. Make it plain that he is privatising her over you, and that’s not right.

Does she phone several times during the evening? If so, maybe suggest he only answers one call a night. She doesn’t need to phone frequently.

If she demands he visits, then maybe find out why he needs to visit? I

It seems it’s a control thing. Mil can’t let go if her son, or is jealous of you.

Why does he feel the need to drop everything for her? What would happen if he didn’t visit? Or answer the phone?

Pokske · 21/03/2021 18:22

I've been in a similar position to yours a long time ago (minus the children).
In the end I said to my partner that I was not ever going to see her, he could go and do as he wanted because she's his mother. I did not want her to visit in my presence and I did not want him to discuss anything related to me with her.
This way, I was out of it and my partner was free to go and see her. He also had a problem with his bossy mingling mother, so he understood.
Visiting every single sunday, as if you have nothing else going on in your life, poor you ! Lots of strength, don't let her win !

abeanbaked · 21/03/2021 18:30

I went out with a guy who was completely attached to his mother, I blamed her but it was really his fault too. She used to say 'oh look I'll do all your washing and ironing, if you were to move out Siobhan wouldn't do that for you', she would tell him he didn't have to see as much of me and it would be nice for him to have tea with just them 5 times a week, she left her husband and told my ex bf that she needed him to stay with her because she couldn't cope on her own. She hated the idea of him leaving her home to live with me. And she was right, I wouldn't do all of his fucking ironing.

She was a crack pot, but he ran to her every single time. I ended up resenting both of them and I dumped him. I understand it's not that easy when you're married and have a child but I don't think these men tend to change.

Buttonfm · 21/03/2021 18:37

So if she rings, he drops everything and goes to her.

Why not, after he's been there 2-3 hours, phone him and say he's needed at home for bath and bedtime.

Would he come home if you asked?

HTH1 · 21/03/2021 18:43

I agree with the PP who said to restructure your routine and move all chores to the Saturday. You can just do the sandwiches for the lunchboxes on Sunday (so they don’t get soggy) and he can do the cleaning on Saturday or a weeknight in return. The ironing can be done any time before he leaves on the Sunday (not left for after he returns as he may be “too tired” and not bother).

Make sure you have a nice glass of wine while DP does the Sat evening baths and bedtime routine in return for your doing them on Sunday. Sunday mornings can be your family outing time then Sunday afternoons can be time for you and the DC to relax while DH enjoys MIL’s company.

Redjumper1 · 21/03/2021 19:03

As someone who has a similar MIL, I'd echo that you definitely have a dH problem. Couples counselling might help.

mrurddhasabitpart · 21/03/2021 19:13

Op I'm unsure why you haven't had a conversation with your dh about this? Have you told him you feel sidelined and ignored? What does he say? If you have plans and he gets a call why don't you say "wtf dh? We we're going for a walk aren't we? Are you going to just ditch me?" Surely his responses to these questions and issues are your answer.

I know you don't want to hear it as you seem very focused on only considering your mils behaviour. You KNOW her behaviour is awful. You KNOW she's a bitch. You cannot control that, you have absolutely made the right decision in distancing yourself. Your issue isn't how she behaves. It's how your husband behaves. You know she's an uncontrollable negative Bitch influence, but your husband is choosing to ditch you, to cancel your plans in favour of his mum, to change plans last minute, to spend more time there than home etc- those are his choices and it is his choices which are the problem. You know she's not going to be considerate of you, but of course you expect your dh to be. Right now he's not......

SandyY2K · 21/03/2021 19:15

but is it ok that she clicks her fingers and off he goes regardless of what our family had planned or needed to do?

This is your DHs fault, not his mum's. A grown man should be able to tell his mum he has plans and can't come over.

Motnight · 21/03/2021 19:22

@Hadenough2021

Piss off batman.
To be honest I thought that it was a name change fail
Babygotblueyes · 21/03/2021 19:29

It sounds like he has an insecure attachment style which she has fostered through his life- if a child learns that he cannot rely on his parents (particularly his mother) and that approval or attention can be removed at any time, it can lead to a life time of trying to figure out the way to win that approval. And they also learn to feel that anger is catastrophic and must be avoided at all costs. Sometimes when people get into a relationship or marriage, this helps them to break away from this pattern, but a lot of people really struggle with it and it can become a major issue in the marriage.

So, what can you do? It depends if he wants to change or not. He can learn how to react differently, sort through his issues in therapy and learn to prioritize the family he has made rather than the one he came from and counselling could help with that. But it wont be easy and your MIL will up to ante to keep him hooked in.

The fact that he drops everything when she clicks her fingers is desperately unfair on you and not to be tolerated. But it is a difficult situation and there is a good chance he may not be able to break away from this dysfunctional relationship. Hugs to you all.

Aldidl · 21/03/2021 19:33

I’ve re-read all your posts, OP, but I can’t figure out if you have spoken with your DH about how you feel about this specific thing? About the dropping existing plans thing, rather than just how much or why he sees his mother.

It’s specifically the cancelling plans/chores/disrupting your plans by going thing rather than any other issue.

Colourmeclear · 21/03/2021 19:49

What stops you from having the conversation with your husband? Are you afraid he won't chose you? If you continue to put your energy in hating his mother, nothing will change and your resentment will grow. I think couples counseling would be really good here even if it's just to improve your communication with eachother.

ktp100 · 21/03/2021 19:58

I'd be keeping tabs of how long he's over there each week then telling him you'll be going out in the evenings for the same amount of time. I'd also make sure that half of the prep for school etc is left for him for when he gets home.

He needs to remember who he's married to.

ktp100 · 21/03/2021 20:02

Forgot to say - this is ALL about her proving that SHE has control.

If your DH can't see that he's frankly pathetic.

MrsCBY · 21/03/2021 20:30

He’s had 35 years to learn to ignore her/placate her and he managed to take it all in his stride, it certainly doesn’t affect him like it does me. Mind you he’s incapable of standing up to her or defending me/our family.

He will prioritise her over EVERYTHING.

You don’t see that he didn’t take it all in his stride at all? He’s a badly damaged man. But the way he copes is by pretending it’s all fine and normal, and, as you say, prioritising her over everyone and everything, including his own wife and child. Which was not the deal when he married you.

You are indeed enabling him by putting all the blame on her. She and his father made him like this originally, yes, but he’s an adult now and it’s up to him how he responds to her as an adult. He is choosing to prioritise her because she’s made him terrified of not doing so, but it’s still his choice now he’s an adult. And you either accept his choices and live with them, or you don’t, and you challenge them.

You can rail against her all you like but it’s not going to change anything. I think you have to think about what you wanted when you posted here. Did you just want to vent, and for people to agree your MIL is awful? She does sound truly awful, but there’s nothing more you can actually do beyond refusing to see her, as you have done. So the problem now is your DH’s behaviour. Which is also awful, but you have to see that for yourself.

Do you want things to change? If so, what are you prepared to do to make change happen? I could say your DH’s behaviour would be a dealbreaker for me, but is it for you? Are you prepared to put up with this for the foreseeable future? Because no matter how many people on MN agree your MIL sounds awful, you’ll still be living with this in five, 10, 20 years time unless you do something about it, because no one else in this scenario has any motivation to change things.

So you need to think about what you’re prepared to accept, or not. What you’re prepared to do, or not. What could you do, or not do, that would actually make him take notice and realise he’s got something to lose here if he doesn’t get his act together? Don’t make any threats that you’re not actually prepared to follow through on. But do ask yourself if this is how you want the rest of your married life and your DD’s childhood to be.

That’s my two penn’orth, FWIW, though I’m not sure you’re here to listen to what you don’t want to hear. It’s interesting that the only suggestion you responded positively to was the one based on working around your DH’s crap behaviour, not challenging it. That’s exactly what people mean when they say you’re enabling him. And what happens anyway when she snaps her fingers and wants him round on a Saturday instead of a Sunday?

And I have to say I’m baffled at your extremely rude response to Batman’s helpful post. Unless you completely misinterpreted her second post (about the typos) as referring to your post, instead of her own? If it was just about her (correctly) referring to your DH as a wet lettuce, and you just can’t acknowledge how crap and unacceptable his behaviour is, then it looks like you’ll be moaning about your MIL for a long, long time.

Finally, read the book Toxic In-Laws by Susan Forward if you want a wider perspective on this.

MmeLaraque · 21/03/2021 20:39

@wandawombat

The absolutely best thing about my DH is that he's very aware of his DM's idiosyncrasies and has my back. It's priceless.

My in-laws have amazing boundaries, it's a lesson in how to manage relationships and I should have taken note years ago.

MY DH absolutely is very aware of his DM's "idiosyncracies", (as is our teen) too. There are times when she calls that DH makes it clear that he is not available. He does go and see/support her regularly, because she's his mum, but when he and teen return (I rarely go, because I'm usually baking/reading/doing Stuff Wot Absolutely Must Be Done (mowing the lawn/reading a piece of legislation/enjoying time to myself), teen is usually speechless at something granny has done, and DH will be commiserating with our teen, and confirming that she's a daft old bat, and fairly harmless. Utterly trapped by her own ignorance, but a reasonably harmless old bugger.

We are NC with my mother. She's under police instruction to not contact or approach us. Last time she tried, she got a visit from Plod.

We teach our teen that boundaries matter. Anyone messing with them is dealt with appropriately.

Woodlandbelle · 21/03/2021 20:44

I wouldnt leave the uniform and lunches until Sunday night. Bath them Sunday morning. Minday I always give crackers and fruit / yoghurt and make the lunch early so I can enjoy the day.

But yes she is awful. I would avoid her. I would send the dc with him on a Sunday and get an hour to yourself. That's what I do.

Geneswoman · 21/03/2021 20:48

I really feel for you OP and it sounds like you are married to my ex-husband except for the fact he would be older than your DH. It was exactly the same scenario and unless you have been through similar you really can't understand. Advice? Well as someone who has been there, I blamed myself 'Was I too jealous? Did I have unreasonable expectations?' I felt like I was in a 'tug of war' that I'd never signed up for. People saying 'he needs to change' it doesn't happen by magic does it. I think you probably both would benefit from Relate Counselling as we had. We did split in the end not really for this reason but it didn't help. The relief when she was out of my life was immeasurable. I am now married to someone with a healthy relationship to his Mum and guess what? I think the world of her and have a great relationship with her too. Please PM me if you want to chat more but I just wanted to say I really do understand and it is very hard on you.

HollowTalk · 21/03/2021 20:48

Can't you take advantage of it and make sure he takes the children every time he goes, giving you time alone? He can bring them back in time for a bath.

Do the lunchboxes and ironing or whatever on Sunday morning to get it out of the way.

Make sure you say you're going to have a lovely time while they're all out.

optimistic40 · 21/03/2021 21:12

Yep, I'm with HollowTalk. Either he takes the child/ren each time and you do fun things (after lockdown, see friends, get out, make sure he has to get the kid/s to bed when he gets in, because you are still out), or sometimes take the child/ren out with you to friends or for a film. Get the boring chores done Saturday.

Honestly, I wouldn't get drawn into her BS. The list wedding complaints is just ridiculous and says nothing about you, only her. No smile in the photos, MIL? Trying smiling then! Grin

P999 · 21/03/2021 23:05

I'm not sure I agree it's pointless to challenge her. She's bang out of order, and I think you should make your boundaries clear. I never did, and ended up exploding one day and calling her a shit stirring cunt! Funnily enough, we are NC, separated from her son, and it's not the ideal way to handle things (although I still smile when I remember the look on her face...)

Nanny0gg · 22/03/2021 01:00

@Hadenough2021

Piss off batman.
She was referring to her typos not yours!
CaraherEIL · 22/03/2021 01:41

I think she knows she has really pissed you off about the wedding and because you are now no longer seeing her she is proving to you that she has the upper hand by making him jump and making you watch.

CaraherEIL · 22/03/2021 02:04

How does your husband feel about you no longer seeing his mother? Does he deep down share your feelings about her behaviour around your wedding or do you think he doesn’t see it in the same way as you and is trying In some way to compensate his mother with attention because you have cut her off?
Would he agree to trying to start in small ways to manage her behaviour if you will allow that it will make him feel very uncomfortable. If he can start to practice saying no and establishing the beginnings of healthier boundaries then she will overtime be forced to respect that. I think the fact that when you got together you were very young and she has perceived you both as a couple of kids she has never been forced to re-evaluate you as a mature married couple. To write to you suggesting you abort your pregnancy is very dominant behaviour and I would imagine a difficult memory for you to recover from especially as that child is here also if that letter was written bypassing her son it’s scary controlling.