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SIL and money issues

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ChopinandChampagne · 24/01/2021 13:01

I recently lost my DH and I thought that it would be nice to give some money to my DGDs, both toddlers, to set aside for their future as a gift from him. Realistically, they will not remember him, but I thought that if they have some money to spend on travel or driving lessons or to help with their university costs or whatever, they would think of him and know how much he loved them, even though he didn't live to see them grow up.

I did some internet research and the suggestions were for a Junior Isa, which a parent would need to set up, and I would then pay into, and the child could access at 18. Alternatively, a savings account, which I would be able to set up as a grandparent, as long as I produce a copy of the birth certificate, which the child can access and take over at 16.

So far, so good and, I thought, relatively uncontroversial, so I suggested it to my DD and said that I wanted to give each of the DGDs £10k from DH and the options. I said that I wanted it to be a separate account and that suggested that she open a Junior Isa or that I should open a savings account. Her response was that she would have to discuss it with SIL and I said fine, thought no more it. Then, I sense that there is a bit of tension and DD says she wants to set up a telephone call with both her and SIL one evening, to discuss the matter after the DGDs are in bed. This was a text, so I reply saying fine, is now a good time, but DD said not, but we could schedule a couple of days later, but only if she has completed her coursework for her studies.

Then, a couple of days ago, I receive an email from SIL, from whom I never hear anything direct, advising me that if I really want to put money in an account, he will open one, but that he thinks that it is a bad idea, as inflation will erode the money. He thinks I should invest it in gold bullion or some other specific account (he says he has recently opened one for DD), and he provided links to various websites.

The tone of the email comes across, not as friendly advice, but telling me what to do. I have said that I will have a rethink, but I am worried about offending him if I don't follow his advice. I feel that he is trying to control how I invest the money. He refers to it as my wanting to invest for the DGD's future, which it is partly, but it is also about wanting the DGDs to remember or be reminded of DH. I don't really want to invest in bullion, as I think it's a bit volatile, and the idea of a bank account is that the DGDs would get the bank statements and maybe learn how to save.

Does anyone have any advice on how best to handle this diplomatically? There is quite a bit of history with SIL (Lobster Boy for those who remember my previous threads), but things are on a reasonably even keel at present and I currently have a good relationship with DD, which I don't want to upset. She says that there is no rush to decide how best to invest the money, it is important to get it right.

OP posts:
NeilBuchananisBanksy · 29/06/2021 05:40

Please don't discuss the will with her.

Also- why were you ringing LB? Your D has stopped replying to a perfectly reasonable/normal/nice request and you ring him? I can't begin to even fathom why you though it was a good idea. You have no relationship with him.

The fact you called him and are considering discussing the will as a way to get 1:1 time with her makes me feel very sad for you. You seem desperate for any kind of crumbs they throw you.

Please work on getting your boundaries in place- for your own sake. Something needs to change here- you can't change them, only your reactions.

I don't mean to sound harsh- I am being firm with you but I think you need it. You have been doing so well but your last message, I'm not so sure you really understand who you are dealing with here.

Comeinoutoftherain · 29/06/2021 06:41

I have read your threads for a long time but rarely comment.

Book to go see your god-daughter and then tell DD1 when you will be around and where you will be staying. Then it's up to her.

I agree with others - stop trying to lure her with talk of money and wills, it's searching for crumbs and if she comes just because of that, you will feel more dejected.

She chooses to stay with her husband, and until she is ready to step away, there is little you can do, she will continue to remain under his influence.

I also agree with making sure the discretionary trusts aren't managed by either parent. Your other DD's might be the ones to ask, as they'll need to be around when the GC are adults. It might be a bit raw at the moment, but difficult conversations often are.

ChopinandChampagne · 29/06/2021 06:58

Thanks for your replies and I know that you are all correct. I will wait until I receive a reply or if I don't hear anything I will ask DD if she is ok. If she asks why I called LB, I will say that I was just ringing to ask him what he would like for his birthday, which is quite soon.

Neil - you are right that I can only change my own reaction. Thank you for telling me this and 'being firm' - I need it. I do know this and I do feel that I have made a lot of progress with the support of my friends here and my therapist. But sometimes I feel weak. I spend a lot of time remembering DH and the times we spent together, which obviously include our DDs, including DD1, when she was born, when she was a baby, growing up etc. I thought that the one and only positive to come from his death might be that the family could reunite. Sometimes, I see women out and about with their daughters and DGC, so happy and natural together, and it makes me yearn for the same. Why can't we be like that?

I thought that, having lost DH, DD1 would be keen to spend time with me. In fact, I am sure that she does want to spend time with me, but she has to talk to LB about everything and get his permission. She cajoles him and expects me to do likewise, so any relationship is only ever on his terms. Nothing has changed really, but I am feeling more vulnerable because I don't have DH. However, I am feeling much stronger today. The grief seems to hit me in waves but, just as I feel that I am up, I sink to a new depth. Apparently this is a normal grief pattern and my therapist thinks that I am doing well.

Another - My other DDs are not missing out financially compared with DD1. They both have the use of the house where I live and a flat in London and receive an allowance whilst they are still studying. We spend a lot of time together and I like to treat them to meals out and the theatre etc. I want to help them buy a property when my finances are sorted out, but they are not bothered at present and are happy with things as they are.

OP posts:
NeilBuchananisBanksy · 29/06/2021 07:05

I'm glad I didn't upset you.

You are grieving twice over - once for you DH and for your D. It must be torture and it's very easy for me to say these things as a bystander. I do appreciate it isn't easy.

Please don't text her asking if she's ok though. Leave her to come to you. You did nothing wrong in asking what you did. Don't chase her.

Good plan about your excuse for why you called LB if it comes up. But I would really encourage you to think hard about why you called him in the first place? What is it you were trying to achieve. Something to unpick with your therapist perhaps. I'm honestly astounded you called him.

Glad you are feeling stronger today Smile

Mix56 · 29/06/2021 08:09

I wonder if LB deleted the message? You say he often has her phone.
Grasping at straws a bit I know.
Just the fact she has to "ask" LB every time you suggest anything shows how much she is controlled.
U would be tempted, When she rings next, to ask her if she got the message ? Is it something she would like ? a brief day visit from her mother should be supportable, Why does she bother ringing if when you are right on her doorstep she clearly wants nothing to do with you ? She doesn't work, so she has no other imperative commitments...
What happened in her life that she became so reticent, unable to make her own decisions?
You can see the phone calls are ultimately about the money.
I wonder how she would feel if one day her own daughters behaved to her as she has ti you.
She should think about it.

Re trust for dgc, if your other 2 dds are trustees, LB will put pressure on to access the money, it may very well drive a big wedge between dd1 & the others

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 29/06/2021 08:32

Oh OP I have been following your threads from the start and commented on occasion. You are doing so well but please do not go down the route of paying DD1 to see her and DGC. I know its easy for us all to comment that, but is a pay per view relationship truly satisfying?
I am sure you know the concept of grief. Anger/ denial/ bargaining/ acceptance etc. This is not a linear thing and can be very changeable until you reach acceptance.
You are still very much in bargaining/ denial etc. With DD1. I think accepting the reality of this situation on top of the unbearable loss of your DH just too much.
Give yourself permission to step right back if you feel the drama escalating. You do not have to be Mother Theresa here, you matter too, so much.
I absolutely admire your patience and tolerance! Gather support regarding financial stuff and enjoy the fleeting summer with people who are eager to spend time with you and who love you unconditionally.

tattychicken · 29/06/2021 08:44

Can you solicitor act as trustee? I know it will cost but it might well be worth it for peace of mind and not to get DD2 and DD3 embroiled in arguments with LB and DD1. Keeps it clean and independent from emotions.

tattychicken · 29/06/2021 08:44

*your solicitor

KatherineSiena · 29/06/2021 09:09

I agree with having a neutral trustee in the mix, a solicitor is an obvious choice but could you also add in a trusted relative, would your BiL do this? Or another male relative? I feel LB is rather misogynistic from your posts and his behaviour towards your daughter. He might be less inclined to steamroll another man. In any case having a couple/few trustees makes sense.

I do feel for you as you are clearly trying to honour your DH’s memory and wishes both financially and emotionally. Of course you too want to restore and recover your relationship with your daughter and get to know your granddaughters but it mustn’t come at the price of your own mental health nor your relationship with your other daughters. Grief isn’t linear and there will be days when you feel overwhelmed but there will be better days when you feel up to facing the world. I think you’re doing great and your other daughters sound fab so hang on to that.

I think Neil gave you good advice. Try to keep your interactions with them light and breezy and forge ahead with making other arrangements so you aren’t waiting on tenterhooks for them to make decisions. 💐

Mix56 · 29/06/2021 09:22

Yes at least one male trustee, hopefully who will outlive you !

Immunetypegoblin · 29/06/2021 11:19

Yes, please do make arrangements to see your goddaughter. If DD1 says that you were nearby and didn't call in then you can mildly remind her that she never replied to your message about dropping in, so you assumed she'd prefer you didn't.

Evenkeel · 29/06/2021 12:53

Dear Chopin, I’m delurking as well - I posted much earlier on, back on your previous thread (have name changed though) and have been watching with huge concern ever since.

I’ve also had a bereavement recently and find myself thinking back to the past and wishing I’d done things differently. I can understand your impulse now to somehow ’sort things out’, and the often overwhelming urge to make gestures that, at less emotionally desperate times, you would see aren’t that well-advised.

I’m glad you’re getting good counsel from a therapist and have the support of your other two DDs. Very sadly, I do still feel that DD1 and LB are playing you (whether DD1 is controlled or not, as I’m sure she is to a large degree) and to appease them would be a terrible mistake. I’m so glad that you aren’t going to mention wills to DD1. Money, as a topic of conversation in any form, should be right off the table, in my view. It’s the only thing they’ve shown themselves to be truly interested in, I’m so sorry to say.

I feel so badly for you. I wouldn’t wish this grief of loss on anyone.

LorthernNights · 29/06/2021 13:53

I hope you are ok Chopin . I noticed your posts were late last night and early this morning . Hope you got some decent sleep in between .

I echo what everyone else had said about arranging to see your goddaughter ( how nice that you have such a lovely relationship with her). If your daughter wants to fit in around that so be it but don’t push it.

I understand how you feel sad when you see other people out with their daughters and grandchildren but I’m sure others who see you with DD 2 and DD3 may feel equally envious. You never really know what’s behind the scenes .

I also understand why you feel you need to make contact ( even texting LB ) when you are at that very low point I really do . I kept trying to contact my daughter for a while only to be met with silence or abuse but still I kept trying. After a time I decided to delete her number from my phone ( DH still had it on his in case of emergency) and she could still contact me but it meant in the depths of despair I couldn’t impulsively contact her . Maybe you could do this with LB’s number . Write it down and put it somewhere not easily accessible or give it to a trusted friend and delete from your phone .

I know too that your DD is clearly totally influenced by LB but she is choosing him over anything else . It doesn’t really matter how loving her words are . Actions are what really matters and she is not being kind.

If the death of her Dad hasn’t pulled her up short and made her see what she is doing I doubt anything else will .

This is such a hard thing to deal with even without the devastating loss of your DH . Sending 💐

Sssloou · 29/06/2021 14:59

I thought that the one and only positive to come from his death might be that the family could reunite.

This is the tragedy and so painful that it is now becoming very apparent that this is not ever going to happen.

Moving towards acceptance in your own heart and mind and then making peace with this situation as it stands is where you will find release.

That sounds like a simple process but it is far from easy. It is excruciating and as PP has said is another parallel grief process that is very hard to move through.

All you actually have is a very shallow and very unstable digital communication link with every last punctuation mark censored, assessed and controlled by LB. You will get no more.

Although this is “better” than you had for many years, these disgraceful “crumbs” of a “relationship” are toxic and causing you to be emotionally eroded through the relentless and punishing push-pull dynamic.

You need to protect yourself from this otherwise you will become very ill.

You need to get your head out of their game.

This situation is not going to resolve to how you wish, want or need it to be.

Accepting that is your mission.

You will just get more and more hurt and the situation will get more and more complex. The risk is always that contact with DD1 / DGDs will cease totally.

In the depleted state of grief anyone risks becoming desperate, with distorted thinking and impulsivity - putting themselves at risk of further deep turmoil.

Feel the deep sadness, hurt, anger, frustration and devastation about the denial of a relationship with your DD1 and DGDs - because it’s a huge and unnecessary loss ... process this with professional help, friends and family but take no actions with LB/DD1 - you will have to accept that this is what it is.

I agree with PP to delete LB number. You are far too fragile and vulnerable to get involved with a soul sucker like him.

He will chew you up and spit you out.

Don’t be tempted to lock horns with him, he will destroy you and your and your DDs don’t deserve that.

Do whatever you can to compartmentalise and protect yourself from their antics. Keep your emotional distance and keep distracted with taking care of yourself and honouring your grief for your DH. That’s your priority.

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 29/06/2021 15:26

If she asks why I called LB, I will say that I was just ringing to ask him what he would like for his birthday, which is quite soon.

Just a small point, but I wouldn't say this. You'll end up being expected to send him an expensive present, or worse, berated next year when you send a slightly less expensive present and they decide to take offence at this. I thought they didn't celebrate birthdays anyway? Or is it different when it's theirs?

You are a much nicer person than me @ChopinandChampagne, as your posts here show, because my thought would be to send him the sodding gulag novel they sent your DH, with a note saying that this was obviously something meaningful to him as he'd made a present of it for your DH's last birthday, and that because of that, now DH has gone, it's your dear wish that LB should have it instead. But that's me..

I agree that it's better not to entangle yourself with speaking to LB at all. But if you ever do or find you need a reason, I would have some dull but worthy question about house renovation to ask his advice on, since that's 'his thing'. That keeps it away from the arena of money. You can be sure he won't offer to do any such work for you to save you money and/or trouble.

Mix56 · 29/06/2021 15:36

I'm afraid I agree with Sssloou,
I think you should step right back from DD1, I know its going to hurt , it is indeed excruciating to read, so must be destroying you slowly.
You have to let her go, & hope she will at some point see how she is being controlled.
Being kept dangling over a visit, that you are prepared to make, driving alone across the country & once again being snubbed, is not OK, it's unjustifiable.

LadyEloise · 29/06/2021 15:43

I totally agree with Evenkeel when she writes "........ I do still feel DD1 and LB are playing you....and to appease them would be a terrible mistake...... Money, as a topic of conversation in any form, should be right off the table......it's the only thing they've shown themselves to be truly interested in....."
So true Sad

SugarPlumRoar · 29/06/2021 18:20

Chopin I've lurked on your threads for a while but haven't posted before. I feel dreadfully sorry for you and everything you have and are going through.

I apologise if this may sound harsh but I do think you need to consider the possibility that DD1 isn't under LBs control or spell and this is just who she is.

My grandparents are estranged from my mother their daughter and my father. For years they blamed my father for changes in my mother, that she was under his spell and couldn't understand why she had been such a lovely daughter until her and my father married and turned out so different to her siblings.

The truth is that my father was and is an abusive man, but wasn't to my mother. I believe that she met my father and he allowed and encouraged her to be her true self which was a hideously selfish and awful person. Both of my parents inflicted horrific emotional and physical abuse on me and my siblings and it wasn't until I was an adult that I found my voice to tell people including our family what my parents and in particular my mother was like.

My mother's version of events of course is that none of what I say is true and she is estranged from her parents and family simply because they didn't like my father.

I don't doubt LB has influence over DD1 but I also feel DD1 is full aware of her actions and the impacts of what she says and does especially when it comes to you and LB has allowed and encouraged her to embrace her selfish and manipulative nature.

I'm so sorry if this is hurtful, I don't wish to hurt you more than you already are but I'm deeply concerned of how much faith and hope that you have that DD1 is under a spell and will some day come around and be her old self and that if/when that doesn't happen it's going to be a very deep and painful wound for you

Lockdowntherabbithole · 29/06/2021 19:45

Hi @ChopinandChampagne,

I have to say that I think @SugarPlumRoar is correct in what they say. I wonder if you partly think this too- I know you’ve said you don’t know why she goes along with it etc. I do think she’s in an emotionally abusive relationship but I believe that she is abusive herself too- to you. It seems so difficult for her to carry out this relationship with you unless it’s transactional.

I see that you say that LB robbed your lovely husband of his daughter’s wedding and first year of his granddaughter’s life but DD1 was also part of this. There’s not one person on this thread that likes LB but I think you need to hold your DD accountable too.

Please don’t dangle the money carrot to your DD. What you’ve proposed WILL work. You will mention your finances and she will come running and I suspect LB may also manage an Oscar winning performance. However, how do you think this will make you feel afterwards? Imagine having the conversation and what questions they will have. I imagine they would have the front to ask all sorts of things that many of us would deem very cheeky (based on how blasé they have been about DH’s money). How do you think that conversation would impact you the following day? I think it would floor you. Your self-worth would be on the floor, you would be analysing everything and be made to feel that they only care about your money. This could then result in a confrontation months down the line.

I think at the moment you are feeling particularly vulnerable, especially when it comes to your family and you maybe need to set yourself some time and space to thing about what you want out of this. You only have so much control so instead of thinking a goal may be-
“To have a consistent and open relationship with DD1”

You should try

“For DD1 to know that I’m willing to have a consistent and open relationship with her”.

Because you can only control YOU. You can’t make her be a decent person- she has to do that all by herself. However- you can be direct by saying “it would be great to see you and the kids in August. I’m going to be in x-town on the 16th-20th. I’m seeing goddaughter on the 17th and 20th in the morning but if you’re free outside of this time please let me know”.

Ball- her court.

I think you should work towards making peace with yourself and how YOU handle this.

Boundaries boundaries boundaries.

You’ve got this WineFlowers

Ruddyknackered · 29/06/2021 19:53

Have posted previously but name changed.

The more I read of DD1s coming towards you and then pulling away again, the more I wonder if she is just complicit in this and not a controlled victim at all. The previous poster summed it up beautifully, describing her Mother as someone being encouraged to be who they really are and that then turning out to be not very nice. I fear DD1 may fall into that bracket.

Justilou1 · 30/06/2021 06:21

I genuinely think you need to watch some fly fishing on YouTube @ChopinandChampagne. Really absorb the technique and see how it applies.

ChopinandChampagne · 30/06/2021 07:35

Thank you so much, each and every one of you, for your posts. I know how long it takes to think about a post and then type it, so I am incredibly touched that so many people are prepared to go to so much trouble and to take time out of a busy day to support me. I can't tell you how grateful I am. You are like my secret army and, with you on my side, I cannot lose. You give me perspective when I am losing it, support when I need it, and you pull me out of the deep, dark pit, when I have tumbled into it.

The thing about falling into a low, is that it is usually followed by a high, and I felt so much better and stronger yesterday, and again today. I think it is the first time that I have had two consecutive 'good' days. I would generally have described myself as a strong person, but it is hard to describe how the loss of DH has affected me and floored me, simply knocked the stuffing out of me. I feel that I have been shattered into a thousand pieces, which need to be glued back, one by one. But, with your help and that of my family and therapist, I am slowly doing so. It is just a long and tortuous and painful process, and it has made me vulnerable.

I have, as Neil and others have pointed out, not only been grieving over the loss of DH, but this has been accentuated by the situation with DD1. Our grief united us for a while and at least the family came together in DH's final days, which gave him peace before he died. However, now the situation has inevitably reverted to substantially how it was, although at least there are civilities such as the exchange of birthday cards etc and DD2 and DD3 are sufficiently concerned to ask how DD1 is from time to time. The heat has gone out of the situation, at least in so far as they are concerned. They have their lives, but DD1 and their nieces are not part of it, sad but true. DD1 was offended when they did not become very excited by the prospect of DGC3, calling them 'incredibly selfish', so I suspect that she too had believed that the family would be reunited, and is upset that it has not worked out in that way.

I have consulted a specialist solicitor regarding the will and the administration of the estate etc, and explained my concerns about LB. She has provided me with excellent advice, which has made me feel much more positive. I have come to realise what I think I already knew, that I was potentially becoming the victim of an abusive relationship. This has never happened to me before, because I have never let it happen. There is often talk of 'red flags' on MN and I would run a mile if I even saw one, so it never got that far. Anyway, I have only ever loved DH. It seems to me, however, that abuse is insidious and develops over a period of time, with the victim's thinking and freedom gradually being eroded, so they don't even notice it until a long way down the line.

'Ghosting' someone is cowardly and abusive, as I recently said to DD1, which I expect she passed on to LB, but I don't regret saying it. I am not saying that it is wrong to sever contact with someone who has caused you pain and where a relationship has broken down to the extent that it is irreparable. I know that many people do sever contact to protect themselves, but that is not the situation here. The 'ghosting' has been used as a sword and not a shield. I feel angry that DH and I were subjected to this, but DH had 'come to terms' with it and forgiven DD1, so I must too, at least in so far as he is concerned. I have been angry and 'said my piece', so there is no point in being angry any more. The past cannot be changed.

A couple of you have said why on earth did I ring LB and I suppose I thought that I might be able to have a discussion with him, in a reasonable way, to try to reach an accommodation. Then I realised that is what DD1 does, she cajoles him and gives him the power. How had I sunk so low as to fall into that trap? And if I can be intimidated so much from afar - and I do feel intimidated - then how must it be to be living with him 24/7?

Anyway, back to the solicitor. She has advised me how I can set up a discretionary will trust, to protect my assets on death, so monies only go to named beneficiaries and can be for specific purposes, in accordance with my Letter of Wishes. She also advises that I should have a lasting Power of Attorney in place, in case I ever lack capacity to make decisions. She is also giving me excellent tax advice on some very complicated issues.

I think that I have already said that I have been so worried about how DD2 and DD3 would cope with sorting things out if I died. I am really struggling, so it would be overwhelming for them. Now I have decided that the best thing to do is to instruct the solicitors to act in the administration of the estate and they will know where everything is, policies, pensions, assets etc, the tax implications, and they can act as trustees (with DD2 and DD3). So I will have peace of mind in knowing that things would be relatively straightforward for them at a time they would be in deep grief. When DH was alive we weren't very organised at all about these things and our paper work was chaotic. Even I didn't know exactly what policies we had in place. We were intending to sort it out, so as not to leave the girls with a headache, but there didn't seem to be any urgency. Now the reality has been brought home as to how quickly things can change, Death stalks us and Fate can be unkind.

Anyway, I am not wishing to be unduly maudlin. My priorities are that my affairs are in order, so far as possible, and that my DDs and DGCs will be potential beneficiaries under the will trust. There will be a list of items to go unconditionally to named beneficiaries upon my death, such as jewellery, furniture, paintings etc, things of sentimental value which will be appreciated. And the two casks of whisky will be left to the DGDs.

However, and here is the rub, and some of you may think that I am wrong to do this. I will be inserting into my Letter of Wishes, which my trustees are obliged to take account of, that any beneficiary who has not seen me in person in the six month period before my death, will not be entitled to benefit under the terms of my will. This will be stated to be on the basis that inheritance is a privilege, not a right, and is only available for those whom I not only love, but who also love and respect me. The trustees would have a discretion to waive this in exceptional circumstances, such as a pandemic, but no beneficiary should automatically benefit if they are estranged from me.

All DDs will be provided with copes of the will and Letter of Wishes. DH always said that we should give them copies of our wills. I would rather be open about matters whilst everyone is still around and, of course, situations may evolve and change. I think that it would be cruel to leave a will in which someone is excluded and not tell them. I want DD1 and her DC to participate fully in any inheritance, but that 's really up to her.

I realise that this might sound controlling and I suppose that it is, but it gives LB an incentive to facilitate the relationship between me and DD1 and the DGC, rather than obstruct it. I have to accept that the relationship has become transactional and, that being so, I need to act accordingly. And once I have this in place, I can sleep more easily.

Speaking of sleep, I awoke during the night, as I often do, and that's when I have my clearest thoughts. I decided that this is what I am going to do, but I wondered how DH would feel about the six month clause, but though that he would probably agree. Then I went back to sleep and had a very vivid dream in which DH appeared, but I knew that he was dead and was a ghost and he came to me. He smiled at me and we kissed tenderly and spent precious time together. It is the first time that I have had a dream like that since he died although, as I have said, I have had other signs from him. I woke up happy and at peace, as I knew that he had given his blessing.

Now I just have to be extra careful in crossing roads for the next couple of weeks Grin

OP posts:
Billybagpuss · 30/06/2021 07:53

Oh my God @ChopinandChampagne you are incredible, such a brave lady. I can’t describe my emotions when I read your letter of wishes intentions.

It is absolutely the right thing to do although very, very brave I can only imagine the fall out at their house when they read it, it will of course be tempered and very controlled by the time it gets to you.

As things go on I think you need to stay in touch with the trustees as there is a difference between seeing someone and spending quality time with someone. You don’t want lb snapping a picture of you in Tesco as proof they’ve seen you.

FlyingSoHigh · 30/06/2021 09:30

I'm sorry, but using your will to try and control DD1's behaviour is a really bad idea. It's a clause that is only targeted at her and you become another person in her life that is trying to control and manipulate her. Have the clause in the will if you want, but telling DD1 about it in advance to change her behaviour means you are sinking to the level of LB.

LadyEloise · 30/06/2021 09:32

I couldn't just read and run after such an amazing post, ChopinandChampagne.

What stands out is the love you and your dh had for each other.
Not many people in the world will have experienced that.
You were both very lucky.
But the cost is the grief that endures because he is gone.

Take care. Thanks

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