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Married to someone with Aspergers: support thread 5

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Bluebellforest1 · 21/12/2020 11:04

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Choconuttolata · 07/01/2021 12:40

Gummybearwotsit that behaviour towards you is abuse and not ok. You do not have to accept this.

Skye99 · 07/01/2021 13:09

@gummybearwotsit I agree with Chocconuttolata. His behaviour is extremely unreasonable.

My DH was saying (shouting) things like ‘We’ll have to divorce’ till I started thinking maybe that was the best thing and started detaching. I stopped communicating with him much. He started acting better and not lashing out at me in irrational self-pity and anger. So I think he was probably saying it to express irrational anger and doesn’t really want a divorce. But I do now.

I feel so sad too. I really hoped to keep the family together.

Is it bothering you what would happen about the house? If so you could check out with a lawyer what would be likely to happen (if you can afford it). Just so that you have an idea. I don’t want to tell you what to do, but you could gather the information. Or maybe you already know.

Skye99 · 07/01/2021 13:18

@gummybearwotsit I don’t think you’re abusive. I think you’re reacting to abusive behaviour.

If you don’t want to find yourself raising your voice you could walk off? I always found that hard to do. I always wanted to engage rationally with him. But now I wish I’d set a boundary on any unreasonable behaviour by walking off, from the beginning - when we got married. I don’t know if it would have led him to think about how I felt and restrain himself, but it might have and what I did didn’t work.

gummybearwotsit · 07/01/2021 15:07

Thank you.

@skye99 but that what Im getting so confused about. Maybe if I reacted "correctly" it wouldn't happen. How do you turn all your emotions off though?!

I can't afford to see a solicitor (another issue is he's racked up thousands of pounds worth of debt that I'm struggling to clear), but I'm starting to think I can't afford not to, if that makes sense.

TonMoulin · 07/01/2021 16:45

A few years ago, I did go and see a lawyer for a free 30mins. It helped me clarify a few things (young ish dcs at the time and from another country)
At the very least, I would do that to give you better clarity. And the. You can decide knowing where you stand what you are or not happy to accept.

I chose to accept DH but he is the opposite than your DH. When things go wrong, he goes silent (which is extremely infuriating too). But that made things much more bearable.

TonMoulin · 07/01/2021 17:31

Btw, I have learnt to be careful about that sentence ‘doing it right/reactions wrongly’ because it also says that you are the only person responsible in there.

And THIS IS NOT THE CASE.

Sorry for shouting, but you shouldn’t take the whole responsibility for his outbursts. At the moment, whatever you are doing is wrong (crying, shouting, not saying anything. I’m sure that if you were walking away he would find fault to it too). That’s because he is using your emotional punching bag rather than actually having an issue with you/your behaviour iyswim

Skye99 · 07/01/2021 17:44

My H has also run up thousands of pounds of debt. I was thinking of looking for a free 30 minute solicitor’s appointment.

@gummybearwotsit, as to reacting ‘correctly’ and whether your H would act differently if you did, I guess it depends on why he is acting this way. Are you wondering whether he would not have meltdowns if you acted correctly, or whether he would act differently during meltdowns if you did (i.e. he would not shout these particular things), or if he would not complain about your reactions to his behaviour (crying, raising your voice or whatever) if you did?

I’m inclined to think that if someone has meltdowns, it’s not dependent on someone else acting perfectly. They would still have meltdowns even if their wife did act perfectly.

It doesn’t sound like what he says during meltdowns is rational and based on careful, objective consideration. It sounds more like he thinks you are responsible for his feelings and it’s your job to make sure he feels OK. (My DH had that view.) If that was so, he would be saying these things not because of the way you behave, but because he had a wrong idea.

I suspect that whatever way you reacted would be wrong in his eyes, but I could be wrong there.

My H says things when he is irrationally angry not because he thinks they are true, but to express the irrational anger. He doesn’t actually care whether they are true or not. It took me many years to work this out and stop trying to reason with him.

If yours is acting similarly (one possibility), it might not make much difference what you do.

My H’s irrational anger seems to come from a view that he feels bad and that should never happen, not from things I do. He will lash out at me if he has a bad day at work or the guinea pig dies. He feels sad about feeling sad, angry about feeling angry... Any negative emotion, about things that are just part of life, provokes self-pity and anger. And he’s angry with me for not doing my ‘job’ and making sure he never has any negative emotions. He has actually said that. He now sees it’s irrational, but that didn’t lead to him restraining himself.

Sexboardsafename · 07/01/2021 17:47

My husband does the going quiet thing too, better than anger for sure but still not very helpful with fixing issues.

Skye99 · 07/01/2021 17:48

@TonMoulin //using you as an emotional punching bag// Yup, that’s what I experience.

I couldn’t say for sure if it’s what you are experiencing, gummy, but it does happen.

SeaEagleFeather · 07/01/2021 23:08

gumm .but that what Im getting so confused about. Maybe if I reacted "correctly" it wouldn't happen. How do you turn all your emotions off though?!

You are not a robot. You are you. You can't be programmed to behave a certain way, you -have- to be you. A relationship has to work for both of you. Is this one working for you? (that's a loaded question!)

Love, you're in the middle of the woods and can't see the trees. But what's going on here, whatever the cause autism or something else, is abusive. You can't flourish. You can't even survive, you're clearly being ground utterly down if you don't even know how you're -allowed- to react.

gently it's ok to look at leaving, or giving him an ultimatum that he gets help or you leave. But protect yourself first financially. Are there children involved?

Trust me, seeing their mum or dad ground down by the sort of life you're living isn't good at all for them.

Eesha · 20/01/2021 11:35

Just posting for some more advice, I posted a separate thread on this. My partner and I had a minor squabble and he wants to take a few days as he says better not to talk than argue. I feel it's been blown out of proportion and I don't understand it. It's like I've been shut out and very painful for me. Any tips on how long to give it, it's the unknowing really. We have been together 7 months, he is Asp.

Daftasabroom · 20/01/2021 14:05

@Eesha DS likes to lock himself away when life gets difficult but it can be very hard getting him to come back to reality. With DW I am always the peacemaker, it's hard because where I'll be pulling myself to pieces over the latest mad meltdown, whereas DW seems to get over them in an instant.

I wouldn't leave it too long, 24hr to 48hr. He may be either avoiding the real world (DS) or over it and too stubborn or blissfully unaware to make the next move (DW). Hopefully he'll be aware and mature enough to recognise that you need some reassurance on the what happens next and when.

Even if it's purely for you own sanity, don't leave it too long.

Eesha · 20/01/2021 14:49

@Daftasabroom thank you for this. I was torn between giving space and going mad myself. I suspect he is getting back into his usual routine now so I had tried to give him space but I'm so sad and worried he may never contact me again.

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Eesha · 26/02/2021 15:35

@Veronica12345 thank you for posting this. My Aspie partner recently dumped me due to his Aspergers anxieties getting worse. I couldn't understand how he could change like that but this helps me.

nellyii · 26/02/2021 16:41

DH has been doing my head in at the moment he's got a new hobby. he's a bought a converter to put on his bike to make it electric. He's been going on 5 bike rides a day, fiddling with it. Me and DD are getting ignored he never pops to the shop and picks up milk because it's not in his routine and when I ask he ignores me. Last night he went to Waitrose to shop in the bargain aisle he locked me and DD in the car as we didn't want go in. His car alarm kept going off and I called him he ignored the phone call while DD was crying. It took him all night to apologise I love my DH I just wish he thought of others sometimes.

Catmaiden · 27/02/2021 19:44

Just coming back to update.

I'm still in the estate cottage, although alone. It's still bliss to be away from the daily madness of living with Stbxh

DS went back to Uni post (thank god) a few weeks back.

Sadly, DD moved into (my family) big house with Stbxh. He seems to have "captured" her completely now, she believes his narrative, which is very sad for me, after her previously being very supportive. She will be back at Uni next week (8th?)

He's obviously decided now to make it his special interest to turn our children against me, also try to defraud me of my family trust/inheritances (lands, farm, family homes for centuries I brought in on my side ) and winning, at all costs. It's all about beating me. (He has lots of money, he doesn't need mine, he just wants to punish me and win)

Fortunately the trusts are watertight against him, which is infuriating him!

Latest vile behaviour, his continued lack of care to pet animals I didn't manage to take with me, which I subsequently realised was echoed by previous lack of care with me, when ill, also with our children who have significant diagnoses, which he trivialised and fought against.
Basically a refusal to accept his world view isn't correct.

Today, it was the totally oblivious lack of realisation our beloved old puss is now ill and needing medical intervention because he (so called DH) didn't listen to me to go to the vets a few days ago, when it was a relatively minor issue. Now, its a serious issue . Because "of course" what I said (he needs the vet today) is ignorable.

Solicitors on it to get him ejected from house asap. Next week, hopefully. All part of divorce process. Sad, because it was good for many years, but isn't any longer. I'm tired of being his support human.

Gloves off, now.

Bluebellforest1 · 28/02/2021 10:45

Good to hear your update @Catmaiden. Sorry that your stbxh is behaving like this, but I can’t say I’m surprised. As you say, a refusal to accept his world view isn’t correct.

I hope next week, and the ongoing divorce process, goes well.
Stay strong.

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JumpingFr · 28/02/2021 18:22

Hi all, I've read though pages of this thread with interest, as I'm really wondering whether a man I've been friends with and dated for part of 2 years, may have ASD. I know its impossible to tell without a professional diagnosis, but would be great to know whether anyone can relate to these signs please?

  • He rarely ever speaks of emotions. He's happy and likes to hug/cuddle, but if I cry (occasional) or am upset, he seems to freeze, will hug but ignore the emotion and can't discuss it. It's hard to have emotion depth in a relationship with him
  • He avoids conflict at all costs. On occasions if someone starts an argument with him (like his ex wife) he seems unable to cope, even if she's on the phone, not in person. He just crumbles and is desperate for the situation to go away, panics and will just do whatever is demanded, eg give money even if not owed. He doesnt pick up when his boss is being unfair towards him.

-He seems to struggle with impulse control. If he wants things he buys them, even if it adds to his debt, he has difficulty managing money and planning for the future

-He very rarely says 'I love you'. Occasionally he will write it in a text. He seems to show his love by his (high) sex drive. He thinks past relationships stopped loving him when they stopped wanting sex.

-He seems to miss social cues and norms. For example, if I send him a 'joke' message he will often miss the joke, unless I explicitly write 'lol'

-He likes alone time a lot (though gets lonely with too much). His hobby is building model aeroplanes and he will buy kits and spend whole evenings building them (again, will buy even if in debt already).

-He has some very blunt and self centered behaviour. Eg he asked me to help clean at end of tenancy. I spent the whole day with him doing it, as he wanted his deposit back. He barely thanked me, certainly didn't offer to take me for a meal as thanks or similar, as lots of people would do (I didn't mind). His messaging is often very blunt, he doesnt soften hard messages, eg he will cancel seeing me but not make it clear he's looking forward to seeing me another day, so I'm left wondering if he values me. He's then surprised if I ask whether he still wants to date me.

-His home is very organised and cupboards tidy, he lists his food supplies and writes a comprehensive shopping list for going out.

-He goes distant in terms of physically seeing me (seems a pattern with past relationships). Will stay in contact by text, but seems disinterested at times in seeing me, particularly when stressed

I could go on...sorry for the long list! Grateful for anyone's views.

JS711 · 12/04/2021 06:49

I am just commenting so I can come back to this later when I have more time. My husband has aspergers. And it appears my son is on the spectrum. We are waiting for a referral to come through. No idea how long that will take at the moment. I feel very lonely and backed into a corner.
My son's behaviour is appalling at the moment and seemed to change drastically when he turned 6. My husband has actually got worse since his diagnosis. It's as if he has an excuse now. I don't know how many times I have heard 'I have Asperger's you know...' to justify why he is being difficult or obstructive.
Trying to keep to his ridiculous routine, keeping my son in a happy mood and looking after myself is becoming impossible and it always seems to be me that has to take a step back. I'm the first one up, last one to bed, cook all meals and shop yet I am last to sit down and eat. Even then I get asked for drinks, read something, take the cat away from DS as she steals from plates, get mayo. I say no I am eating you can get a drink yourself DS and it just explodes into a screaming match. DH tells me not to react and ignore the behaviour but then he gives in. Bedtime is a prime example. The amount of times he ends up getting into bed with DS, who is 6 and shouldn't be doing this now! And it takes 10 steps back from what I have worked hard on. I.e. read a story, goodnight, go to bed.
Feeling very overwhelmed and pressured at the moment. I need a break. Thinking of staying at my mum's for a few days when we are given more freedom. Not permanent or for separation reasons. I just need to breathe. I can't remember when I last did something for myself. Pre Covid and that was probably going out for a coffee with my mother!

Newusertothis · 12/04/2021 07:27

I am thinking oh (soon to be ex) has asd or adhd
He does that talking under his breath / pulls weird expressions
Obsessed with gaming or watching YouTube
Says what else is there to do?
House could be a mess and he will sit there ignoring it, me & dc
doesn’t like to socialise with my family- doesn’t know how to talk and relax around them he has to build himself up and think in advance what he’s going to talk to them about
he constantly shakes his leg at a table
Does show emotions or support me or dc emotionnally
Is very in your face with dc overpowering/ says stuff like you better eat all your dinner
I can see dd 5 feels very uncomfortable sometimes
He will try force her to give him a kiss and get annoyed when she won’t
Dd is very kissy: cuddly and I respect that where oh takes offence to it

Newusertothis · 12/04/2021 07:28

*dd isnt very cuddly/ into giving kisses that should say

Daftasabroom · 13/04/2021 09:43

@JS711 the best advice we ever got was "choose your battles". I'd suggest it isn't a big deal if DH is lying down with DS to get to sleep, DS will grow out of this soon enough. But meal times are obviously important. You need to have a frank discussion with DH that he needs to take more responsibility. I totally sympathize I think that the struggles that can be imposed on someone with ASD, when undiagnosed and without sensible coping strategies, can lead to some very damaging behaviours.

E.g. the house is bombsite, I am working full-time, DW works PT and has two weeks off. She might be dressed by midday, she spends all day on Facebook or researching her latest ailment. I do all the shopping, most of cooking, tidy up, vacuum, scrub the floors etc. DW is literally oblivious to this and genuinely thinks she is a hard working "doer".

You need to make it clear that a partnership is just that, a partnership.

Sorry a bit ranty!

TrueRefuge · 14/04/2021 12:56

Thank god for this thread! It's like looking through a window into my life! I'm so grateful to everyone on here who has shared their thoughts openly and honestly, because it's so validating for me to read.

Lockdown has really shone a light on historic problems that me and my partner have constantly clashed over. I am non-aspie, high empathy, high EQ, so the lack of emotional connection, attention and emotional intimacy hits really hard (especially as they trigger old trauma wounds). I am convinced my partner has alexithymia; he also has a number of aspie traits, and I think ADD/ADHD is also an avenue worth exploring. I sat him down and explained this (gently) last night and he was open-minded and has been doing some of the online assessments for us to review together. I think pursuing some diagnoses could be good for him not just for our relationship, lord help us, but also for his general motivation for life...

It was interesting to me in one of the earlier threads that so many posters are NC with parents/FOO who were narcissistic! My father is a narcissist and I went NC two years ago. I think that upbringing trained me well to put up with not having my needs met. Funnily enough, my partner also had an abusive upbringing, and also went NC with both his parents (his mother is also narcissistic) 2-3 years ago. I think there are many layers in our relationship, it's hard to untangle them all.

I feel for all of you who feel so alone, so unloved, having to just 'trust' that you partner loves you without being shown it. Who feel taken for granted. Who just want to go and live somewhere else alone for a few days, weeks, months, years. That's how I feel.

My partner does show willing. We're 4 weeks into joint therapy and we're plodding through, slowly but surely. I need to have patience to see how much is changeable, and how much isn't. We both know my emotional needs aren't being met, and that he doesn't seem to have any. But he is willing and open-minded so at the moment I'm still in it. Just.

Lockdown has really brought it all into sharp focus (as well as me having been in therapy for 18 months where I have learnt so much self-love). He has become an avid gamer, to the detriment of time with me (or any other element of his life, to be honest), just assumes that when lockdown lifts we'll go back to the fun times we used to have, brushing over the fact we've been having these conversations for 10 years.

We had an interesting conversation last night after our therapist asked him "How do you show TrueRefuge that you care?" and he said he didn't know how to answer that question. I cited an example about how he put effort into looking for a new laptop for me, and I took that as as sign of care. I later asked why he found it difficult to answer and he said he doesn't think about doing things because he cares for me, he just does them; for example, with the laptop, he didn't do that out of love, but just because he's good with technology so it makes sense that he would help me find one. Even writing it out it sounds so robotic (to me) I'm laughing. He has recently been sick and I asked him "How do you perceive when I took care of you? Brought you tablets and tea, made sure you rested, gave you a massage for your aches? Do you recognise I'm doing those things out of love for you?" He said no, he just feels guilty. I think there may be some attachment/childhood trauma stuff here -it's all so complex - but the fact he can't also identify love and care AS WELL AS guilt is what makes me think, "Hmmm, there's something missing here." Does this sound familiar to anyone here?

We identified that - doing something for the other person out of care - as a concrete opportunity for him to try and OBSERVE the feeling behind an action, if I can model it for him and be explicit - I'm doing this because I love and care for you - and maybe he can learn to do the same for me over time. At the same time, it just made me so sad that after 12 years of me loving him, it's probably never been received as love, and that probably nothing he's done for me is out of love either. I'm sad for me and I'm sad for him. When he's most frustrated that I'm not feeling fulfilled he says "I just assume you know I love you, I didn't realise you need to be reminded of it regularly". When I then turn his logical way of thinking back on him by saying "But you've just 'admitted' that even the practical, non-emotional things you do for me aren't done out of love but out of habit or just-because, so how would I feel love or assume you love me if there's no love behind your actions?" He can't answer that (obviously!) and I think that's why he realises maybe something deeper needs to be explored.

At the same time he is loyal, practically supportive, doesn't abuse me and would never cheat (I used to find that comforting but I'm realising now it's because he doesn't care about relationships enough to have two - ha!), is sweet at times and HE WANTS TO MAKE ME HAPPY. In fact, that is his only need in our relationship - to make me happy. I'm sceptical that the things I need to be truly happy are not within his reach....

Anyway, what a long post! Hello to everyone on the board, and I hope I can offer some support myself :)

PS Would love to hear if others have felt the pandemic has exacerbated their relationships and unproductive behaviours/traits?

MarinaMermaid · 14/04/2021 17:29

Wanting to make you happy surely IS love? Whether he can recognise or articulate the emotion in himself or not.

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