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Advice please on sex

222 replies

Peanuts01 · 18/02/2021 09:25

Hi I have just joined here. I have been with my boyfriend 10 years, we have two boys 5 and 7. When we first go together I was 19 and we had sex all the time, he did tell me that he had a high sex drive and that he liked a lot of sex. But at the start we were doing it all the time I thought it's never going to change. But it did.
So there were ups and downs in the bedroom department until our first son Was born. I had a c section and wasn't interested in sex but after about a month he put pressure on, saying everyone else does it sooner and moaning about it. Do I gave in to shut him up.
Then after our second son again he pressured me. I had given birth naturally this time and had stitches. I was constipated and really not wanting sex. But he said that everyone does it a couple of weeks after and that we should. So I gave in again. I didn't enjoy it.
He has always wanted to have a mmf threesome, something I'm not up for. And started hinting at it and also suggesting swinging. He said it would make my sex drive come back. I told him it's not for me. Eventually he joined a swinging website.to show me couples. I said to him if he wants he can talk to people but not do anything. And he wasn't aloud to show them photos of my face.
Soon he was talking to a couple and he added Kik messenger on my phone so I could talk to them. I said no I'm not taking to them. He was annoyed and said it makes it look like he is lying to them he has a partner. After I bit of arguing he let slip that he had sent photos of me, my face. I was furious. But eventually he talked his way out of that.
A year passes and he starts telling me that he loves me, but isn't in love with me. So I sit and think. I'm selfish to expect him to live the rest of his life with out trying swinging. So I told him I would maybe try. Eventually we went to a club, it was aweful I didn't do anything just went for a look. So he said we will try another and went to a different one, it's expensive to get in and I felt I had to do something so he wouldn't be annoyed so we had sex together just us. We went back a second time and I thought he is going to be expecting more this time so we met a couple. I was in now way attracted to them. We went to a room and started having sex he wanted me to let the man be inside me so I let him. But it was horrific, I was dry and uncomfortable so I said stop, apologized and went to get my clothes. Then my boyfriend looked and me and said I'm not finished so I had to lay down again and wait for him to be done.
When we left he was so happy, and expressed how much he loved me.
That was the end of any swinging for me much to his annoyance.
Now I am stuck, we hardly have sex I never feel turned on.
He keeps telling me if I don't put out he will go elsewhere. During the Christmas holidays he told me if he knew he wasn't getting any he would of stayed at work.

I feel shit, I should want sex with him but I just can't do it. I told him how I feel and he says he doesn't want split up. On valentine's Day he spent the whole day ignoring me because he hadn't had any. He mutters things under his breath at me. He is always pointing out "fit women" on TV or if we go anywhere he makes it obvious he is looking at them.
Sometimes he will do some housework and expect sex in return for it.

Currently I feel so lost. I feel bad to leave him because we have kids and he says he loves me. I don't want to hurt them. I don't know if I am just over sensitive.

Please give me advice on what I should do

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gaijinetal · 19/02/2021 11:19

He doesnt seem to think i can leave him of my own accord just for my own sake

He's delusional.

He really can't appreciate how he's treated you all these years.

Your op horrified people on here (to the point they thought it wasn't real).- and this forum has a lot of posts about abusive relationships on a daily basis.

He's just not wired right, is he.

Peanuts01 · 19/02/2021 11:21

@gaijinetal it hurts that he thinks of me like that. He knows my views on cheating, im very much against it

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gaijinetal · 19/02/2021 11:23

Someone with such unbelievable entitlement, who treats another person like an object to be used - for sex, for (coerced on your part) swinging etc. Who conditions, gas lights, manipulates, coerces.... Is not going to let you escape quietly and easily. He thinks he runs the show. He's going to try everything.
Guilt and accusing you of being a bad parent, and if breaking up a family are going to feature highly.

gaijinetal · 19/02/2021 11:25

[quote Peanuts01]@gaijinetal it hurts that he thinks of me like that. He knows my views on cheating, im very much against it[/quote]
It's not you he thinks of like that.

It's himself (and people in general).

He thinks that's the only reason anyone would leave a relationship - because they met someone else.

He must be do genuinely lacking in any empathy or decency that he doesn't realise he's abused you for years. Or he does, but he will never admit it to himself.

gaijinetal · 19/02/2021 11:26

It's not you he thinks of like that.

It's himself (and people in general).

He thinks that's the only reason anyone would leave a relationship - because they met someone else.

He must be do genuinely lacking in any empathy or decency that he doesn't realise he's abused you for years. Or he does, but he will never admit it to himself.

gaijinetal · 19/02/2021 11:31

There's no point in giving any validity to his thoughts of opinions - he's hardly husband of the year, is he.

If there was a poll of worst husband of the year on here, and this place sees post after post from abused women; he'd be in the top five; easily.

What's the point of giving any value to the opinions of a sex obsessed, extreme porn using, swinging, coercive, gas lighting, abusive degenerate. He's an ugly mess inside. He is not an individual whose opinions matter.

PaterPower · 19/02/2021 12:03

"I bet there is someone else" That’s probably because he’s cheated on you before.

I’m sorry to say it, but a “man” that has shown so much coercive behaviour, consistently ignored your wishes and who describes himself as having a high sex drive is VERY unlikely to have cared too much about staying celibate.

If he’s had the opportunity to cheat, then I’m certain he’ll have taken it.

Peanuts01 · 19/02/2021 12:06

@PaterPower I do wonder if he has. He tells me if a woman was to offered it on a plate he wouldnt say no. I have no evidence that he has

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GoLightlyontheEarth · 19/02/2021 12:13

Honestly just forget about him and what he thinks. His opinions and ideas are toxic and twisted. Get yourself out of there and don’t look back . You and your kids deserve far better than him.

JLQ1020 · 19/02/2021 12:15

This is not you. You are not the problem here. It sounds like you got together very young and his only understanding of other relationships ar what he sees on TV or in books.
This is not healthy. A relationship is about more than sex. Coercing you into trying things you aren't comfortable with is not healthy or fair and in fact couldn't be termed as abusive behaviour.
Maybe he was a better years ago but it sounds like you have grown up and he hasn't.
Please leave him. Please don't give him another chance or think oh but he might change and he use to be different.

You are not in the wrong here at all. Don't let anyone let you think you are. You are entitled to be happy and comfortable in a relationship.

JLQ1020 · 19/02/2021 12:20

@JLQ1020

This is not you. You are not the problem here. It sounds like you got together very young and his only understanding of other relationships ar what he sees on TV or in books. This is not healthy. A relationship is about more than sex. Coercing you into trying things you aren't comfortable with is not healthy or fair and in fact couldn't be termed as abusive behaviour. Maybe he was a better years ago but it sounds like you have grown up and he hasn't. Please leave him. Please don't give him another chance or think oh but he might change and he use to be different.

You are not in the wrong here at all. Don't let anyone let you think you are. You are entitled to be happy and comfortable in a relationship.

Sorry typo here I says couldn't be termed as abuse... I meant of course that can be deemed abuse
slidingdrawers · 19/02/2021 12:54

He is depraved and an abuser.

OP, you need get out of this relationship to stop the cycle for the sake of you and your own children. He is not a good man, husband or father.

As others have said, he has taken horrific advantage of you but I hear in your posts a strength of character. I hope you are okay.

As he works FT (assume out of the home?) I would use this time to make your plans to leave, make sure you regularly clear any browsing history related to this.

If you feel in danger at any time please call 999.

QuentinWinters · 19/02/2021 12:55

He's trying to manipulate you now into thinking that you don't have a "good enough" reason to leave and that people might judge you, by basically trying different lines that might work. (You'll hurt the kids, people will think you are a cheat, you won't get another partner because of your sex preferences). It's all bullshit, he is just casting about to see what pushes your buttons.
Don't let him do that. Ignore him. Disengage. Don't try to justify why you are leaving. Pick a bland line, say that and nothing else whenever he asks. Something like, "I understand it's not what you want, but I've made my decision."
It doesn't matter what he thinks. You know why you are leaving and you know you are right to do so. Don't let him mess with your head.

mootymoo · 19/02/2021 13:01

Sounds familiar except I didn't give in, I'm getting divorced!

Peanuts01 · 19/02/2021 13:05

@JLQ1020 he does base the reality of this relationship on what he thinks it should be, he has stressed on several occasions that he thinks sex is the most important part. He even finds quotes and articles in favour of his views and sends them to me to prove how "important" sex is.
I don't believe it though I think it's respect that is the most important

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Peanuts01 · 19/02/2021 13:07

@slidingdrawers yes he works full time out of the home. I make sure that he can't read anything I have said here or to friends or family

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Peanuts01 · 19/02/2021 13:12

@mootymoo I wish I had been that strong years ago. I tell my sister it's like I have two people in my brain

Person one is like. Can't treat you like that. He is a dick. Get out of this

Then person two is like. Yes but remember that nice holiday you had as a family. And you could of said no but you didnt. Tell him what you feel and he will change.

I feel like I have tried to hard to please him I don't know who I am? I changed so much about myself and my life to please him to be the woman he would want. I know now that this is wrong

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Anordinarymum · 19/02/2021 13:13

I have just read this thread. I am so sorry this has happened to you and hope you manage to get away from this man asap. I think you should leave and go to your mums and the sooner the better as he will never change. What a shame it took you ten years before you did something about it, but then that is the power an abuser has over their victim, to make them feel as if they can't make decisions.

Anordinarymum · 19/02/2021 13:14

And of course your brain will always want to remember the nice things because that is what you long for. The nice things won't happen while you are still with this man.

Peanuts01 · 19/02/2021 13:19

@Anordinarymum we have split up twice in the past ( 2018 and then in 2019) but each time he would start to be really nice and apologetic. I told him how I felt about various things and he apologized about how he had treated me. But his attitude seems to have crept round again to making comments about the lack of sex. But this time I'm more aware of what he is saying is wrong. He knows the past still upsets me but he tells me it's the past and we need to move forward and that he has apologised. But no matter how sorry he will be I can't forgive it.

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Peanuts01 · 19/02/2021 13:22

@Anordinarymum yes part of me thinks of the nice things. We did do nice things together, but if he hadn't had sex he would quite often ignore me or whisper in my ear you need put out or you need to start giving me more. And it would put a downer in things

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Anordinarymum · 19/02/2021 13:25

He thinks he owns you

SoulofanAggron · 19/02/2021 13:25

if he hadn't had sex he would quite often ignore me or whisper in my ear you need put out or you need to start giving me more

Ugh, and aargh! Run away.

Wanderlusto · 19/02/2021 13:27

They like to whip the carpet put from under you. Eg: if you are 'too' happy or have had a nice day. They treat your emotions like a yoyo.

'Kick her when she is up. And kick her more when she is really down. No mercy'.

gaijinetal · 19/02/2021 13:35

He tells me if a woman was to offered it on a plate he wouldnt say no

He's definitely got some sort of personality disorder it seems; I mean most people who'd cheat wouldnt actually say that out loud to their spouse.

How has he expected you to stay in the relationship, at all let alone happy when he's told you that. Again presumably he thinks you'd take or and wouldn't leave, because you have no rights and he can do what he likes.