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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 10:33

@YoniAndGuy

The most important people here are your children. Please get them away from this man, divorce and set up a new, honest, loving home before they are of the age to leave it, and give them the mental space to draw their own conclusions about their pig of a father

You are absolutely right. But I divorcing him won’t get them away from him, he’s their father and they are teenagers and they have a right to see him. And I have no doubt he will use money to control them.

Don't be still there at 75, in a house with Pig, wondering why your kids as adults make every excuse under the sun to not really bother with you both

I won’t. Divorce has always been on the cards, it’s just a matter of time. Lockdown hasn’t helped of course - the kids being off school / college and us both working from home ( he’s been away a lot less ) . All that togetherness is tough, even in a happy marriage.

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GabsAlot · 26/02/2021 10:33

Wow what a nasty prick he is-sounds like hes ramped it up recently with his lies and thats why shes decided to not have you there

did he even apologise for lying all these years?

strudsespark · 26/02/2021 10:34

@YoniAndGuy

Why the fuck are we still talking about Helen?

OP, what you need to do right now is go to a solicitor and plan out how to start and go through with a divorce which will take this absolute pig of a man to the cleaners.

Before you even start it I'd be temped to make sure any valuables which are even half reasonably 'yours' disappear from your joint house - jewellery or furniture items - to a safe place.

Before you tell him, make sure you get absolutely every shred of paperwork you can get your hands on.

Find the most Rottweiler solicitor you can.

Do it asap so that he owes child support for as long as possible.

You are actually in a strong position working in his business - the typical female partner who is now at a disadvantage because of her 'unseen' contribution. Believe me, a good lawyer will make sure that contribution is seen.

Fuck Helen, she sounds as unpleasant as her father. Who gives a shit what he said and when and why. There'll be some nasty reason. Just be pleased it's been the catalyst for you to get out.

This isn't just about Helen or your H though. The most important people here are your children. Please get them away from this man, divorce and set up a new, honest, loving home before they are of the age to leave it, and give them the mental space to draw their own conclusions about their pig of a father.

Don't be still there at 75, in a house with Pig, wondering why your kids as adults make every excuse under the sun to not really bother with you both.

They'll work him out, don't still be his bloody servant when they do.

You've got time now to start out in your own place and you WILL get a fair settlement. Do it.

This, op even though you say it is not doable with dc's school, this could work. Atleast explore your options.

SoulofanAggron · 26/02/2021 10:35

He is horrible @R0SEMARY . Affairs, calling women 'fat and ugly,' now this slandering you to both get at your daughter and make himself feel powerful.

I would tell Helen what he's been doing, to try and clear your name, but detatch yourself from any outcome there. Doesn't sound like you've lost much if you don't have much to do with her in future anyway.

Please find a way to leave. xxx

ilovemydogandMrObama · 26/02/2021 10:36

Here's a scenario - the step daughter's partner is very controlling, so possibly it went along the lines of re evaluating the numbers due to pandemic, in addition to thinking along the lines of it being, 'their day,' and since apparently the OP has not been supportive of their relationship, she doesn't make the list.

But am not sure that even telling step daughter about her dad would make much of a difference, cognitive dissidence for sure.

I would just let it ride, send a gift from you, with a note saying you are so happy she has found someone, keep it light and positive.

And divorce the douche bag.

mainsfed · 26/02/2021 10:36

You have listed off many character flaws of Helen, all apparantly in your DH's worse, but then dripfed that actually, you agreed with him on some of it, then go on to call Helen a bridezilla and that you never wanted to go to her wedding anyway.

It's fine to defend someone but disagree with some of things they do. Is this a novel concept?!

harriethoyle · 26/02/2021 10:36

I don't say this very often but your husband is an absolute prick and you need to leave him. Far better for the kids to be in a rental house than see this appalling behaviour go unchecked...

harriethoyle · 26/02/2021 10:38

YY @YoniAndGuy I agree with every word

Shetoshe · 26/02/2021 10:44

Jesus what a nasty man you're married to OP. I'd absolutely get rid of him and by extension you'd be free from Helen's dramas and nonsense too. Win bloody win IMO.

R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 10:45

did he even apologise for lying all these years?

No he never apologises. He didn’t even apologise for cheating and he still gaslights me about it

“ Just because you can prove that we spent the night in a hotel together doesn’t prove that we had sex. You just think what you what to think regardless of the facts”.

There were many nights and many hotels. And he took a great deal of money from our joint account to give to one of his affair partners. But no, that was just a loan and she was going to pay it back but then I found out and made a fuss and hurt her feelings so she didn’t. So that was my fault too.

About the lies to Helen - he says he doesn't know why he did it and he will talk to this therapist about it.

I’ve asked him how he’s go to fix it and he doesn't know that either. I’ve said it’s not about going to the wedding - it’s about his years of lies.

BTW I by “fix it “ I don’t mean make our marriage work, that’s long over. But even when we divorce I will still have to have some dealings with Helen as she’s my children’s half sibling.

I’m 100% certain John will never admit to any of this to Helen. He NEVER backs down or apologises ever. It’s caused huge issues at work and with his extended family. He will fall out with people for decades rather than compromise.

I think it’s made me go too much the other way and accommodate people and put up with things too much.

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Shetoshe · 26/02/2021 10:46

Also, Helen is possibly the way she is in some part due to her shit father. Don't let your own DC suffer the same. Get them away from his misogynistic, homophobic, cruel influence.

MMMarmite · 26/02/2021 10:51

Can't believe one of your children is bi, possibly that, and you still think it's best "for the children" that you all live in a house with this homophobic twat. Honestly they won't thank you for it.

theleafandnotthetree · 26/02/2021 10:51

[quote KitKatty55]@SausageBeanz - I’m with you on this, I don’t think OP is being honest about everything, in her recent posts she’s pretty much made it clear she dislikes her step daughter. OP I think Helen can see through you, hence the uninvite.[/quote]
If even half of what the OP has written here were true, how could she do anything but dislike this person who sounds completely dislikeable! Is it because she is a stepmother that she is expected to have an infinite well of sympathy and care. If I raised my own children to end up like that I'd be ashamed of them and of myself and I might love them but I damn well wouldn't expect to like them

MMMarmite · 26/02/2021 10:51

*possibly gay

LeopardPrintKnickers · 26/02/2021 10:52

Oh OP, he really is a piece of work.

Surely, as you're married whenever he gives Helen, or anyone else, money - that's your money too, regardless of whose account it comes out of? Same as the loan for one of his affairs?

Also, you've contributed massively to the success of his business, so doesn't that make it partly your business too? Are you a director? Can he buy you out?

Same with the houses - you used your equity as deposit for the marital home and if you can prove that, you should get a better deal from the split of assets.

It's most definitely time to harden up and take action. As others have said, time for a great lawyer and a cold heart. You can do this, he deserves nothing other than contempt.

Good luck!

R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 10:53

Here's a scenario - the step daughter's partner is very controlling, so possibly it went along the lines of re evaluating the numbers due to pandemic, in addition to thinking along the lines of it being, 'their day,' and since apparently the OP has not been supportive of their relationship, she doesn't make the list

That all sounds very plausible, as Helen has only invited 6 of her family members out of the 80 guests. And yes of course I agree it’s totally their day, that’s true for every wedding.

But it’s hard to say I’m not supportive when she has chosen to involve me in lots of the planning. She didn’t need to do this - there’s 4 bridesmaids, two brides and two mothers of the bride - She’s not short of people.

Well three bridesmaids now - one has apparently just been sacked because she will be heavily pregnant and she and her husband didn’t have the courtesy to arrange their fertility around the revised wedding plans Hmm .

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theleafandnotthetree · 26/02/2021 10:55

@slashlover

I don't know what Helen has done wrong. As a troubled teenager, her father was never there and instead left her with her SM, who he told her hated/disapproved of her so she lashed out. Possibly looking for her dad's attention?

As an adult she uninvited the woman who she has been told was homophobic and did nothing but say nasty things about her and her partner.

You're right. She sounds a delight! Apart of course from assaulting her pregnant step-mother, being a total bridezilla, a thief (the 20k uni fees), obsessed with money and inheritance and those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head.
TheABC · 26/02/2021 10:55

What a toxic mess.

Even if you don't want to go immediately OP, I would start making plans now. Because you know he's going to try and control/punish you through the divorce with money. That could include

  • refusing to move out/sell up
  • running down the business to avoid paying you what it's worth
  • removing cash from the joint account or hiding assets
  • deliberately getting into debt or giving cash away to his family, so you don't get anything
  • refusing to fund your children through college/university to punish you.

You will really need a strong strategy and a lot of patience to combat this. I would start a "fuck it" escape fund, so you have a financial way out and build up a portfolio of work examples and references so you can get another job without relying on his goodwill (especially when the divorce kicks off). Get recommendations for a good lawyer who is experienced in coercive control and financial abuse. I would also contact Women's Aid - they are used to this and can advise you.

Thank goodness your kids are teenagers, making it more likely they will see through his controlling behaviour.

As for Helen, write that letter and then leave the ball in her court. You will not have the time or energy to expand on her in the coming weeks. At least you do not have to spend all weekend in a hotel with your husband.

poorbuthappy · 26/02/2021 10:56

As you are living more or less separate lives, I would kick off divorce proceedings now and just carry on.
He can say all he likes but it will all come out in the wash. It can be down to the courts to decide.

R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 10:56

@Shetoshe

Also, Helen is possibly the way she is in some part due to her shit father. Don't let your own DC suffer the same. Get them away from his misogynistic, homophobic, cruel influence.
You guys know I can’t do that, right? He will still see then even once we divorce . I’m not going to tell them they can’t see their father, even if I could.
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TatianaBis · 26/02/2021 10:56

Helen has spent her life controlled manipulated by your DH and now she's got a controlling partner.

It's a moot point who pulled the trigger - DH or her DP.

It's all toxic fallout of a toxic situation around a toxic man.

GabsAlot · 26/02/2021 10:56

he jsut sounds so awful- i would tell the dc the truth theyre old enough to know and yes its their father but they can then decide what they want to do with the information

harknesswitch · 26/02/2021 10:57

Speak to a solicitor and find out your position re the house and divorcing your dh

Get copies of all legal documents

He may refuse to leave the house but he can't stop you from divorcing him and you can force a sale if needed, he also gets no choice in having mh to pay child maint either. Find your anger and voice

Tbh if you roll over and let him get away with this then more fool you.

He's a vile vile man, has used his own words to hurt his daughter and used you to take the blame!

I know she may think it's tit for tat but I would definitely write her a letter and explain the situation. Then remain in contact with her if this is what she wishes but tell your dh to fuck off

GabsAlot · 26/02/2021 10:58

Tatiana its a woman shes marrying-not that it means anything different