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The One Where Ross Has To Figure Out Clingfilm

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 15/12/2020 05:46

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How’s that for a title?!

Well, I’ve done a deal on the car. Actually it drives very nicely. I can see it’s practical. And it’s not an old banger.

It’s not very me. But it is sensible, and sensible I must be.

Actually got some kip last night. 9-5.

How’s everyone else doing? Justilou is it warm in Oz? One of my best friends lives there and I haven’t seen her for too long. RandomMess have you managed to have a better night / find out when you’re going home?

I haven’t told him about handing it over to the solicitor and no mediation on Friday yet. Waiting for the notes and financial summery from the mediator first. Hopefully today.

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RandomMess · 04/01/2021 18:08

I would say in passing as you are heading out the day for a walk/food shopping

"After your recent behaviour I'm not willing to discuss things via mediation anymore we're beyond that, my solicitor will be in touch"

Lemonpiano · 04/01/2021 18:11

Can you give me your favourite saying for when times get tough? I feel I need something to keep me going.

Does shouting "THIS IS TEMPORARY" at myself in blind panic count as a saying?!

MisfitNotMissFit · 04/01/2021 18:16

Weirdly that was a summarised version - there are sooo many other things that he did that took my breath away when trying to mesh them back to the man I married and was with for such a long time - including threats, actual blackmail and all sorts of lies that he told mutual friends to make me out to be the bad guy.

Advice regarding mediation - I got to a point when I realised I didn't need to explain or justify my position to him any more. It threw him if I'm honest. Outside of the house I was this smart, intelligent, funny and forthright person, but at home I went with the easiest option to stop him from huffing/swearing/grumping etc. Water finds the easier route and that was me - easiest route regardless of how I had to explain myself out of things I had agreed to just to keep him happy. You're almost at this stage, this divorce is going to happen and if you don't want to do mediation, then in all honesty what can he do? Be a huffy, dramatic wanker? He's already there and you have nothing to lose by stating your position. Stating, not explaining.

My brother, who lives far far away, upon finding out what was happening in my battles (from my mum) said "he's in for a surprise, Misfit has claws and she's never used them on him". That made laugh, because it was true, I'd always put him first.

My mantra -"what's the worst that can happen?" Did I want to spend another 20 odd years eventually caring for a selfish, utterly self absorbed, man child, or did I want to raise my kids to be confident in speaking up for themselves and challenging the status quo. Absolutely not. I'm not perfect and my eldest has recently highlighted that I perhaps don't ask how things are going in a caring enough way when they are going through the usual teenage angst stuff - but I highlighted at heart, I'm a fixer not a fluffy. Tell me what's wrong and I'll help fix it, I won't stroke your hair and tell you it'll be fine if I don't know it will. I also mentioned that if I been a fluffy, it's likely I wouldn't have had the courage to make the decision to split and we'd still be living under the shadow of Doom Dad and his cloud of miserableness.

Maybe another mantra would be - don't believe a word that falls out of his mouth from now on. My ex changes tack and rewrites history probably as often as he changes his pants. Work out what you can do on your own and base your lifestyle on that. Anything that he then provides after that (like maintenance etc.) is then a bonus. Have you had copies of his pension transfer values yet? Given the missing money, it's a given his pension pot(s) will be pretty good and you're entitled to half - as was my ex and I work for a pension company. This man, who refused to ever put his own wages into a pension (despite my many discussions with him) is now benefitting from over £70k of my pension - so don't be fooled into thinking it's a "little woman" grab or whatever. You're entitled to it, so take it.

Remember, you've come this far, don't stop now even when it feels like it might be the best/easiest option. You're almost at the end of the tunnel and the destination is worth the wait.

mbosnz · 04/01/2021 18:16

Mine is 'this too shall pass - right?!' Generally punctuated by a swig of sav' blanc if the sun could be argued to be over the yard arm if I'm at that point!

You are an incredible person, you're being so strong even when you're not feeling strong, you're projecting strength for your children, and putting them first and doing what you think is in their best interests, even when it's going against your own personal learned survival skills.

You're doing everything right, and you have a great real life support network, but you also have the Massive Mumsnet Army at your back, front and sides. . .

Gellar don't stand a chance. . .

HoollyWugger · 04/01/2021 18:18

Mine is "It'll be alright in the end; if it's not alright, it's not the end."

MisfitNotMissFit · 04/01/2021 18:25

Random thought - but during the never ending pre-split season when I was waiting for him to eventually move out, I'd still find myself texting to confirm where I was, or Cali g if I was going to be late. I'm not sure if you're the same, but I have a hunch you may be.

If you are - knock it on the head. Assuming he's with the girls, then there's a "responsible" adult looking after them and he doesn't need to know your every move. By all means be polite, but a perfunctory - "I'm off out, not sure when I'll be back but you'll be alright to sort the kids tonight and I can do the same if you need to go out this week" is allowable. Don't be drawn into where you are going and who with, it's no longer his business. And it hammers that message home when they stop getting those updates or you stop answering your phone to them.

I had meetings all day in London on Aug 18, so both my work and personal mobiles were on silent. Last meeting finished just before 6pm so I had to rocket to Waterloo to get the next train. When I finally embarked and found a space on the floor by the cycle racks and loo to eat my lunch and check my messages, there were 46 missed calls on one phone and 23 on the other, each getting increasing irate. Wtaf - I was at work, not so Soho flogging my wares. One of my favourite things nowadays is to ignore his calls (he never has the kids so I'm not worried) and his messages until I want to answer them, rather than jumping to attention.

Try it - you will feel liberated beyond beliefs

notinthiseconomy · 04/01/2021 18:56

"It can't rain all the time"

Boonlark · 04/01/2021 18:59

You don't need to tell him about mediation right now. Tell him that you're busy with move and will discuss it once that's done. Then email him once you're safely in the new place

MotherofTerriers · 04/01/2021 19:02

nonsense.x2d.org/
Try this Pollyanna, you can generate your own motivational saying and embroider it on something
I've come up with some real crackers on there

billy1966 · 04/01/2021 19:18

After his appalling behaviour I think what @RandomMess suggests is perfect.

He's an awful man and boy has he fxxked up.
He's lost his wife and most likely his children.
They are unlikely to ever feel really safe with him again.
You have done the hardest part, you have ended an awful marriage.

Enjoy the count down, embrace it, and be proud of it.

You have gotten this twat out of your day to day lives and soon you are going to be enjoying great peace.

I really think it is in your girls and your best interests to not be accommodating with him.
You owe him nothing.
His treatment of your girls have finalised that.
Do not allow him cross the front door of your new home.
Your girls deserve to know that this is a safe, peaceful place, free of his toxicity.

He will want to come into your home.
Make it clear he does not have your permission.
Your responsibility is to your girls, not to making things nice for him or creating an illusion of happy families.

OP, he used your girls as his emotional punching bag, don't forget that.

Should the girls not wish to see him I believe they should be accommodated.

Polite and distant.
An email for contact and arrangements.
Or have a phone with an old sim for him only.
Others on here will have better advice.
But my point is, create a new home that his presence is not a part of.

Loads of marriages dissolve without men doing what your husband did.
Remember that.
He is a really shit father.

Flowers
MadameMiggeldy · 04/01/2021 19:31

@StuckInPollyannaMode you are so bloody brave. Not long to go. Hold fast.

This might make you chuckle but DH was cooking yesterday and needed something to cover a bowl of leftover chicken. Emerged from the press under the sink looking baffled by how to shear off a piece of clingfilm.

MadameMiggeldy · 04/01/2021 19:32
  • Irish to U.K. translation there - press = cupboard
BookFiend4Life · 04/01/2021 20:05

OP I have been following your story for a long time, your recent updates brought tears to my eyes and I wanted to share my mantra (that I once read somewhere else):

"I am strong and I can do hard things"

And so are you! I am a little scared for you as the countdown goes on, could you take the estate agent up on her offer to stay somewhere else for these last two weeks? Or could you have a friend come over and play with the girls (so you're not alone) and ask Gellar to leave for the remaining days and not come to the house during that time and if he refuses go to the rental property yourself? Others on here might see some danger in this, obviously first and foremost be safe. Does he know the address of the new house? If not, I don't think you should share it with him. You are almost there, stay the course!

BookFiend4Life · 04/01/2021 20:07

@Boonlark

You don't need to tell him about mediation right now. Tell him that you're busy with move and will discuss it once that's done. Then email him once you're safely in the new place
I agree, maybe best to hold off on telling about the change in plan if you can, just defer and delay.
Pashazade · 04/01/2021 20:22

Whilst I'm aware it is something of a cliche now having been used for the Paralympics my DH introduced me to Invictus when we first started dating, (20+ yrs ago) I was gobsmacked (in a good way) that he saw me that way. There are so many lines you can take from it, but the last two will probably do.
"I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul"

Invictus
Out of the night that covers me
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance,
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

MonaChopsis · 04/01/2021 22:31

The saying that used to run through my head was "When you're walking through shit... Keep walking."

Just one foot after the other, Pollyanna. You're so close now.

Happynow001 · 05/01/2021 07:01

Apparently Winston Churchill said:

"If you're going through hell, keep going."

Good luck OP to you and your children. You are giving them an excellent example for the future of how to behave if they ever are in a similar situation. You are doing so well and you are getting positive affirmation that you are 100% doing the right thing Brilliant offer from the estate agent in case you need to move sooner than your original plan, for your own safety.

Stay strong and focus on how much lighter your spirits (your girls as well as you) will be once you are in your own space. 🌹

Mix56 · 05/01/2021 08:51

I am not in your shoes, & don't know how dangerous you feel he genuinely could be.
But if it was me, I would say, "I will not be going to mediation any more, you have shown exactly how abusive you are. I've seen & heard enough"
it is not recommended to go to mediation with emotionally abusive partners.
As for a Mantra, nothing profound I'm afraid....I think of Dory... "Keep on swimming, keep on swimming"

Carolwithane · 05/01/2021 09:25

Nothing endures........

Good or bad, nothing lasts forever

Good luck you are fabulous Flowers

Starbonnet123 · 05/01/2021 09:41

I am another follower from the beginning of your story and have only ever wished you well, you amaze me with your strength and fortitude, you are a fantastic role model for your young daughters. You are a woman and mother to be proud of you should be applauded .I have no practical advice to offer as I got out years ago in different circumstances but I can give praise where praise is due 👏👏👏👏👏

Ringsender2 · 05/01/2021 09:54

@MisfitNotMissFit I remember your threads from the time. Great to hear that things are so improved x

katmarie · 05/01/2021 12:23

My mantra all through the newborn stage with both my kids, and through the lockdown with them both at home was 'this too shall pass'. Things might be shit right now but they will change.

Also to the pp who said 'It can't rain all the time', is that a reference to The Crow? Love that movie.

Daftapath · 05/01/2021 12:57

I would also evade any discussion about mediation for now, citing the move as being a priority... as well as home schooling!

If you have an appointment due before the move, then cancel, citing the above reasons.

Once moved, I would get your solicitor to send him the divorce papers and include a letter stating that mediation is no longer appropriate. This is a time when it is good to lean on your solicitor.

If you feel the need to tell him yourself, do it by email so that you do not need to justify why you are stopping. I would probably just say that you have been advised that it is not appropriate to continue to use mediation for the divorce.

DartmoorDoughnut · 05/01/2021 13:22

Hope it makes you smile but my first thought last night - after the initial oh fuck I’ve got to homeschool again admittedly! - was that at least domestic abuse situations don’t count which means you can still move Flowers hope that comes across the right way!!

LemonBreeland · 05/01/2021 14:53

OP I remember reading the start of your last thread, and then I must have lost it. I have just finished reading both threads and I am honestly so impressed with your strength to get through this. It must have been a long few months, but at least soon you will no longer be living with him.

A lot of his behaviour has been awful, but to blame the DC for the marriage breakdown, is like you say, unforgiveable.

I'm hoping the next 11 days pass quickly for you.