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Married to someone with Aspergers: support thread 5

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Bluebellforest1 · 21/12/2020 11:04

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colouringindoors · 19/08/2021 14:04

Thank you Skye99 that night was the nail in the coffin of our marriage. Though it was years til we would separate.

Skye99 · 19/08/2021 16:59

Yeah, I had that moment last year. A complete-lack-of-empathy-to-the-blindingly-obvious, it’s all about me moment.

Walkingthroughwords · 19/08/2021 17:06

Catmaiden how's it going? Is he ASD or NPD? He sounds very manipulative. I'm also divorcing a very similar man.

Ijsbear · 19/08/2021 21:40

Ive had an extraordinary email.

He's thanking me for being willing to spend time with his new gf, that she can help and teach me how to deal with my children, that she's more caring and calm than me but despite that I shouldn't dismiss myself, I still have good qualities that he values, and that one day when he's ready to he might open up to me again.

Skye99 · 20/08/2021 09:19

@Ijsbear

Ive had an extraordinary email.

He's thanking me for being willing to spend time with his new gf, that she can help and teach me how to deal with my children, that she's more caring and calm than me but despite that I shouldn't dismiss myself, I still have good qualities that he values, and that one day when he's ready to he might open up to me again.

😯 😯
colouringindoors · 20/08/2021 11:08

ljsbear FFS!!!

I'm enraged and I don't even know you.

At the very least I'd say reduce contact with him go the absolute minimum to protect yourself.

Skye99 · 20/08/2021 12:17

ljsbear I wonder if she might be less caring and calm if she gets unreasonable behaviour for a while.

AspergersWife · 20/08/2021 14:58

Wtf @Ijsbear ?! How bizarre. How are you feeling about this email?

In strange news from me, I found out a few nights ago that H has recently offered a friend of mine (whose partner left her and their kids last year) a substantial amount of money. This was totally behind my back, but he has allowed her to think I knew about it. If I'd not already told him to go, that would have been a final straw. As it is, I've had to very embarrassingly apologise to her because now she feels very uncomfortable, and tell him that it was totally inappropriate. More annoyingly at that time when he was busy offering her money, he was telling me if I left him he'd give me £0 maintenance as he had no spare cash! We are currently trapped on holiday together so I'm keeping on keeping on, but FFS what on earth was he thinking? Actually I bet I do know what he was thinking, something along the lines - I am better than the bloke who left you. I am a shitty partner, but not as shit as that guy. Look at me, how kind I am. Look how impressive I am waving my money around to help others. Confused

Ijsbear · 20/08/2021 15:07

.. and it's all about the appearance and how he feels about himself, right, and nothing to do with actually treating his family with respect?

I laughed at first, it was so bizarre. then I felt offended, then very very hurt. I poured my heart out to try to help him navigate life because my goodness he struggles. Now I guess that this mail has made it clear how very alien his thought processes are.

I mean, who says to their ex wife "my gf is more caring than you but despite this, don't feel dismiss yourself and maybe one day I'll open up to you again"^.

The tone of the mail reads rather like he expects to be the boss of me and his gf both, as he was kind of in charge of us both and we belong to him (with her being better than me ofc). It also shows that at the most basic level, he can't conceive of either of us having a genuinely different opinion than him. I do hope she can stand up for herself.

AspergersWife · 20/08/2021 19:09

I hope you are ok @Ijsbear I would be completely unnerved by that. Like you say, so alien to you as an NT person, but does give insight into his thought processes. I imagine things like this are going to come up from my H in the not too distant future. He's relishing the idea that we'll still be 'best friends' because we are tied through the kids. I think it is to do with possession. As if he can't imagine you are your own identity and instead only are defined by him. Certainly H only cares about me and the kids as extensions of him, and when we do or say things he wouldn't expect as people do (I.e. out of his control, neither black nor white, nor right nor wrong) that's when things really hit the fan.

Skye99 · 20/08/2021 19:12

ljsbear I hope she can too.

Ijsbear · 20/08/2021 21:00

I think that too, it's to do with possession. It seems like he can't conceive of either new-gf or me being separate and our thoughts being valid. It fits with something he said in marriage counselling, that he didn't think he had to listen to anything I had to say.

Theory of Mind ...

lonelycat · 20/08/2021 23:12

So many things posted here which sound familiar.

I get threatened with divorce but then five minutes later it’s as though it was never said. Same with the tantrums; five minutes later it’s as though nothing happened. I have no idea what goes on in his mind. He can say the most hateful things when he is in the midst of a tantrum, that he hates me, no one wants me, that I’m useless and pathetic.

He can accidentally step back and stand on my foot and instead of just saying sorry like most people would will loudly blame me - he can’t stand the thought of being seen to have done anything wrong, everything gets turned around so that someone else gets blamed. He drops something in another room? It was somehow my fault.

AspergersWife · 21/08/2021 09:04

@lonelycat I have that too. Somehow EVERYTHING gets twisted into my fault. Part of the reason I'm bringing our separation forward is because I've noticed the kids do it too now. My DS is HFA so I see a lot of similarities to H and his inability to take responsibility is just one of the ways they are alike, but my DD5 is NT (as far as I know) and even she now does it. She breaks something and I hear 'Mum-my why did you do that?' Yes they are little, so it could just be a kid phase, but I don't want their father modelling such behaviour. I also noticed I'm automatically apologising to H for things beyond my control, almost like I can pre-empt the blame. I have supported friends through DV and the similarities between certain instances are waving huge red flags now, more so than ever before.

More worryingly a few weeks ago H barged past me, knocking my shoulder. This when he was in one of his sulks recently, pretending I didn't exist, and had the cheek to act like I had done it to myself when I told him he'd hurt me. Denial, claim I'm over exaggerating, then twist it round. He's never been violent to me but that signals to me it's getting more out of control. So when he's next in a mood am I going to be expected to tolerate that 'accidental' knocking/shoving/whatever? It's the start of a slippery slope.

Ijsbear · 21/08/2021 09:35

aspergers that's a terrible way to live. That you're the scapegoat. the struggling-to-take- responsibility is something that my AS older son has problems with too, but he does make a conscious effort to try. We talk about it, and I say to him that "his behaviour is his responsibility, and mine is mine"

The "accidental" knocking sounds even more worrying. Might it be an idea to note down time/date ? unless it's a one-off it's heading into DV territory and definitely abuse territory.

Daftasabroom · 21/08/2021 14:38

Hi All, I have a rare few hours on my own without constantly being checked up on.

I hadn't really thought of DWs behaviours as betrayals but reflecting that is exactly what they are. Over the years there’s been big ones and everyday ones. The betrayals are things we agree together or that she is going to do, commitment and compromises we agree to make but she never follows up on.

When we first got together Property Ladder was a big thing and DW saw herself as the next Sarah Beanie. We sold our three bed semi and bought a two bed bungalow to extend and refurbish. The first betrayal was at planning, she got stage fright and didn’t take the opportunity to support the application in person, I went back two weeks later – we got planning. We moved into rented but she never once set foot on site again for six months, she hadn’t booked a builder or even got quotes, her plan was to project manage but she didn’t even go there after we had moved out. She eventually managed to persuade a friend’s builder to undertake some of the work but without a contract or quote she then just paid him whatever he asked for whenever (I didn’t know this). She blew 50% of our budget on 15% of the work. I started to take on more and more of the build while working full time – she went into a full on AS shutdown and has never really come back. It nearly broke me, I was working full time in my first management role, going to the rented house to cook dinner for us, working on the build till late, back again to sleep but doing controlled crying instead, nursery run in the morning, work again, repeat for a year. 100 hrs a week. She sat reading homes magazines all day.

Unbelievably, we’ve done that three times now. This last time she even said “we’ll do it together, it’ll bring us closer together as a family”, but there is always, always, always, a reason for her to not get involved. She does just about enough to say she helped e.g. paint the outside, she did 1/3 of one coat I did the rest of three coats. The latest saga is that we got a green-homes grant of £7k, but she didn’t extend the time limit and now we’ve lost it. She works part time, we simply cannot afford to lose £7k.

She continually takes responsibility for things and screws it up or just doesn’t do it. But it’s not just the big things, it’s the micro-aggressions - I used to play a sport at international level, and kept any magazines with event reports I’d won or front covers, photo spreads etc, she tore the pictures out and threw the rest away. She’s passive aggressive – a favourite was leaving the airer up against the front door so I had to ask to be let in the house. The contra-suggestion, if it’s not her idea it’s not happening. The under-mining.

Sorry long post.

guidancerequired · 21/08/2021 22:26

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Turquoisesea · 21/08/2021 22:39

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RobinsReliant · 21/08/2021 23:40

@lonelycat

‘He can’t stand the thought of being seen to have done anything wrong, everything gets turned around so that someone else gets blamed’

OMG this. We run out of milk…has to be my fault because I apparently have more time than him to go to the shop. He hurts his arm…it’ll be my fault because he was the one carrying the item that caused it and I should have carried it. If he stands on my foot, it’s because I’m in his way. If he drops something it’s because I’m rushing him. The list goes on.

He is very keen to portray an image to others that he is faultless.

Zeev · 21/08/2021 23:49

I sometimes wonder if they actually 100% think they're faultless. My spouse was asked at couples therapy to think about what he could do better in our relationship. For two appointments he refused to answer since he couldn't think of anything he could improve in, and then he finally said "I could do things more my way because that makes me happier and if I'm happier the relationship is happier".

Guess why we were in therapy...

RobinsReliant · 22/08/2021 04:34

@Zeev That’s a really good description of it and the kind of thing my DH would say.

Daftasabroom · 22/08/2021 08:23

I was once threatened with divorce for doing something. When I pointed out that it was exactly what she had asked of me, she replied "yes but you know it's not what I meant".

AspergersWife · 22/08/2021 09:28

@Daftasabroom that's the kind of 'logic' my H would respond with too. I should know better. I'm supposed to disregard what he says because I know him. So it's like he expects to lie/deceive, and I am meant to know in advance somehow exactly how he's going to mess up.

I too view betrayals as the small things as well as big. E.g. Night after night he arrives home late from work, because apparently he doesn't think he needs to let me know, so I'm putting the kids to bed solo and they're going crazy because Daddy hasn't spent time with them. That's a betrayal to the family, especially after the previous tiMe it happened he was full of BS saying he'd be on time. Everything he lets me down on like that normally wouldn't be a big deal, but it's because they come on top of the bigger betrayals. They pile up and over time it becomes harder and harder to add to the pile without it tipping over.

@Zeev my H would say all the 'right' things in therapy. 'I need to change, I want to learn how to communicate better, etc etc' then as soon as the session is over he'd switch it off again and go back to his old habits.

AspergersWife · 22/08/2021 09:33

I'm currently trapped on holiday with H and can't wait to get home. For the first time since we arrived he's finally surfaced before 10am (because I asked him to give the kids their breakfast ONE TIME) but is now sulking because I made him get up. I've been up every morning with the kids at 7am. Today they slept til 8.30 which is a miracle, so I asked him to sort them out while I took my time getting ready for once. It's not much to ask is it? But he makes it seem like I'm a massive cow.

Does anyone else's partner who has children do this? So they'll ask him a genuine question, they are curious and young so are full of questions. He'll answer the kids with something so fucking inane it kills their curiosity. My DD just asked him 'what does express myself mean?' So he's just replied 'one day when you're bigger you'll hear a woman called Madonna and then you know what express yourself means.' I mean FFS, our daughter is 5! Why can't he just answer properly, instead of confusing her more. Sometimes he'll answer in a sarcastic way which confuses the hell out of our poor HFA DS. It's like he gets off on winding them up or belittling them. I cannot wait to get us away from him.

Daftasabroom · 22/08/2021 11:29

When DS1 was about three he wasn't sleeping well so DW wanted to try controlled crying. Obviously it was my turn to go first. I spent three nights sitting outside DSs room and on the forth night I asked DW to take over. The first time DS got out of bed she let him straight in wth us. When I asked why she'd let him in she said it obviously wasn't working so there wasn't any point her putting him back.

I could go on all day with things she has decided we or she are going to do, only to leave me to pick up the slack.