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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

OP posts:
BlackAlys · 08/03/2021 10:58

You are no fool, OP. You tried to be a good wife and step-Mum but was totally duped by this deception.
Your H's behaviour is staggering and points to someone quite psychopathic. I dislike throwing terms like this around but this is a long term, calculated approach he's had, devoid of any emotion or thought for you and your welfare.

I know you're familiar with the term keeping your powder dry and I know you're probably avoiding putting your plans out there for obvious reasons, but I am joining the army of women who can see this deception for what it is - a total head fuck of epic proportions. KOKO Thanks

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 09/03/2021 12:00

Hope you're ok today @R0SEMARY, and there haven't been any further repercussions!

MyOtherProfile · 09/03/2021 13:55

Odd. I just gotta notification that I've been mentioned by @mMahMahMahMahCorona on this thread at 11.56. But there's no such post.

MyOtherProfile · 09/03/2021 13:56

@MahMahMahMahCorona even

picklemewalnuts · 11/03/2021 07:52

[quote R0SEMARY]@SoulofanAggron

People like these with personality disorders don't tend to truly do the work in therapy. Because they often can't admit they have any sort of problem. So they might supposedly go if a family member wanted them to, to manipulate them, then drop out quickly. Or in all sorts of ways relate to therapy wrongly

Yes of course, I’m still believing what I’ve been told. I have no idea what’s true and what’s false. But surely a therapist would see through their lies - I’m assuming they are a lot smarter than me.

Or maybe as you say they went for a few weeks/ months to keep up appearances. Goodness know why John would do that - it’s not like I care what he does.

Though after his last affair he used to spend hours agonising to me, telling me how tough it was for him, how much he missed his affair partner and how he felt they had betrayed him. Until MN told me to stop that and tell him to talk to his therapist about it instead.

Well that’s not actually what Mumsnetters said - they told me to tell him to fuck off to the far side of fuck off etc etc. I can’t remember it all. But it was a lot of fucks.

I did stop listening to him and his problems, so he probably needs someone else for that.[/quote]
I remember that thread! You've tried so hard- and he was never present, he was too busy up his own arsehole! Bet he's feeling very pleased with himself.

@MyOtherProfile there's been a mentions glitch- I got notifications of weeks worth of mentions, all in one go.

MyOtherProfile · 11/03/2021 11:28

Oh thank you @picklemewalnuts

MahMahMahMahCorona · 11/03/2021 13:33

I'm so sorry - I don't know what happened but I got notified of about 40 mentions and thought I was really popular! I think it's a glitch - I'm sorry @MyOtherProfile and anyone else affected.

MyOtherProfile · 11/03/2021 14:22

Ah just for a moment I thought I was really popular too Grin

picklemewalnuts · 11/03/2021 14:52

Me too! Thought I'd said something really insightful 🤣

LongTimeMammaBear · 14/03/2021 22:38

@R0SEMARY hope you’re doing ok and you’re plan to get out is taking shape.

Number3BigCupOfTea · 15/03/2021 21:05

Yeh, how are you, I hope that no more drama has been directed at YOU!

Wine
Zubla · 16/03/2021 23:16

Hope you are doing well OP stay strong

BRB2021 · 08/04/2021 21:44

How are things going @R0SEMARY?

R0SEMARY · 28/05/2021 20:39

Hi to anyone who remembers me and our wedding dramas. Apologies for not replying to posts asking for an update but negotiations were at a delicate stage and I didn’t want to jinx anything ( still not sure If John has seen this thread - he knows I’m a keen MNer so he might have searched).

So to update:

John is moving out this weekend . I have bought him out of what was our house and he has bought elsewhere. This was all done with legal advice ( well at least I got legal advice, I don’t know about him ).

He got the keys today and he is moving things out bit by bit with a removal company coming early next week.

The kids took it very well. One was very matter of fact and said they were not surprised, it was just a matter of time. One was a bit shocked at first but is ok now.

The third said “ Oh yes I know, Helen told me ages ago but I didn’t want to say anything to you. She says she has been trying to persuade dad to leave for years “.

John’s new house is a few miles away . There’s no plan for the children to stay over there, they will live here all of the time with perhaps a couple of weekends at his place. Certainly less than 52 nights a year.

This was his choice as he is unwilling to commit to having them regularly because of his work ( he works away from home a lot, often at no notice ).

None of the teens are going to Helen’s wedding - their choice. Once they told her she has pretty much cut contact with them - they are relieved.

When we told them we were separating , one said ( to me ) “ Does that mean I don’t have to speak to Helen any more? “.

OP posts:
Disfordarkchocolate · 28/05/2021 21:47

Thanks for the update @R0SEMARY. You sound very matter of fact, I'm sure it's been a lot harder than you make it sound. Good luck with everything.

dollypartonshirspray · 28/05/2021 21:59

@R0SEMARY glad you and the kids are ok

Onelifeonly · 28/05/2021 22:28

Glad things are moving on for you. Best of luck.

altiara · 28/05/2021 23:18

Good luck OP, hope kids are ok with everything and their exams Flowers

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 00:38

Thank you for your good wishes.

@altiara - we didn’t tell the kids until after their exams. This meant that they didn’t have much warning but actually that’s turned out ok as they got to see their father’s new home straight away.

@Disfordarkchocolate yes it has been hard, after all it’s been 20 years so most of my adult life. But at the moment I’m very focussed on the practical side of getting him and all his stuff out of my house.

He’s very bad for keeping lots of junk - our basement, loft and garage are full of his things. He’s not like hoarders who, as I understand it, keep items for emotional reasons.

It’s partly laziness as he CBA to spent his valuable time going through things to throw them out. And partly because he loves shopping, buys on impulse and CBA to return items that are not suitable / don’t fit. He also has lots of duplicates because he can’t remember what he has.

I’m not a minimalist at all but I don’t like a mess. I hadn’t realised how stressful it’s been for me living like this until he said he was moving out. Then I felt such a sense of relief.

So I’m really REALLY pleased at the prospect of getting rid of all that junk. Although he’s not taking it now, apparently he’s moving all that in a few weeks when I ( Covid permitting ) go on holiday with the children.

A friend said that all his stuff taking over my home is a metaphor for his controlling behaviour which has taken over my life. Which I thought was very insightful.

OP posts:
Mulhollandmagoo · 29/05/2021 00:49

I remember your thread, and I think you've done exactly the right thing!! Enjoy every second of your new life OP, it's well deserved Flowers

DifficultBloodyWoman · 29/05/2021 01:36

A friend said that all his stuff taking over my home is a metaphor for his controlling behaviour which has taken over my life. Which I thought was very insightful.

Smart friend!

With each step, you are going to feel better and better.

travellinglighter · 29/05/2021 03:30

@R0SEMARY

I can’t tell you how much all your comments are helping me. Even the ones that are critical let me see it from another point of view.

When you have lived with all this bat shit craziness for two decades it’s really hard to see things objectively. In our culture it’s frowned upon to discuss family matters with anyone outside, that’s considered very shameful and the most important thing is to keep up appearances.

So it’s hard to get an honest outside opinion.

That’s also why Helen is going ballistic that her siblings won’t attend her wedding. It’s not that she particularly loves them or cares about them as individuals. But she thinks she will lose face if they don’t attend and she has no way of explaining it.

The reality is of course that no one will care and in fact hardly anyone will even notice. No one there ( apart from the two brides ) has ever even met them, as Helen and Katy live hundreds of miles away from us.

It’s all about how things will look.

Given the level of drama in this; I suspect you’re going to play a prominent role in the wedding you’re not going to. I suspect that at some point in the day there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth and you will be held up as a horrendous person who prevented her beloved siblings from attending. Obviously DH ( Dickhead/deceitful/duplicitous husband?) will go along with it. Meh.
BitchyHen · 29/05/2021 06:36

Yes ROSEMARY this is a brilliant update. Enjoy your new life with your children. When you realised that John's morality was about whether an action benefitted him or not really struck a chord with me as ex was exactly the same. He's been gone ten years now, and the dc are adults who keep him very much at arms length now.
Flowers for you.

BeamerTown · 29/05/2021 07:31

So thrilled for you Rosemary. Onwards and upwards from this incredibly stressful situation. You’ve done so well Flowers

SortingItOut · 29/05/2021 07:32

Excellent news that you are nearly rid of him.

When does the house become yours?
If it is before your holiday I wouldnt be letting him in the house unaccompanied.

What if he takes items that are not his?
Goes through all your paperwork and takes important documents?

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