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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

OP posts:
R0SEMARY · 01/03/2021 14:00

@Nanny0gg - she is my children’s half sister. I hope they won’t cut her out of their lives.

OP posts:
SakuraEdenSwan1 · 01/03/2021 14:45

What shifts does John work? I thought he was Self employed and you worked for him?

SakuraEdenSwan1 · 01/03/2021 14:48

Posted too soon, are you sure he was at work last night and not lying about that as well?

Just stop completely engaging with Helen and I hope you have arranged a SHL appointment to kick his arse out.

BlueThistles · 01/03/2021 15:16

[quote R0SEMARY]@Nanny0gg - she is my children’s half sister. I hope they won’t cut her out of their lives.[/quote]

after reading everything you've written... Im confused as to why you would still actively encourage then to remain in touch ..

noirchatsdeux · 01/03/2021 15:18

@R0SEMARY When I was 11, my father attempted to get my mother, myself and my two brothers to move back to Australia (our home country, but my father is British) without him, telling us that he would follow when his visa had come through (this was the early 80s, so this took longer than it does nowadays). His actual plan was to see us go, then tell my mother when we were safely 17K miles away that he was staying in the UK. He'd even gone as far as arranging new accomodation for himself...

His plan was scuppered the day we were due to fly - his passport with the new visa arrived that morning. As bad as all that was, what was worse in my eyes was that he told my mother everything at the time...and she still stayed with him for another 10 years! He ended up leaving her for another woman anyway...

What I'm saying is you are doing the right thing ending this straight away, now that you know the full extent of John's lying. I honestly have no idea how my mother could stay with my father after what he did - she had a wealthy family that would have made sure we were okay in the short term (she's admitted this since to me) and she was still in her 30s to would have been able to find a job, etc

She also used me as her therapist for YEARS (my father worked abroad a lot). I've been NC with my father for 30 years and very LC with my mother for 20. Not only did she set us a terrible example of how relationships/marriage should be, she put her marriage to my father ahead of her three children.

Mix56 · 01/03/2021 15:32

I cannot see any positives at all with your DC keeping contact with their half sister, clearly if they wish to it's their choice, but she will bring you nothing but trouble, she will also report back to her father,
I would not be encouraging it, nor facilitating it, she has a mother & a father, she can sponge off & abuse them

TatianaBis · 01/03/2021 15:39

Contact or not with Helen is hardly the priority issue right now.

It may depend on the fall out of all this.

LadyEloise · 01/03/2021 16:07

I too wouldn't want my dc in Helen the drama queen's life - It's all about her.
Your dc and Helen will probably outlive you. Do you really want your dc dancing to her tune when you're gone ?
She'll be no loss to them.

WannabemoreWeaver · 01/03/2021 17:39

My uncle did this to my aunt and caused her to question everything she felt she knew about their relationship and life. Start with what you know for sure - you are being a great mum to your kids, your kids love and value you, your kids support each other, the decisions you have made about your marriage are the right ones. I hope you also know for sure that you are amazing because that is what comes through these posts - you are dealing with a shitty situation with grace and intelligence. Take care.

VettiyaIruken · 01/03/2021 17:54

@R0SEMARY

I will tell the children the facts but at the right time.

And that’s not now when I am in a complete state, I’ve barely slept or eaten since Thursday since John disclosed all these decades of lies to me. And now more lies are revealed in each email from Helen.

I’m struggling to cope with the fact that a significant part of the last 20 years of my life is almost certainly a lie.

Because if John has lied about his DD, he’s lied about other family, our own kids, our families and friends , our clients and colleagues.

Yes I knew he had lied about the affairs but he said he was sorry , they were mistakes and it wouldn’t happen again. I thought that was his weakness when he was away on business and couldn't cope with the loneliness.

But now I see he’s not a fundamentally decent man who made mistakes.

He’s a liar through and through. He wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him in the face.

I don’t know anything about anything . I’m totally destabilised.

So it’s not the time to tell the kids about any of this. They are not my therapists.

That he said sorry and admitted a mistake is a small positive amid a sea of shit given he never apologises or admits he's at fault. What do you think made him decide to do that?

He sounds absolutely foul and I bet you can't wait to be free of him. Good luck! I hope he doesn't make it horrific.

MzHz · 01/03/2021 18:09

@WannabemoreWeaver

My uncle did this to my aunt and caused her to question everything she felt she knew about their relationship and life. Start with what you know for sure - you are being a great mum to your kids, your kids love and value you, your kids support each other, the decisions you have made about your marriage are the right ones. I hope you also know for sure that you are amazing because that is what comes through these posts - you are dealing with a shitty situation with grace and intelligence. Take care.
Great post! Hear hear!
grapewine · 01/03/2021 18:29

@WannabemoreWeaver

My uncle did this to my aunt and caused her to question everything she felt she knew about their relationship and life. Start with what you know for sure - you are being a great mum to your kids, your kids love and value you, your kids support each other, the decisions you have made about your marriage are the right ones. I hope you also know for sure that you are amazing because that is what comes through these posts - you are dealing with a shitty situation with grace and intelligence. Take care.
I second this all of this. Good luck, OP.
Nanny0gg · 01/03/2021 18:41

[quote R0SEMARY]@Nanny0gg - she is my children’s half sister. I hope they won’t cut her out of their lives.[/quote]
Why?

Even without her father's lies she's toxic. As is her partner.

What would they actually lose by breaking contact?

SoulofanAggron · 01/03/2021 18:49

she is my children’s half sister. I hope they won’t cut her out of their lives.

@R0SEMARY She's horrible OP. She wouldn't add anything to your children's lives except annoyance, drama, and pain.

But as PP's said, she's a side issue.

billybagpuss · 02/03/2021 09:14

Hope you’re feeling ok today @R0SEMARY. Did you have the conversation last night?

LittleMimi · 02/03/2021 09:25

I don’t get why you would want such drama at your wedding. Trying to force and bully people into going is just going to create negativity no matter what. If they turn up they’re obviously going to be uncomfortable and if they don’t do you really want to create drama with empty seats and try to create sympathy for how horrible these children and their mum is?

Numicon · 02/03/2021 10:04

So, you are The Evil One in this situation (in Helens eyes) so just use this to your advantage. Tell your teens that they can blame you for any and everything. They don't want to go to the wedding?? Evil One said no, sorry. They dont want to take her calls? Evil One has made them block her etc etc.

DH can't say anything, he created The Evil One in the first place, so now he has to deal with the fallout.

Let the kids use this fictional version of you as a cover. Personally, I'd revel in your new status as untouchable wicked one.

LadyEloise · 02/03/2021 10:14

@LittleMimi have you read this thread ?
Or am I missing something Hmm

sillysmiles · 02/03/2021 10:43

@LadyEloise, I think @LittleMimi is talking from Helen's perspective.

ButForTheGrace · 02/03/2021 11:16

@Numicon

So, you are The Evil One in this situation (in Helens eyes) so just use this to your advantage. Tell your teens that they can blame you for any and everything. They don't want to go to the wedding?? Evil One said no, sorry. They dont want to take her calls? Evil One has made them block her etc etc. DH can't say anything, he created The Evil One in the first place, so now he has to deal with the fallout. Let the kids use this fictional version of you as a cover. Personally, I'd revel in your new status as untouchable wicked one.
I agree with Numicon. If you accept that you will never have (or want) a relationship with Helen then this could be an option. Become the worst ever Evil One - like you said, she has her own unwavering view of The Truth so your actions will not change this. You are going to get the blame whatever your DCs choose to do, so you could shield them from Helen's ire.

Worth considering I think

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/03/2021 12:19

I would just leave him. I couldn’t possibly look at him after that.

BertramLacey · 02/03/2021 12:25

@LadyEloise @sillysmiles I think she's giving the OP a possible response to Helen. It's not from Helen's perspective as it refers to 'your wedding'.

Numicon · 02/03/2021 14:21

Any update OP?

R0SEMARY · 02/03/2021 22:42

Tonight We had a zoom call with Helen and Katy. During it John told her about some of the lies he has told her about me going back 20 years.

It was exactly as you all predicted.

She didn’t cry. She barely batted an eyelid or stumbled in her carefully prepared speech.

She stopped John talking after a couple of sentences and said she didn’t want to hear it. She said to me that John had never said anything bad to her about me . ( Which is odd as he had a two page list of things right in front of him ).

Apparently the reason she hates me is because of all the bad things I have said and done to her over the years. Unfortunately she can’t remember what they are and ( simultaneously) that she does remember but is unwilling to tell me.

But the important thing is that I know it’s all my fault and she holds me responsible.

Some of the time she told me I was 50% to blame. Except for the rest of the time when I was 100% to blame. And it was very unfair of John to take the blame because it was clearly my fault.

And yes she did indeed threaten to self harm yesterday . But no it wasn’t about the wedding guests list, it was about all the mean things I have done to her for years.

So although yesterday it was Johns fault because he wouldn't force the teens to go the the wedding, today it was my fault.

I think that about covers it Shock

OP posts:
RandomMess · 02/03/2021 22:45

Step away from the crazy,

How she loves and lives for drama!!!

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