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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

OP posts:
JingsMahBucket · 26/02/2021 20:11

@tribpot
Could it be that his latest affair partner is invited to the wedding, so he needs to ensure that you don't attend?

@R0SEMARY This is it. I think @tribpot has it. THAT is probably what changed in the last few days. Either he or the affair partner have decided she is to attend the wedding and he’s gone and said something to your SD to make her finally excise you from her life. He’s likely making this move as a way to debut the “new” person in his life and make a stated announcement or point at the wedding. He’s probably getting ready to divorce and take you to the cleaners unfortunately. Keep your anger and accelerate your timeline as much as you can.

R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 20:15

I want to thank you all so much for your posts. I’ve had several long conversations with John today and I’ve managed to remain calm and clear about what I want. That’s a major achievement for me and it’s all due to you allowing me to vert here and giving me emotional support and practical advice.

To be clear, this is no longer about the wedding for me. It’s about us separating and divorcing.

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Groovee · 26/02/2021 20:17

I'd seek legal advice and get bank accounts set up in your name so you can move your savings.

I'm sorry this is happening to you. My half siblings think my mum poisoned me against them. My Dh laughed and told them recently "Groovee's observed your horrific behaviour all through the years including one of you playing tug of war with her as the rope telling her mum that she wouldn't get her own child! She's not stupid and can make her own decisions."

CutePixie · 26/02/2021 20:24

@R0SEMARY

I want to thank you all so much for your posts. I’ve had several long conversations with John today and I’ve managed to remain calm and clear about what I want. That’s a major achievement for me and it’s all due to you allowing me to vert here and giving me emotional support and practical advice.

To be clear, this is no longer about the wedding for me. It’s about us separating and divorcing.

I think separating and filing for the divorce will set you free. You don’t want your DC thinking it’s okay to be emotionally abusive to their future DP, or to stay in an abusive relationship. You want them to have a healthy outlook on relationships.

Please tell your DC the truth and don’t allow your husband to continue his lies. Good luck OP Smile

Zandathepanda · 26/02/2021 20:25

Excellent news but make sure you get access to the financial stuff ASAP and take copies x

I would say to Helen that the reason you are divorcing her Dad was for many things but the impetus was that he lied about you to her. Which is the truth and will make her feel better about you in the long run. The poor woman has been lied to too.

TatianaBis · 26/02/2021 20:28

Rarely do I feel like this but I do want to give you an unMN hug.

I am so sorry that such a nice person has been treated so shitly.

R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 20:30

Thank you @TatianaBis

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BMHM · 26/02/2021 20:44

Is this real?

BMHM · 26/02/2021 20:46

I can see your updates now, thank goodness. I was reading your OP in disbelief.

R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 21:00

YY it’s real Grin. I didn’t think it was so dramatic that I looked like a troll.

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WannabemoreWeaver · 26/02/2021 21:19

Can you change the locks while he is at the wedding?

MrsRockAndRoll · 26/02/2021 21:24

@R0SEMARY

I want to thank you all so much for your posts. I’ve had several long conversations with John today and I’ve managed to remain calm and clear about what I want. That’s a major achievement for me and it’s all due to you allowing me to vert here and giving me emotional support and practical advice.

To be clear, this is no longer about the wedding for me. It’s about us separating and divorcing.

Onwards & upwards.

I think I remember you posting about Helen before. She sounds toxic

DeRigueurMortis · 26/02/2021 21:50

@R0SEMARY

Of course everything he has said could be a lie! He's already admitted lying about you to Helen, why do you find it so hard to believe he could do it the other way round in respect of her, and anyone else ?

I don’t find it hard to give intellectual assent to the idea. Of course it’s right.

I’m finding it emotionally hard to deal with the possibility that he’s been lying about me and to me about to everyone in our social circle, work colleagues, clients , family, neighbours. Everyone from the bin man and the woman in the Morrison’s filling station to our kids sports coaches, teachers and club leaders.

It's worth considering he's not been lying to everyone (even Helen) for 20 years.

I appreciate the thread has moved beyond the wedding invite being rescinded but it is odd that this has happened "now" rather than you being excluded from the get go.

My take frankly is that he's gaslighting you again.

I absolutely think he's said something to Helen but I doubt this is the result of decades of him passing his views off as yours - rather I think he's told her that this has been your view for years and he's been covering for you.

He's "playing" everyone. Don't assume anything he says is the truth- it's won't be.

Anything he says however does have an objective to his advantage.

My advice - get a good solicitor now because there's are good chance he's upping the anti because he's trying to force your hand/leave you.

Forget Helen - she's an adult and in her fathers thrall. Focus on you and your children.

Forget about staying with him until the kids are X age. It's done. Get out now.

Be honest with your children. Don't stop them seeing their father but don't sugarcoat what he's like (affair and all). They are young adults not tiny tots and they deserve to know the truth and make their own minds up.

Most of all leave. Don't wait any longer.

Thanks
WannabemoreWeaver · 26/02/2021 21:50

@slashlover

I don't know what Helen has done wrong. As a troubled teenager, her father was never there and instead left her with her SM, who he told her hated/disapproved of her so she lashed out. Possibly looking for her dad's attention?

As an adult she uninvited the woman who she has been told was homophobic and did nothing but say nasty things about her and her partner.

This. Sounds like she takes money as well, but to be fair, he has led her to expect that. Maybe what changed is that the wedding date was finalized and it all became more real.
MzHz · 26/02/2021 22:04

Oh @R0SEMARY love, you’ve had a bloody awful time, for so long.

I’m sorry to hear it’s come to this for you, the end of the road, but know this - you WILL get through this, you will be ok. It may get tough at times, but you have us with you the whole way and you’ll have your kids.

Things may look bad for a while, but keep focusing on the other side and know that when you’re through the turbulence, you’ll come out the other side and you will know what it’s like to live a life that’s built on truth, honest and trust, not this house of cards this awful and substandard man has created.

Manly punch on the shoulder and a quiet hug when MN isn’t looking Grin

8obbingabout · 26/02/2021 22:23

Omg

Im so sorry OP - Your husband is an absolute arsehole and always will be. What a vile man. Take him to the cleaners. You have suffered enough!

Share your post with the bridzilla. If she was truly honest with herself she will know that it is her farther with bad feelings towards her and her fiancé. She will have been able to sense it surly??

How can your DH have done this to you? I am so annoyed on your behalf. He doesn't sound right at all. Does he usually do things like this? He clearly is a very good lier and doesn't care about you and your feelings one bit.

grapewine · 26/02/2021 22:25

The scale of betrayal must be blowing your mind. What an incredibly nasty man. I wish you luck getting out of there and away from his toxicity.

Nanny0gg · 26/02/2021 23:02

@R0SEMARY

I want to thank you all so much for your posts. I’ve had several long conversations with John today and I’ve managed to remain calm and clear about what I want. That’s a major achievement for me and it’s all due to you allowing me to vert here and giving me emotional support and practical advice.

To be clear, this is no longer about the wedding for me. It’s about us separating and divorcing.

Please don't tip your hand before you get legal advice!

You don't need him doing you over financially on top of everything else!

R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 23:14

How can your DH have done this to you? I am so annoyed on your behalf. He doesn't sound right at all. Does he usually do things like this? He clearly is a very good lier and doesn't care about you and your feelings one bit

If lying was an Olympic sport he would win a gold medal, he lies as easily as he breathes.

Sadly he has done things of a similar deception level in the past but not this same thing AFAIK.

And no he doesn’t care about anyone’s feelings but his own. I don’t think he has the capacity to care, there’s part of his brain / heart / soul missing, he has zero empathy.

When when I catch him out in something objectively bad like this, he never says he is sorry. On the contrary, he says that his conscience is clear and that he’s done nothing wrong. In his opinion, anything that achieves his objectives is legitimate.

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SoulofanAggron · 27/02/2021 00:20

Well done for all you're doing @R0SEMARY . It sounds like you have an idea of what you need to do.

In his opinion, anything that achieves his objectives is legitimate.

This makes him kind of a dangerous person of course, at the very least emotionally.

Do what you have to do to protect yourself and your DC. xxxxx

AgentJohnson · 27/02/2021 06:18

This man clearly doesn’t like you and has disrespected you at every opportunity. I can understand your shock but not your surprise, this is who he is and it is just another price that your going to have to pay to stay with the man.

Hopefully this will be the catalyst to end your marriage because ‘staying for the kids’ sounds noble and selfless and therefore a better cover than scared and anxious to leave.

AgentJohnson · 27/02/2021 06:19

Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thread.

netstaller · 27/02/2021 06:39

Tell your children the whole truth. You're not doing them any favours by lying.

So what if helen will be angry if they don't go? She's been spiteful by univiting you why do you care what she thinks? It's time to draw a line under your relationship. He's you soon to be ex's daughter, he's her problem now. I'd be surprised if they'd want to go if they knew the full story about her. Why are you still considering her feelings? She's happily disregarding yours. Sounds like you've been putting him and her above your needs for years. Time to cut them out, they're toxic.

Get legal advice you don't need to be in this situation dancing to their tune.

ivykaty44 · 27/02/2021 06:58

Helen has a mum and dad, she is being treated horrendously by her own father.

Your issue should be with your children, I’d not stay and let what’s happened to Helen happen with them.

What a nasty manipulative male you have as a husband

Cokie3 · 27/02/2021 07:54

@R0SEMARY You deserve to have your truth known. You are divorcing DH (DickHead, not Dear Husband), you have nothing to lose. Send her a link to this thread. A lot of people don't advise this generally, but DH sure isn't going to speak the truth, so you need to stand up and clear your side of the air by telling the truth. It may or may not make her see the truth that her father has used her, manipulated her, and lied to her for decades. Regardless if it doesn't change anything; win, lose or draw - you need to exonerate yourself and have the truth finally come out. If you can't write her a letter, send her a final goodbye email with a link to this thread.

She deserves to know the truth.

You, deserve for the truth to come out.

Please send her a link to this thread.