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Married to someone with Aspergers: support thread 5

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Bluebellforest1 · 21/12/2020 11:04

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LoveFoolMe · 01/01/2022 18:12

Long time lurker just wanting to wish you all a better 2022.

DH was diagnosed 7 years ago and I relate to so much posted on this thread. It’s hard to explain the issues to friends in real life so it’s lovely to have this thread to turn to.

Skye99 · 01/01/2022 19:55

I find that too, LoveFoolMe. Happy 2022 to you and to everyone here.

ChristmasLightLover · 01/01/2022 20:45

Hello All. We are coming to the last evening of hosting DH's best friend and his family. Four nights and five days of full on hosting have left DH coming to the end of his social scripts and me ready for some time alone! I love my family. I love our visitors. But now, I need some downtime. I live in a house of autistic people - Husband and one teen are about to go through assessment and the other teen has behaviours. And breathe.

ChristmasLightLover · 01/01/2022 20:46

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Hello and welcome, ChristmasLightLover and Newbie8365.
Thank you @Skye99 :)) Good to be in a likeminded space.
Daftasabroom · 03/01/2022 15:36

Tomorrow is back to normal. Somehow we have managed to get through the Christmas break with no meltdowns and relatively little frustration. BIL said my DW was being incredibly difficult at one point, I told I thought she was being very well behaved! It's strange how immune I've become to some things yet how super sensitised I am to others.

Here's wishing you and your families the best year possible.

Kindtomyself · 03/01/2022 17:28

Hello I'm new on here but have been reading. My Husband believes he is on the spectrum but does not see the benefit or point to diagnosis. We're having a challenging time so I'm hoping this thread will provide some support

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Skye99 · 03/01/2022 18:21

I should have said, if someone with Asperger’s did take responsibility, and did try to avoid…

Soggymarshmellows · 03/01/2022 20:52

We made it mostly through Christmas but yesterday had a big argument because DW had offered to get something we need for house. But got wrong thing as hadn't listened or measured either. When I explained this and why as calmly as I could muster. It was my all fault this had happened. For many many years I've thought I must be unreasonable or hard to understand (because my DM is also Autistic and thats how I've been raised). And I'm regularly called controlling. But it isn't in a relationship if you agree a task and the other person doesn't do it or doesn't do it sufficiently well (believe me my expectations are low). But I don't anymore think I am to blame. I've had coaching and counselling. I know its not true that I'm confusing or a gaslighter or hard to please or unpredictable. I can't be blamed for everything that goes wrong in both DW and DMs life. I started to see this when I noticed my young Autistic son would blame me or be angry when things didn't work out and he'd unreasonably blame those around him and lash out. Bit like a toddler when you cut the sandwiches wrong or some other impossible to predict failure. He doesn't mean it either. I then noticed this trait in both my DW and my DM who I've had a long disappointing relationship with (with me parenting her!). My DW does not even realise she's doing it. Even if it is clearly explained to her...its worse right now as she's having to make a lot more decisions on her own due to divorce. She's really confused and angry with me. But I can't win. I'm either too bossy or don't give instructions!

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Daftasabroom · 04/01/2022 07:58

@BigGreen my DW is very similar, I couldn't count the plans we've made over the years only for me to be left picking up the slack. I've made huge sacrifices on the back of her promises yet she has exactly the same lifestyle and routine she had twenty years ago. And yes I've also been blamed for destroying the career she never put any effort into.

Latte40 · 08/01/2022 20:49

Hello,

Great to be here...

My Autistic long term partner of 20 years and Father to our kids was diagnosed 2 years ago.

Not much has changed since then but since the pandemic and him WFH, I've found things suffocating at times. When he went to work previously, he had other outlets. His world has become so much smaller and therefore I am a sounding board for every thought that runs through his head.

I have to be observed and questioned all of the time as opposed to the more manageable evenings and weekends.
'Why are you doing it like that? It's easier if you do it like this!' Etc

He narrates what I'm doing as a sort of check in as to whether he should be doing it as well. Again, totally manageable in doses where I then get a good amount of time off from it all. Makes me so irritable otherwise.

He mirrors massively. If I'm cross with the dog or children, he starts behaving the same, cannot separate himself from the situation to think about what he actually feels about it in the moment and just reacts. Makes things 10 times worse and I have to then calm him down on top of whatever it is I'm trying to sort out.

He has started to predict my routine, based on what he's seen me do and ask specific questions- he sees it as chit chat, I just feel totally penned in by it. I find myself actively trying to do things he's unlikely to know about (wild things like going to the shop instead of a coffee with a friend!) so I have something I can talk about that he doesn't know.

He loves being able to see me and know where I am at all times as it helps with his anxiety. When I'm not there, he gets concerned whether I might be upset with him. He was so so much better at handling this before the lockdowns.

I (in temper and not very nicely) told him that I am going insane living in his world and bending to his need of how things must be full time. He just genuinely cannot see it and says he just wants me to be happy and less stressed.

There is so much more to him then the examples I've reduced his behaviour down to here. I'm just feeling quite worn down at the moment. He's a wonderful man and I love him so very much. I hope others can empathise.

TunaGuitar · 08/01/2022 22:16

Dh lives in the present, no comments about the past, no reflection. I'm a bit sad that the person who saw me grow, change, have two kids never reflects in that.
Anyone else's partner similar? Any thoughts about how to rationalize or accept that?

Skye99 · 08/01/2022 22:19

Welcome Latte40. I think I can empathise. I think it’s positive that you still love him very much after 20 years. Have you tried couple counselling with someone who knows about Asperger’s (if there is anyone like that near you)? I wonder if there might be some useful strategies for you to get some more space?

Latte40 · 08/01/2022 22:30

Thank you

Yes we did some sessions when he first got diagnosed and it helped for him to hear from somebody objectively.

CrumpetswithMarmite · 08/01/2022 22:33

Sorry for the essay... I'm so happy to have found this thread. Have had a quick read through and there's a lot I can relate to. Need to go over old threads.

I'm about to turn 35, met OH age 16 and been together ever since. He's extremely intelligent and when he's in a good place, he's pretty amazing and goes above and beyond.

But last 8 years have been like slow torture. He admits he is absolutely sure he's on the spectrum.

He has been unemployed for 10 years. This was driven by him believing in starting his own business that he was passionate about. I supported this and wanted him to do something he loved. However, this turned in to him becoming obsessed with researching and planning every possible aspect of it and more. He didn't want to start the business he just kept researching and researching - going as far as wanting to create his own calendar for the year for the business to go by as he felt the current logic of calendars wasn't good enough (just one example). I did my best to spend hours and weekends talking about his latest books he read, insights, ideas. His ideas were unique and brilliant but he couldn't bring himself to actually start it.

Eventually this got turned on me. That I didn't care enough. Wasn't helping enough. I wasn't good enough. I was letting him fail. Etc.

He suffered very serious depression for a few years, didn't leave the house for months and it was a pretty gruelling and dark time. I was scared he would give up at points and what I would come home to.

He sees the world very black and white. He will say things that represent how he feels in a moment like it is absolute. It messes with my head because I take it as true and go through a whole rollercoaster of what it means. E.g. A few years ago he said he would never have children with me (several times, often said with hostility like it was an insult). After much reflection, last year I said I definitely did want children and it can't work between us because he doesn't. He then said that's just how he felt then based on how I was and that he is open to it. Another conversation today and he says it is the bottom of the list of his priorities unless I make some radical transformation to help him with his life. Which I do get because he wants his own life to get on track. But for me it is excruciating because I feel I can never be good enough to help to meet his standards/ideals and now feel my future hangs in balance for a family unless I leave.

Another example. When my dance teacher died and I cried (who I hadn't seen for years), he got annoyed and said I didn't even know her anymore and it's stupid to be upset. A waste of energy. And again felt it was inappropriate given he believes I don't care about him. It actually made him quite angry.

Because I work FT and have had a very stressful job, he feels I neglect him and blames everything on me that has gone wrong for him. That he would never do that to me. He also takes credit for where I have got to and says I selfishly took advantage of his help only for my benefit.

He also has all the typical strengths. Everything in the house is amazingly organised due to him. When he does care about something he can create/do brilliant things. He hosted the most amazing Xmas for the family (my parents and siblings, none of us have children) and transformed the house to a big grotto. Great with kids and animals. Good natured in general and fun loving. He did really help me with my career and personally help led coach me for years to build my confidence.

Like other pp,... He has extreme logic in conversations and it can be hard to argue as he will always end with the logic trump and I run out of energy, he often psychoanalyses people based on observations / logic too.

He will for instance analyse my behaviour and tell me what he "knows" I am thinking/feeling based on this. For example, if he wakes me up in the night because he can't sleep (annoying) and I don't jump in to action to show I care, he concludes with his logic that it is more evidence I don't care. Especially because I am tired so it must be my true unconscious at play Hmm It is exhausting. And maddening. As I start losing sense of what I do feel/think!

I was at breaking point in November and nearly left (leaving him in the house I pay for) but we have managed to reconcile somewhat and work on healing/being better.

It all sounds so ridiculous I know. He has lots of good points but the way he operates and the lack of compassion towards me has broken my heart several times. He will name call with no remorse because his logical conclusion is it is justified. I have told him at times it is emotionally abusive and he finally doesn't do it like he used to as he realises there is a line. But at times he will accuse me of oppressing him when I say I won't accept him calling me a name.

When I have been depressed, he hates it. Just says I feel sorry for myself and ignores it. It reminds him of his mum and sister which is a trigger.

Ugh the list is so endless.

I have felt so responsible and trapped. He is totally financially dependable on me and as he loves to remind me - he doesn't have an easy way to get a job now (which of course is all my fault). So breaking up isn't even easy.

I have done a lot of work on myself recently so a lot stronger. I'm not sure what will happen yet with us. Currently we're both very working on the relationship and it has been a world better.. But I'm not fooling myself. He also knows he is different and that most other men would be fine with everything. He just has a perfect ideal in his head that he is not willing to compromise on.

Not necessarily looking for advice, just thought I'd share as this seemed like the right place to get it out.. No-one in my life has any idea how bad it has been.

Daftasabroom · 09/01/2022 10:29

@Latte40 DW will stalk the house looking for things that are not how she expects them to be. Yesterday day she discovered that the heating was on in the office and the downstairs bedroom. This was followed by a twenty minute interrogation of who had put the heating on, why the heating was on and how it was on the wrong setting. Every time I go shopping, without fail she will rummage through the bags looking for the something to criticise. DS likes apple and mango juice, the supermarket didn't have apple and mango juice, they did have apple and mango squash. As always I got the full critique. @CrumpetswithMarmite this followed by the logic that if she had gone shopping she would got the juice, despite the fact there was none to be had "well I would have got anyway". It's exhausting.

Of course I also ruined her career and prevented her from starting her own business, the reality is the opposite.

CrumpetswithMarmite · 09/01/2022 10:43

@Daftasabroom this resonates so much. OH will always notice or look for the bit that is wrong and turn it in to a big deal. He believes that it represents more than what it is.

For example, if I load the dishwasher wrong, he will take it that I have "as usual" not listened to him and that I am disrespecting him.

I can clean the house and he'll pick out the bit that wasn't done or not how he likes it. I'll clean the kitchen and he'll laugh and say 'no it isn't' because I don't meet his own standards.

He says I'm lazy... Sometimes I can't help but really resent him given how hard I work but that never helps. He's extremely sensitive to my tone with him and so I have manage my feelings and moods carefully..

He doesn't recognise anything as criticism. He believes in 'telling the truth' and sees it that way. And if I don't like it then I'm being a child.

Sending you strength. Sounds like you recognise it for what it is now at least which is progress in itself...

Latte40 · 10/01/2022 13:54

[quote Daftasabroom]**@Latte40* DW will stalk the house looking for things that are not how she expects them to be. Yesterday day she discovered that the heating was on in the office and the downstairs bedroom. This was followed by a twenty minute interrogation of who had put the heating on, why the heating was on and how it was on the wrong setting. Every time I go shopping, without fail she will rummage through the bags looking for the something to criticise. DS likes apple and mango juice, the supermarket didn't have apple and mango juice, they did have apple and mango squash. As always I got the full critique. @CrumpetswithMarmite* this followed by the logic that if she had gone shopping she would got the juice, despite the fact there was none to be had "well I would have got anyway". It's exhausting.

Of course I also ruined her career and prevented her from starting her own business, the reality is the opposite.[/quote]
My OH doesn't want the load and responsibility of shopping / meal planning, but will tell me all the things that I didn't need to purchase. Literally cannot hold back from doing so
'You bought more canned tomatoes. We have some in the cupboard'
'Yes and I'm planning on using those so I needed to replace them'
'Seems daft really when you already have them in'
And etc.

He also checks electricity useage and turns things off he think aren't necessary which can be infuriating for the rest of us. To be clear, this isn't about bills and saving energy as we are all conscious of that, it's switching phone chargers off when phones are above 50%, lights off in a room if youve nipped to the toilet etc.

Daftasabroom · 10/01/2022 18:42

@Latte40 on Saturday I got the third degree for spending 85p on disinfectant when we already have some. Why just why, every single time.

Toocoldtocamp · 12/01/2022 17:28

Ahh my DW is opposite or perhaps the same. Refuses to take any responsibility for anything. But if I dont explain (I've long since given up trying to get a decision) I'm controlling and if I try to explain I'm a bully or I'm patronising Confused
Our world has shrunk too. I am so sick of her being home. I realise DW is completely content with never leaving the house. Everything is effort. I can't make it for 2 people. Its an incompatibility really. DW needs to be with someone who doesn't want spontaneity. I was shouted at this week as I hadn't told her our DS was about to grow out of his school shoes (when I mentioned would she like to get them this time...previous time I was moaned at as apparently I don't let her get anything the DC need!). I need to schedule this in apparently. Shes given me a spreadsheet
And a Google calendar to complete. Apparently this is what all families do these days but?!? but she never looks at it herself. She still asks me...

AspergersWife · 12/01/2022 20:12

Oof yeah I don't miss this. I had to endure huge discussions about things like why I left the microwave door open because the light was still on and costing a fortune, (it slipped my mind when doing the billion jobs I do for our family while you sit upstairs online dearest H!) or a random lamp was on that had been forgotten for about 10 mins. The worst was when he used to come into our lounge (many years ago!) he'd just turn off the big light without even asking. I'd be sat there trying to read a book and he wouldn't even care he'd just plunged me into darkness. So ignorant. And why? For saving a few pennies? Or the control?

And yes about the spreadsheet/Google calendar. I'd have about 3 different types of calendars going for him, he'd fail to look at any of them, but somehow it would still be my fault for not reminding him to look...

In my last update I'd said I'd seen some positives since he's moved out, but things have sadly slid sharply downwards since Christmas. Recently H told me he's meeting the OW in a couple of weeks (sooner than the X activity planned for next month) so can't see the kids that weekend. Fine, he is entitled to time with his friends. But the whole thing on the back of his laziness with our kids over the past 2 weeks has annoyed me. He's apparently driving about 2 hours to go to a random town (not where OW, her sister or his friend lives, entirely random) to do an activity. The activity is something that is really more of a children's activity, something he's refused to do with our children due to sensory issues around the particular noise, room, environment, crowds etc. It's something they could actually do in OW's hometown, or H could do it literally round the corner from where he lives. Think something like cinema, very basic, typical weekend activity, doesn't need to go to a specialist place. So suddenly he is capable of driving 2 hours there to the random town, doing the activity, then driving 2 hours back. Yet when he's seeing his children (eg Xmas day), he cannot even stay awake for 2 hours. It infuriates me that he can do that particular activity for his new online friends but not for his kids. It's infuriating that the last 2 weekends he hasn't done any activities at all with the children ('too stressful' or 'everywhere is booked up' or 'I'm too tired') so they sit around just watching screens. Yet he's obviously very capable of forward planning, booking and having the energy to do activities for these 3 people he's met via the game. I'm just so sad that my kids are now experiencing what I've had to put up with all these years, coming second best to whatever his current obsession is.

I think the saddest thing for me is he literally does not ask, maybe doesn't even think, about how his children are from one contact weekend to the next. It's like they stop existing once the weekend visit is over. I always have to be the one to get in touch to find out what time he wants to see them. And then of course have to remind him to bring them home. This past visit he was over an hour late bringing them home...because he'd fallen asleep. After the oh so tiring day of watching TV Hmm it's starting to feel like he can't really cope with the children, one of the many reasons I stuck it out so long in the marriage. I am actually wondering if there'll be a point when he just drops access completely.

Toocoldtocamp · 12/01/2022 22:02

Yes same here. Can't organise a trip to the movies for the children... but can organise a workshop for 100 colleagues?!?

Toocoldtocamp · 12/01/2022 22:04

My (ex) DW also sleeps a lot. In the daytime.. with the kids.
I think night sleep is tricky for a lot of Autistic people due to melatonin production... but then my DW doesn't help herself as she's up doing tedious things until the wee hours.

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