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A sex one

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LivingDeadDoll · 12/02/2021 07:02

I'm in my mid 40s and have never had a good relationship.

I lost my virginity at 19 but didn't really have a lot of sex. Most of the sex I had was drunken, missionary and a bit dull. I was raped twice before 21 which really put me off sex and I became fearful of it although I didn't realise that at the time really.

I married a man who was a virgin. We married because we were best friends not because we fancied or romantically loved each other. We had sex a few times in the early days but he was very inexperienced and there was no passion. We were together for 12 long, dull, sexless years.

After him, I decided I was going to have a bit of a personal sexual revolution but it didn't really work put that way. I've probably had sex with 8 men in the last 10 years. First, was a fuck buddy and that was the first time I'd even shared a bath with someone - I was 38. After that, I met men who really only wanted to do missionary - roll on, grunt a few times, roll off. Or had ED and so preferred hand jobs or bjs.

In late 2019, I started dating a man who was very sexual. I was so unbelievably attracted to him but my past all came back to haunt me and sex was a disaster. I was hugely intimidated by his experience and I felt woefully inadequate which made me really withdrawn sexually. I realised that I'm not very good with the spontaneous aspect of sex and I need there to be a lot of communication around it - what's going to be done, how etc. I told him about my past and how there are certain positions I find really triggering. He was incredibly understanding but I think it made him a bit fearful of initiating and upsetting me and he started waiting for me to do so. This, in turn, knocked my confidence further and I felt like he had gone off me sexually so I didn't really and, 5 months ago, I ended it.

There is obviously a lot of care and affection still there. For the first few weeks after breaking up, we saw each other only as friends. As Christmas approached, we became a lot closer. No sex or even hints at it but we spent about 3 months taking it slowly and getting to know each other again without the pressure of a label or expectations. We flirted and become a lot closer emotionally. A couple of weeks ago we had sex. It was really nice but I still had anxious feelings around it. We've seen each other about 3 times since. Had sex on one other occasion but the other times not. There's no expectation of sex and he is really respectful when we do.

I suppose none of it is simple in my head. I want an exciting and interesting sex life within a loving relationship but I'm plagued with feelings of inadequacy and the knowledge that, whatever we do, he'll have memories of doing similar with other women who were younger, slimmer, more confident and better skilled than me. I don't want him to feel he's having to 'teach' me and I'd feel small and insecure and stupid if he did. Although he's nothing other than kind and caring.

I feel big and awkward having sex. I'm torn between trying to sort this out and just accepting that I'm approaching 50 in the next few years and that sex and relationships are just something I need to accept isn't going to happen for me and put it in the past.

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Weirdfan · 17/02/2021 13:21

Ha, another lightbulb moment, me too OP Smile

justilou1 · 17/02/2021 22:39

Here’s the thing.... I think you have form for assuming all men are shallow. (There’s probably a reason for that... MOST are 🤣) This man is sharing his time with you. He is not pressuring you in any way. You feel comfortable in his presence. You are comfortable having your child around him. (I am fairly sure you are very selective about who you let your kid hang out with, if I read you correctly...) All of these show that he has good moral character, and you know this. AND this hasn’t scared you off yet. He isn’t out to rescue you, either. This man seems to genuinely like and respect you, or he wouldn’t share his time with you. Life has taught me that words are empty and action is everything. I’m not going to presume that he’s madly in love with you, but I can assure you that he cares. Doing the grunt work is an act of nurturing in a man’s love language. That’s so valuable. You read the forums here and you will see people who should be in the throes of the honeymoon period, trying to get their partner off the x-box to help empty the bloody dishwasher, or hold their own baby so they can do a poo or have a shower. This guy sounds pretty real to me.

Pipgrin · 19/02/2021 17:21

No real advice but just wanted to say I can relate to your posts a huge amount. I was raped when I was younger and now have a fear of sex, coupled with shame around inexperience for my age. Relationship sex is terrifying for me because it's true intimacy and I just don't know how to handle it with someone who apparently cares for me. I'm a little more comfortable with casual sex but not much. Me and my partner haven't done it for over a year now.
Sounds like you've found someone lovely who values you for who you are, you deserve it. I wish you strength and love in overcoming these issues. Pm if you ever want to talk

LivingDeadDoll · 20/02/2021 04:43

Thanks. Sorry I've been a bit rubbish about replying - moving house today so I've been packing 🙄

Justilou1

Yes, you're right again. I do think a lot of men are very shallow but he is proving to be something different. And I am very careful who i let my daughter spend time with. I watch his interaction with her very carefully and would have stopped it immediately if there had been anything I wasn't happy with - I ended one brief relationship because he tried parenting her with a "Me and your mum..." because it's "Me and her.." where the boundary lies - or if she seemed unhappy with it. She knows she comes first and she likes him.

I can see what you mean about the genuine like and care too. I think, once I've moved in and am settled, i probably need to talk to him though about what we are and what happens next. I'm not very settled with the 'limbo' ness of it at the moment. And I don't really know what i want. But i know that I don't want a casual sex thing.

Pipgrin

I'm so sorry for your experience Flowers but its oddly reassuring that others feel similarly. I don't have anyone in real life that I can talk to about these things - none of my friends have a fear of sex and, when we have talked, they are all very confident and quite adventurous. I feel like a bit of a fraud/freak tbh Sad I don't want someone I'm with to have a diminished sexual.experience because of my hang ups either. Did you explain your fears and feelings to your partner?

The sad thing is, I really want a good and fulfilling sex life and I want my partner to have one too. When we were together, I did tell this man and he was surprised. He said that he didn't get a sense of fear from me and that I was always 'enthusastic'. I think he was a bit worried about the possible implications of that too Sad I explained that he was very responsive when I clearly.wasnt comfortable with something and that helped but I do a lot of 'masking' of my feelings during sex and, like you, it has just fallen off the table eventually (quite quickly). I have done a couple of things with him that I've never done before. Or tried things and then become more confident with it. But only since we have split up! I suppose because it falls into the category of 'casual sex' rather than 'sex in a relationship' now. I need to find a way of building intimacy so I can do the relationship stuff too.

Thank you for your invitation to PM too x

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youkiddingme · 20/02/2021 05:24

You can have sex with hundreds of people and still be rubbish in bed if you haven't learned to find out what your partner likes. I once had a man tell me, when I was trying to gently tell him what I would really like that he'd been having sex for years and knew what he was doing! My first partner had a thing that drove him wild in seconds that I tried on another partner and was told he didn't like it.
A huge part of the fun, and a way of getting to enhance the intimacy and connect is trying new things together. And it doesn't matter if he has done some of those things with other people, he will not be taking notes for comparison, it will be about what is happening here and now with you.

As someone who has also been abused and raped, I can remember being really quite bold sexually, but only if I felt I was calling the shots. Real communication and opening up in connection with sex was really hard. It took a while for me to realise that I had grown an armour of the bold me that covered the vulnerable me and I had to work on melding them together.

You sound like you are actually moving forwards. Be patient with yourself and do get more therapy if you get to a specific sticking point. Your man sounds lovely and he sounds happy to be around you, in or out of the bedroom. If you're worried that he's not happy with anything ask him as much as you feel you can. Once you start the ball rolling it gets easier, though you might well find roadblocks along the way - but those too can be surmounted when you are ready. Flowers

LivingDeadDoll · 20/02/2021 05:39

I can remember being really quite bold sexually, but only if I felt I was calling the shots

It took a while for me to realise that I had grown an armour of the bold me that covered the vulnerable me and I had to work on melding them together.

This really resonates with me.

You're right. I am.moving forward. It feels like such slow progress though.

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justilou1 · 20/02/2021 08:56

It’s totally logical for those of us who have been raped or sexually abused to feel too vulnerable to relax and enjoy the moment if that moment is triggering. It is “safer” for us to explore the darker corners of our sexual psyche if we feel that there is no risk of that guy hanging around and getting to know the “real” (vulnerable) person that we are. A genuine, caring partner will make allowances for those vulnerabilities and see us as a PERSON - not just conveniently placed wet orifices for them to put their fun bits in. (Not meaning to be smug, but I have been married now for 17 years and my sexual boundaries have never even come close to being questioned at all. I don’t question his fidelity, and I’m satisfied with where we’re at right now. My DH caught me by surprise too - while we’ve had our ups and downs - he is everything I never believed existed, too.)

justilou1 · 20/02/2021 08:57

*Also not uncommon for women to become less “bold” sexually as we get older and more protective of our daughter’s burgeoning sexuality.

Babdoc · 20/02/2021 18:05

I think it was Groucho Marx who said “I wouldn’t join any club that would have me as a member”.
OP, you risk sabotaging your own happiness by ending any relationship that threatens to become intimate and emotionally involved rather than just sexual. Or feeling so anxious and afraid of intimacy that you avoid the sex as well.
It is understandable that you are very vulnerable, given your history. But this chap sounds to be doing all the right things, giving you space and time, not pushing, showing willingness to help with all the chores and unromantic grunt work (like filling the skip) - he is demonstrating to you his reliability and emotional soundness.
I think some more therapy would be very helpful - particularly to work on your self esteem. I was appalled that you describe yourself as “damaged goods” - you are nothing of the kind, and that is a devastatingly judgmental and destructive label to give yourself.
If you learn to love and respect yourself, your confidence may grow enough to allow you to have uninhibited sex without all the overthinking and worry that you currently suffer from.
I hope you can work this out and have the happy normal life that you have denied yourself up to now.

LivingDeadDoll · 22/02/2021 07:12

I think it was Groucho Marx who said “I wouldn’t join any club that would have me as a member”.

Funny you should say that, I nearly used that quote on here the other day. It's exactly how I feel.

I moved house over the weekend. He got up extra early.to come and help and spent the day lugging heavy stuff around without any expectation of anything in return.

This house move is a completely fresh start for me. There are a lot of bad memories and negativity attached to the old place and i feel 'lighter' already.

I'm going to wait until I've settled in and then have a conversation with him about what we are and what's happening. I don't want to start my new life with any uncertainty or negativity. I don't want an fwb.

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SoulofanAggron · 22/02/2021 08:20

Congratulations on your new place @LivingDeadDoll . xxx Best wishes. x

LivingDeadDoll · 22/02/2021 10:30

Thank you! 😊

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justilou1 · 22/02/2021 11:21

I think you’re on the road to somewhere good regardless. You sound like you have a really high EQ and you’re very certain of your boundaries. I’m so proud of you!

LivingDeadDoll · 22/02/2021 15:36

justilou1

Thank you. That actually means a lot.

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Cinderstella · 22/02/2021 17:07

IMO he cares deeply for you. He’s waited and taken things slowly and at your pace. He sounds respectful and most likely loves you. It certainly sounds that way from your description. Don’t worry about other women he’s been with. If he cared about any of them he would still be with them and he isn’t. He’s obviously prepared to put in the time and effort for you.

LivingDeadDoll · 22/02/2021 18:02

He doesn't love me but I will accept that he cares.

Either that or he is really bored during lockdown!

(Actually I know he's really bored during lockdown...)

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justilou1 · 22/02/2021 20:35

There is a vast difference between bored and helping someone move house!

LivingDeadDoll · 23/02/2021 10:54

Yes, I see what you mean.

I think this might run a little deeper than just being about sex and translates into how I regard my 'worth' generally.

I was with him when he made a phone call shortly after helping me sort out the loft and he he referred to it as, "Something to do," and breaking the boredom of lockdown. I think I just latched onto that. Maybe I took it too literally...

I wouldn't offer to help someone move house unless I actually cared about them. It's such hard work!

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justilou1 · 23/02/2021 13:35

Of course it’s all about self-worth! I bet that comment cut you to the quick. I think you need to talk to him soon.

youkiddingme · 23/02/2021 16:16

"Something to do," - I would guess playing it down. He doesn't want to go into it with whoever was on the phone.

Babdoc · 23/02/2021 16:50

Exactly, youkiddingme - of course he would minimise it on the phone. A genuinely nice chap is hardly going to boast about how wonderful he is being in helping his girlfriend clear an attic and fill a skip! He would self deprecate and say he was just doing it as he was bored.
OP, please don’t overthink everything with a negative spin. Admit the possibility that you are lovable, and he loves being with you!

CraftyYankee · 23/02/2021 18:11

Even during lockdown, no one is bored enough that they help someone move house ALL DAY just for something to do. Give yourself (and him) some credit!

justilou1 · 24/02/2021 11:44

Also, he doesn’t know where HE stands with you and doesn’t want to make YOU uncomfortable by saying anything about your relationship that would do so....

LivingDeadDoll · 24/02/2021 12:49

Actually, that's a good point, justilou1

I was telling him the other day that the house move felt really liberating for me. That I'd been in a rut for a few years and had lost myself a bit. All of which is true. The new house, emptying the loft, filling a skip... all feels like I'm clearing out the literal and metaphorical shit from my life.

He didn't really say much in response other than, "What does that say about me then?" or similar. I didn't really know what to say so i just said something about it not including him but I didn't know what to say because I don't know where i stand with him either.

The truth is that it was things not working out with him that made me realise how much of a rut i was in. I didn't feel worthy of him because I didn't really feel worthy of myself. And I can already feel that changing.

Oh and it was a neighbour he was talking to on the phone. Not someone he knows well. He was offering her some of my children's old toys for her children. So I guess it would make sense that he wouldnt say much whatever the truth was.

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justilou1 · 24/02/2021 14:00

I have a feeling both of you feel the same as each other and the only people on the planet who can’t see it are you two. I bet your daughter can.