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Advice please on sex

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Peanuts01 · 18/02/2021 09:25

Hi I have just joined here. I have been with my boyfriend 10 years, we have two boys 5 and 7. When we first go together I was 19 and we had sex all the time, he did tell me that he had a high sex drive and that he liked a lot of sex. But at the start we were doing it all the time I thought it's never going to change. But it did.
So there were ups and downs in the bedroom department until our first son Was born. I had a c section and wasn't interested in sex but after about a month he put pressure on, saying everyone else does it sooner and moaning about it. Do I gave in to shut him up.
Then after our second son again he pressured me. I had given birth naturally this time and had stitches. I was constipated and really not wanting sex. But he said that everyone does it a couple of weeks after and that we should. So I gave in again. I didn't enjoy it.
He has always wanted to have a mmf threesome, something I'm not up for. And started hinting at it and also suggesting swinging. He said it would make my sex drive come back. I told him it's not for me. Eventually he joined a swinging website.to show me couples. I said to him if he wants he can talk to people but not do anything. And he wasn't aloud to show them photos of my face.
Soon he was talking to a couple and he added Kik messenger on my phone so I could talk to them. I said no I'm not taking to them. He was annoyed and said it makes it look like he is lying to them he has a partner. After I bit of arguing he let slip that he had sent photos of me, my face. I was furious. But eventually he talked his way out of that.
A year passes and he starts telling me that he loves me, but isn't in love with me. So I sit and think. I'm selfish to expect him to live the rest of his life with out trying swinging. So I told him I would maybe try. Eventually we went to a club, it was aweful I didn't do anything just went for a look. So he said we will try another and went to a different one, it's expensive to get in and I felt I had to do something so he wouldn't be annoyed so we had sex together just us. We went back a second time and I thought he is going to be expecting more this time so we met a couple. I was in now way attracted to them. We went to a room and started having sex he wanted me to let the man be inside me so I let him. But it was horrific, I was dry and uncomfortable so I said stop, apologized and went to get my clothes. Then my boyfriend looked and me and said I'm not finished so I had to lay down again and wait for him to be done.
When we left he was so happy, and expressed how much he loved me.
That was the end of any swinging for me much to his annoyance.
Now I am stuck, we hardly have sex I never feel turned on.
He keeps telling me if I don't put out he will go elsewhere. During the Christmas holidays he told me if he knew he wasn't getting any he would of stayed at work.

I feel shit, I should want sex with him but I just can't do it. I told him how I feel and he says he doesn't want split up. On valentine's Day he spent the whole day ignoring me because he hadn't had any. He mutters things under his breath at me. He is always pointing out "fit women" on TV or if we go anywhere he makes it obvious he is looking at them.
Sometimes he will do some housework and expect sex in return for it.

Currently I feel so lost. I feel bad to leave him because we have kids and he says he loves me. I don't want to hurt them. I don't know if I am just over sensitive.

Please give me advice on what I should do

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picklemewalnuts · 18/02/2021 14:34

I'm afraid he has deliberately targetted you- a young, vulnerable woman and then groomed you into compliance with his expectations. Practically criminal.
I'm sorry, Peanuts, you are being horribly abused. He is coercive, which is abuse.

rainbowstardrops · 18/02/2021 14:34

Well then I'm really sorry and you need to get the hell away from this 'man'.
This is so far from normal. Please get away.

WouldstrokeTomHardy · 18/02/2021 14:35

I really hope this is wind up. He is a fucking pig. Please leave him and take yourself and your prescious DC as far away from this disgusting bastard as possible. You deserve a man that really loves you.

Men who love you are kind and gentle. They do not coerse you to have sex with them or other men. He is an abusive cunt.

Men who love you help with housework because they respect you and you work together as a team.

Men who love you let you heal after giving birth and look after you, making cups of tea, cooking, cleaning etc. Did your prince do that after you have birth. No he didn't did he because he doesn't love you darling. I doubt he's capable of loving anyone.

Please make plans to leave. Please call women's aid.

PlinkPlink · 18/02/2021 14:36

His behaviour is utterly disgusting.

Get out. Get out now.

He has no respect for your boundaries, your feelings or your body.

He has no problems co-ercing you into sex with him. Next stop, sexual assault and rape.

He's co-erced you into sex with people you didn't want to have sex with.

He's emotionally abused you by ignoring you on Valentines Day because you didn't give him sex.

As someone who was co-erced into sex, in a relationship, I can tell you, you will not get over this. You will not want sex with him again. He has done his damage. He has hurt you beyond your current comprehension (and I say that because I was the same, I couldn't work out why I didn't want to have sex with him until after I'd left).

It's a scary step but you will never know happiness if you stay with this pathetic excuse of a man.

And he's said he doesn't want to break up because you are currently doing everything he tells you to without much of a fight (not your fault, he's broken you down to the point that you will).

You are broken OP, and he is taking advantage of that. And that is absolutely disgusting. HE is disgusting.

I'm so sorry you've been through this. It's fucking devastating.

Wanderlusto · 18/02/2021 14:39

One of the worst things I've read here op and I've been about in some capacity for a good 5 years or so.

Start reading as much as you can about abuse.

There are YouTube vloggers such as melanie tonia Evans who talk about narcissists too. Obviously, never let him know what you are learning though.

You need to get yourself to safety. Theres so much to pick apart in your original post. But as others have mentioned, he is sexually abusing you.

Abusers like to say 'everyone else is...' and make out you are wrong/abnomal ect to not want to do something. They like to compliment other women infront of you in order to bring down your self esteem (it's part of narcissistic triangulation).

Always remember that his aim is to break you. He wants you to feel crazy/weak/stupid ect and that you have no right to feel the way you feel about anything. They also like to keep you on a merry go round of 'prove your love/innocence/trust/honest/warmth to me'. So that instead of realising their behaviours is not acceptable, you are too busy focusing on how you could change yourself in order to fix things'. But you can never fix things because he doesnt want to fix things. He wants you to suffer.

OP know this - your feelings are valid.

No one deserves to be abused like this. You cannot change you to fix him. And, I'm sorry but please realise - you are not his partner, you are his victim. He has nothing but contempt for you. He means you harm. He will destroy you if you stay.

Please get yourself as far away from him as possible.whayever it takes. Your children deserve to see their mother happy and free.

JanuaryJonez · 18/02/2021 14:43

Oh OP this is awful Thanks

You've been conditioned over the years of being with him to think this is normal. It's not. It's emotional as well physical abuse.

You deserve and will find far better partners out there but you need to start the journey of separating from this man now.

Good luck.

Icloud54 · 18/02/2021 14:47

The only one not normal is him

randommum82 · 18/02/2021 14:50

This might be the first thread I've read that just got worse and worse and worse. Coercion is a form of abuse, and this is sexual coercion. You said no, he made you do it anyway. You didn't want to be there, he made you go. Then when you left he was thrilled and you were miserable. Not surprised since you were basically sexually abused for his amusement.

An absolutely terrible man. There is nothing wrong with you - why are you with this truly hideous character? I feel sick to my stomach. What man is so selfish that he would leave a club like that happy while his partner is miserable? How tone deaf and self centred can you get? Not all men are like this! Pleas leave as soon as you can and find someone better, hes a monster.

Peanuts01 · 18/02/2021 14:53

@Wanderlusto

One of the worst things I've read here op and I've been about in some capacity for a good 5 years or so.

Start reading as much as you can about abuse.

There are YouTube vloggers such as melanie tonia Evans who talk about narcissists too. Obviously, never let him know what you are learning though.

You need to get yourself to safety. Theres so much to pick apart in your original post. But as others have mentioned, he is sexually abusing you.

Abusers like to say 'everyone else is...' and make out you are wrong/abnomal ect to not want to do something. They like to compliment other women infront of you in order to bring down your self esteem (it's part of narcissistic triangulation).

Always remember that his aim is to break you. He wants you to feel crazy/weak/stupid ect and that you have no right to feel the way you feel about anything. They also like to keep you on a merry go round of 'prove your love/innocence/trust/honest/warmth to me'. So that instead of realising their behaviours is not acceptable, you are too busy focusing on how you could change yourself in order to fix things'. But you can never fix things because he doesnt want to fix things. He wants you to suffer.

OP know this - your feelings are valid.

No one deserves to be abused like this. You cannot change you to fix him. And, I'm sorry but please realise - you are not his partner, you are his victim. He has nothing but contempt for you. He means you harm. He will destroy you if you stay.

Please get yourself as far away from him as possible.whayever it takes. Your children deserve to see their mother happy and free.

@Wanderlusto he always compares me to other women and tells me that they have sex frequently with their partners so i should. I do stand up any say, you cant compare me to someone im not that person. I am safe here until i find somewhere, i have told him its over and im not going to give into his behaviour to please him
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Peanuts01 · 18/02/2021 14:57

@randommum82 i had mentioned to him it was coercion. But his view was that because i have done whatever its not, and that i could have said no at any point. But i knew if i said no i would have to hear him say "if you dont give me it i will go elsewhere" and that im boring for not trying new things. And i would be ignored and given the cold shoulder

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Wanderlusto · 18/02/2021 15:01

Yes, its standard tactics for his sort. To make you feels if you arent 'as good as'.

I'm glad you feel safe op but please take no chances. Maybe put a lock on your bedroom door so at nights you can sleep easy. Because he has displayed sexual cohesion and it isbt that big of a step from that to sexual violence.

You are dealing with someone who is fundamentally damaged (psychopath or narcissist or similar) and dangerous. And they do not tend to take things well when you tell them its over.

Read up on narcissistic hoovering tactics (things they do when it's over to try get you back. Maniplations). You might not see these until he realises you are definately leaving him but they are handy to know.

Might also be worthwhile speaking to a solicitor and womens aid and the people who will sort your child support ect... just arm yourself as best as you can cause knowledge is power.

randommum82 · 18/02/2021 15:05

He says all couples have ups and downs. True, but not all couples try to remedy this by forcing one partner to be sexually abused for their entertainment!!! He's gaslighting you- it is not normal AT ALL for your partner to push you into sex when you're ready, who the fuck are his friends that he keeps saying do xyz? They sound as sick as he is.

Your instinct about yourself is correct. This not YOUR fault, it's his fault. Who would want to have sex with a man who coerced them in this way? The answer is no one, neither did you, but he wore you down anyway because he thinks he knows better. Ah yes, rape is always a great way to kick start a lost libido Hmm

And this is not your fault. You had no frame of reference. But I hope these replies help you see how twisted your partner is, and that you need to leave him for your own wellbeing. It's not 10 years thrown away, we are learning all the time. You learnt 10 years of what a healthy sexual dynamic does NOT look like. Take that information, be kind to yourself and run for the hills.

Heartofgoldmumof2 · 18/02/2021 15:17

Please leave this man. It is rape, sexual abuse and coercive control. No wonder you do want to have sex with him after how he has treated you. As a sexual object and piece of meat. To be used by others.

Please leave and let us know how you are getting on. I would love to hear that you are free, feeling safe and happier.

Wanderlusto · 18/02/2021 15:17

Agree with pp, its been a learning experience.
Also, better to 'throw away' 10 years than spend the rest of your life with an evil psycho.

Dont get drawn into speaking with him op. You should never have to explain to someone why their cruel, hurtful behaviour is not ok.

He knows! He just doesnt want you to know he knows! Because then youd realise the horrifying truth. That this is not a misunderstanding. That he hates doesnt care about your needs or feelings. Infact, in his case - he enjoys hurting you.

randommum82 · 18/02/2021 16:12

He's already worn you down into sex when you didn't want to do it, then sex with people you didn't want to sleep with, what next? Sex with total strangers while he watches? Sex for money? It sounds extreme, but when we hear about women who get trafficked, we wonder how it happened. This is how it happens, step by step, one boundary pushed at a time. I don't think you're in danger of being trafficked, but I hope that example helps you see how he has taken baby steps to wear you down. You don't have to be screaming 'Stop! No!' or fighting back for it to be sexual abuse, so his excuse of 'well you didn't say no' is bullshit. You didn't enthusiastically say yes either, and in a normal couple, that's the only acceptable reaction, to want to be there, to want the other person. Not to be gritting your teeth through experiences you want no part of because they convinced you that that's what you should do. He makes me want to vomit!

Let's see how much he'd like it if you decided you're into pegging him, and went on and on and on about it about how all your other friends do it so what's the problem, and that he should be less boring and open to trying new things.

gaijinetal · 18/02/2021 16:12

What a sleazy, sex obsessed, degenerate, gas-lighting, lying (about what's normal and what "everybody" does), abusive selfish bastard.

I got to the pushing you to have sex before even 6 weeks (minimum safe time I think) after both caesarian & natural birth and I thought that was bad enough ... Before the fkg coercing you I to swinging.

That dude is led by his dick and doesn't care about anything but himself and it.

He got you very young & naive. You sound like you're seeing him and the "relationship" he's set up with you for what it is.

He's a shit partner and guys like this song usually change. I've met a few, usually single (cause they keep getting dumped for to their behaviour or cause they cheat) in their middle age; last time I met one he was talking about trips to Thailand (to use the cheap (poor & forced).young prostitutes there; apparently it's the greatest place ever.
Their kids know what they're like and just take any money they can get off them and roll their eyes at their behaviour.

One guy who's a bit younger met a woman who was into swinging etc too. Their relationship is a car crash though. She took another man home on her own during one of their breaks and he let himself into her house and bear him up so ended up in court. Then when she was in a clinic for depression (surprise, surprise) he was arrested for indecent behaviour towards her young adult daughter & her friend who was staying over. You won't change guys like him. You just get far way from them, absolute minimum contact for kids ... A d be glad you're not having to deal with their sex obsessed, degenerate little lives.

Justcallmebebes · 18/02/2021 16:24

That's so upsetting OP. This is my very first LTB. This is in no way normal

Haffiana · 18/02/2021 16:30

I bet he watches a lot of porn and gets his ideas of 'normal' from that.

OP, another one saying leave him. How can anyone make the person that they supposedly love do something that makes them upset and uncomfortable? He must actually really hate you deep down.

Imagine if you had an adult daughter and she told you this was happening with her partner. What would you advise her to do?

Haffiana · 18/02/2021 16:31

On a practical note, do you have your own income? Do you have equity in your current house?

rawalpindithelabrador · 18/02/2021 16:31

Abusive in all ways. He's raped you. It's not you, it's an abusive twat who doesn't see women as human beings but as toys to service his king cock. He's a disgusting specimen.

CaravaggioLover · 18/02/2021 16:36

How does he know what other people do? He's a liar.
Dump him ASAP. He's a loser and, frankly, an abuser.
Do you want your dc to have an abusive arse as a father? Do you want them to see you being exploited and bullied? If the answer is "No", then drop him like the lead weight around your neck that he is.
Good luck OP.

Holothane · 18/02/2021 16:37

Please get out this an awful way to live, in fact it’s not living it’s just existing.hugs

Opentooffers · 18/02/2021 16:52

Never ever do anything sexual to or with a man or anyone else just to appease him. Swing in is not the norm, normal time taken after giving birth is when the woman says she's ready and not before. He's lied to you continually, because he knows you have no experience to draw on other that him. His behaviour is not a yardstick to what is normal, he's so far from it he's abusive. I'm glad you are seeking that now, you are still young enough to build a whole new life without him, don't let him ruin any more of your life. Going forward you need to get out of the habit of being a man-pleaser. I hope you seek counseling to unpick the damage that he and your father have done. It seams your fear of men has lead you to be manipulated by a particularly nasty one, you don't want this to happen again, so take plenty of time out of relationships and give yourself time to heal before embarking on another one. Time to concentrate on your lovely DC's. The purest love is Frome your children, and will be all you need for now.

imalmostthere · 18/02/2021 16:59

What in the fuck?! He's abusing you in so many ways - it's terrifying !! Run far away and never look back! He's hideous

SoulofanAggron · 18/02/2021 17:42

I am safe here until i find somewhere, i have told him its over and im not going to give into his behaviour to please him

i had mentioned to him it was coercion.

I recommend keeping your head down @Peanuts01 , don't confront him any more about it, just leave ASAP. It's the point at which the woman says she's going to leave that some of this guys turn nasty.

His sexual stuff could turn violent now you've said you're going to leave. I'm just saying that because I don't want you coming to any harm. Say nothing more that might set him off, just plan your escape.

What do you plan to do?