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Calling out this man for his shitty behaviour is a terrible idea isn't it.

478 replies

VotNow · 02/12/2020 22:10

Casual relationship. We agreed to be FWB. This was preceded by a couple of months heavy flirting during which he gave every impression of being very attracted to me. He even told someone else he fancied me (who then told me.) All the body language, the catching him watching me when he thought I wasn't looking, the finding excuses to be around me and stand close to me, the playful flirty joking around.

He said he only wanted sex from the start. Fine. I wanted sex with him too. But he was a dreadful FWB. The first time we hooked up he basically told me it was time for me to go after we were finished. I put my foot down and told him I expected to be treated with respect and kindness, even in a casual relationship, and he seemed to get a little better. The second time we got together he made me food and we spent more time talking etc. I was happy enough with that. But he reverted back to being disrespectful and rude again. Ignoring messages when it suited him. Texting at 11.45pm at night (which to be fair, I ignored because I'm not going round at that time.)

The last time we got together was after I had backed off a fair bit. We bumped into eachother and one thing led to another. I still fancied him a lot. But this time he came really quickly (unlike him) and then basically announced - like the first time we got together - that he was done and it was time for me to go now.

We talked and I made it clear that this was unnacceptable to me. That I had been looking forward to some hot sex with someone who would be my friend. I told him that although I was happy with casual and knew we would not be serious, that I thought we had real chemistry. He shook his head and just said we should call it a day. Basically said that I had only been a willing vagina rather than someone he felt an actual connection with.

Well of course I agree that if it's going to be like this then we should call it a day. But I remember back to when we were flirting and how he couldn't do enough for me - getting me drinks and making me coffees at our shared hobby. Always finding excuses to hang around me. The flirting. The staring as I walked past. You don't fake that sort of body language - I now feel so confused. How could I have got it so wrong? It stings and humiliates like buggery.

And I feel furious. With myself for not dumping his arse far sooner, but also with him. I feel he has treated me like shit. The only decent thing he has ever done is end things definitively rather than just ghosting me.

What I want to do is tell him off. Send him a message telling him he's a shit. That decent men are able to treat casual partners decently while maintaining the necessary boundaries. I want to tell him he's immature and that I deserved better.

But this is a terrible idea isn't it. He will probably just tell himself I'm crazy and that I lurve him (I don't.) And considering I haven't contacted him in any way for almost a week since he ended things, if I message now I'm just going to look like I'm still thinking about it (I am but perhaps he does not need to know this.)

How to handle. We're not strangers and are still going to see eachother about.

OP posts:
VotNow · 03/12/2020 22:25

Well we've been forced into contact this evening. Without being too outing he needed to book something to do with our hobby but the person who attempted to organise it didn't know what they were doing and gave him all the wrong information. So I had to message with the correct information. I kept it strictly business - no emojis, no slang, just flat. He messaged back extremely politely saying he would call me with the new arrangements. Then messaged again to say thanks for letting him know.

He then called to make the new arrangements and didn't say who it was. I genuinely didn't recognise his voice (I often deal with enquiries) and said, "Right. Who am I speaking to please?" In my best phone voice. GrinGrinGrin

OP posts:
margaritasbythesea · 03/12/2020 22:32

That's a pretty good put down!

Palavah · 03/12/2020 22:34

To answer your question - yes it would be a terrible idea. You had mismatched expectations. It's over. There's no point in getting angry with him about that now - keep your cool. Worst case scenario is he tells all your mutual hobby mates that you're crazy. Best case scenario is he says 'yeah, sorry about that'. Most likely is you get no reponse, no reaction, no closure, but you feel sheepish at having shown you're riled.

It's not impossible to find casual sex with the chat and niceties, but it's not a given. In the nicest possible way, move on.

Closetbeanmuncher · 03/12/2020 22:53

The second time we got together

This is where you fucked up. There should have been no second time because he showed you exactly who he was the first time around.

A sexually and emotionally incompetent bell end.

Honeyroar · 03/12/2020 22:54

@VotNow that’s good. If you’ve both managed to stay polite and neutral while sorting something out for the hobby then that’s perfect.

GilbertMarkham · 03/12/2020 23:23

Wouldn't bother calling him out,I think you'll regret it in future, you've done right to surf, as you delightfully phrased it, the urge to call him out.

I agree that fwb should include basic manners, warmth and respect; not "I got off, leave now". That's what you pay a prostitute for (though plenty of punters wouldn't even do that with a prostitute).

He's a wanker, he sounds a bit fucked up, he also sounds selfish sexually .. which is the very opposite of what you want in a fwb.

Who knows what his deal is, more to the point who cares. I wouldn't waste any time psycho analysing; the juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze, he's just a, one of many, dickhead who not decent relationship material and not even decent fwb material.

Itsallpointless · 03/12/2020 23:24

I have never got my head around FWB. I have (many moons ago) had sex, just sex, not friendship. I cannot imagine the two together without an actual relationship of some kind.

If I wanted just sex, and nothing more, I'd probably want to shag and leave myself, so if he wanted you to go after the shag, I'd not really have a problem with that.

Maybe boundaries weren't 'set' initially. Like PP have said, he wanted sex, you wanted sex, I cannot see where he has been disrespectful..sorryConfused

GilbertMarkham · 03/12/2020 23:26

Incidentally it sounded like you had, or would be likely to, catch feelings ... So you were going to get hurt in a fwb with him sooner or later, even if he's been polite, warm and respectful.

GilbertMarkham · 03/12/2020 23:29

he wanted sex, you wanted sex, I cannot see where he has been disrespectful..sorryconfused

She wanted sex in which he didn't say or imply she should leave the second he pulled his dick out.

I'd imagine if be the same.

GilbertMarkham · 03/12/2020 23:30

*I imagine I'd be the same.

NotPrude · 03/12/2020 23:36

She wanted sex in which he didn't say or imply she should leave the second he pulled his dick out

No, but he made it clear the first time that's what he was after. OP just thought she could persuade him to give her more so she kept going back to him.

GilbertMarkham · 03/12/2020 23:43

No, but he made it clear the first time that's what he was after. OP just thought she could persuade him to give her more so she kept going back to him.

She pulled him up on it, he didn't behave like that the next two or three times and she understandably thought he'd wises up and would act decently.

Then he did it again and they finished their arrangement - in fact op finished because it sounds like he'd have continued in spite of what he said.

In MN/the ideal world, she'd never have given him a second chance; in the real world things are rarely that black & white.

In any case it sounds like op was in danger of catching feelings and it's best she's out of it regardless of how poor mannered & selfish a fwb he is.

Itsallpointless · 04/12/2020 00:17

She wanted sex in which he didn't say or imply she should leave the second he pulled his dick out

I did say boundaries weren't set🤷🏻‍♀️

RantyAnty · 04/12/2020 02:43

Your who dis response to his call was brilliant!

I'd be curious if he's done this before to others in your hobby group?

You didn't do anything wrong in the situation.
You pulled him up after the first time and he agreed to be more friendly afterwards. If he wasn't capable of sticking to that, then he shouldn't have called you again.

If he just wants to get off and doesn't care, then he needs to reach in his pocket and hire a sex worker. Then he'll get exactly what he wants.

Dick is low value and in high supply. He needs to realise that and either up his sense of decency or hire a sex worker.

Sakurami · 04/12/2020 04:29

He basically led you on for two months. So then when you started sleeping together, despite him saying that he wanted sex only, I don't think you really believed that (many, including me, wouldn't).

But in future, make sure that the minute someone is disrespectful or behaves in a way that you don't like, drop him.

Bluntness100 · 04/12/2020 07:21

Surprised at some of these responses. He didn’t lead her on for months, or wise up etc. He was very clear before she slept with him it was just sex. He didn’t wish more.

The op, starts off by saying fwb then says he told her it was just sex. Fwb and just sex are not the same thing.

Fwb is you’re friends, you hang out together, you have occasional sex, but neither wishes a romantic relationship. Just sex is just that, you hook up, after a night out or when you both feel like it, shag and go. Plenty of people are happy with the latter.

The op, didn’t wish this. She wanted dates, she wanted a relationship with him, albeit without commitment. He didn’t wish a relationship with her, he didn’t wish dates etc, he wanted just sex and was clear.

This isn’t a case of he should have entered a relationship with her, wined and dined her to have sex with her, becayse he told her it’s just sex and she said yes to this.

The mistake they both made was when the op did make it clear she wanted the whole date night thing, he should have said no. And her mistake was when she realised he didn’t wish a relationship she should have just walked away,

I don’t really see the op being treated badly as such, simply she wanted something more with him that he had no interest in having with her, even though he had made it clear he wasn’t interested in her that way.

Ironingontheceiling · 04/12/2020 07:24

He didn’t lead her on. He told her from the start he only wanted sex

Itsallpointless · 04/12/2020 07:27

@Bluntness100 fully agree!

GreenlandTheMovie · 04/12/2020 07:29

Bluntness two people are involved in having sex. It's not all about what the man "wishes". The man doesnt get to set all the rules. There is a level of common decency most people adhere to that is missing here that's really quite disturbing.

I hardly think the OP was expecting to be discarded right after he finished having sex. Most of us wouldn't (I feel sorry for you if you think this is OK). As pointed out above, many men wouldn't even treat sex workers so callously.

Many women would have difficulty reconciling such bad behaviour, particularly after being pursued for 2 months and the man not being a stranger. We don't all behave like compliant sex robots, obeying mens' wishes to the letter.

Bluntness100 · 04/12/2020 07:29

@Ironingontheceiling

He didn’t lead her on. He told her from the start he only wanted sex
Exactly. She wasn’t entitled to a relationship with him. Just as if the genders were reversed a man wouldn’t be entitled to a relationship with a woman if she said just sex ans plenty do. No one is entitled to a relationship because you agree to have sex with someone.

It’s all kinds of wrong that so many people feel that she was entitled and that him not providing this in return for sex was wrong.

GreenlandTheMovie · 04/12/2020 07:31

What a depressing world of low personal expectations you must inhabit Bluntness.

What on earth has happened to you to make you think like this?

Bluntness100 · 04/12/2020 07:32

@GreenlandTheMovie

Bluntness two people are involved in having sex. It's not all about what the man "wishes". The man doesnt get to set all the rules. There is a level of common decency most people adhere to that is missing here that's really quite disturbing.

I hardly think the OP was expecting to be discarded right after he finished having sex. Most of us wouldn't (I feel sorry for you if you think this is OK). As pointed out above, many men wouldn't even treat sex workers so callously.

Many women would have difficulty reconciling such bad behaviour, particularly after being pursued for 2 months and the man not being a stranger. We don't all behave like compliant sex robots, obeying mens' wishes to the letter.

You don’t need to feel sorry for me, I’ve never entered this type of relationship. However plenty of men and women are happy to just have sex and not spend the night or have dates, hook ups are very common. These folks don’t need your pity.

And what are you talking about the man setting all the rules, the op has a level of personal responsibility, he said jist sex, she has the personal responsibility to say yes or no, no one forced her to say yes, it was a personal and freely made choice she made.

She was not entitled to more from him.

Ironingontheceiling · 04/12/2020 07:35

It’s not about low expectations.

I only wanted sex. He only wanted sex. Either of us could text the other and go “fancy a shag”. If the answer was yes we shagged and went home.

That’s what a fuck buddy is.

At the particular time in my life I wasn’t wanting a relationship. But sex is great, I need the physicality of sex sometimes, a wank isn’t the same, not even with toys.

You might as well say I used my fuckbuddy because all I did was ring him for sex, go to his and come straight home. He never even got to stay at mine.

MRC20 · 04/12/2020 07:35

Why bother it won't change who he is and he'll just think you're unhinged because he couldn't possibly have done anything wrong. He's a wanker not worth your time.

GreenlandTheMovie · 04/12/2020 07:42

Bluntness it's not a matter of entitlement or one person's wishes trumping another's. It's a matter of this particular man having problems with his behaviour, which has made someone, quite reasonably, feel bad.

No one with normal expectations would expect someone to display callous or rude behaviour after having sex with them. It's very, very odd behaviour and don't try to make excuses for him. Don't normalise it.

Who on earth in their right mind would think it's acceptable to be callously disregarded the moment a man has satisfied himself?

Do you think it's OK for people to be rude and disrespectful in other walks of life, or is it just the magical use of a penis to have sex with that "entitles" them not to be criticised?