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He says it's not cheating...

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tiredofthisshit · 23/11/2020 14:18

Warning - long.
Big back story to this. I've name changed too because I'm embarrassed and disappointed, mostly in myself but I'll get to that.

Been married for 2 and a bit years, together for five. Two children, DD2 yrs and DS8 months and our eldest son would have been 3, he was stillborn in 2017, he was our first child.

We've been through hell and back together, losing our first baby was the worst thing to ever have to experience and it did bring us closer together which is probably why I have forgiven things in the past.

There have been indiscretions on his part before, apparently nothing physical - I found images in his phone, photos of himself exposed, which he had sent to a supposed random woman he had found through a dating chat website sort of thing. At the time of me finding them, the messages were historical and there was no clear evidence that it was a long term thing. More of a photo exchange for kicks and to wank off to.

He claimed that this was something he had always done and viewed this as porn essentially. There was no intention of ever meeting said woman and she wasn't the first one he had done this with. He viewed it as just the same as going on a website and watching a porn video. I told him I didn't think it was the same at all and I wasn't comfortable with it.
This was in 2017 when I was pregnant with our first son who passed away.

After he was born, the relationship felt as if it had evolved and become something else. I was as dependent on him as he was me, for support more than anything. It felt as if no one else in the world knew our pain and so we stuck together. He proposed to me a month or so after our son was born and I said yes. We were married the following September. Nothing has happened since then to arouse any suspicions, however I've always had it at the back of my mind and I haven't been able to trust him 100%. I think I thought he would probably be doing something similar but I just didn't really think about it. Having two young children it was perhaps too painful and inconvenient if I was to discover anything more. I don't know.

Fast forward to last night.
We decided to set up a family app sharing thing on our phones. He was due to go on a work trip and I had an app that would be of use so we set it up so he could download it for free off my account. In doing this it gave him access to see all the apps I have ever downloaded on my phone. It gave me the same for his phone.

I was having an idle look through his to see if he had anything useful. We were sat next to each other at the time, it wasn't a sneaky thing, he was looking at mine too. Anyway, I see a dating and hook up app, downloaded 2019. Then another, downloaded in 2018 (just before I had our daughter). Then a secret file app for hiding photos etc, downloaded 2 weeks after our wedding.

I asked him to explain. He got mad, said he was "sick of this" and that he was "done". More claims of it "just being porn" and that I was somehow irrational. All the things you'd expect a found out guilty party to say. He didn't really explain very well and it didn't make me feel as though it was an ok thing to be doing. I didn't feel irrational, I felt pissed off. With myself for being stupid enough to think he'd stop and with him of course for being a nasty, disrespectful piece of work.

He's gone on his work trip. We haven't spoken since. He's away for three days and I'm taking the opportunity to get a feel of what being a single mum is like because I think that's where it's headed. I'm not worried about caring for the children by myself. I do that anyway pretty much as he works practically every hour that god sends. He doesn't do any night feeds, nothing during work hours. He's present for one hour between 6-7pm and that's it. Weekends vary, he sometimes works them too.

I am a SAHM, I have been since I had my daughter 2 years ago. She doesn't go to nursery yet and I have no job. My main concerns are financial as he holds all the money. I would like to hope he wouldn't be a bastard about paying for the kids but I don't want to rely on that either. I understand there are certain benefits etc but I don't really know what I would need to apply for. I have no family. My parents are abusive bastards and we don't speak. So he is literally the only other adult I have. I do have friends but none close by.

Don't really know what the question is here. Time to pack his bags? If I forgive him he's just going to carry on doing it and making me feel worthless. He didn't care last night he was just stomping his feet and trying to make himself out to be the victim, whilst crowing "I haven't cheated".

Im at the "I don't feel anything about this" stage.

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tiredofthisshit · 24/11/2020 12:32

I've had a snoop today, can't find much apart from some bank statements but they're years old.
I think everything is online now, which I cannot access. He has taken his computer with him. I wouldn't be able to access them anyway as they're password protected and I wouldn't like to guess too many times and him get an alert that someone is trying to break in.

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tiredofthisshit · 24/11/2020 12:51

Presumably a tax return would be ideal?

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Baileysandcream · 24/11/2020 13:23

No don't try and log in to any bank accounts that you're not named on.

Do you still have access to the the list of apps downloaded? You could scan that for banking apps - which might give a clue if there are accounts you don't know about.

If you google the business name, you should be able to find previous year's financial accounts which might be a good starting point for you. Companies House should show this, but there are plenty of other websites that also replicate the information publically available on the Companies House website.

Then pension statements, tax returns, any company records, correspondence from other/different bank accounts.

And also any historical information about you in relation to the business - payments you've received, etc.

Whatever you decide to do longer term - and you don't need to rush into any decisions OP, it would be beneficial for you to have a better understanding of your financial situation and the business info.

What if something were to happen to him while he is away, or he caught covid and ended up in ITU, you'd need to handle everything while he couldn't and how could you do this?. It's not unreasonable for you to need to know as much information as possible in case on a day to day basis you need to look after things if he was incapicitated in some way.

QuentinWinters · 24/11/2020 14:02

god why do people do this and try and pretend theres nothing wrong
I was thinking this earlier. Its like saying "are you OK with me squashing mosquitos in your bedroom? So why isn't it alright i killed your barking dog?"
Or "you seem fine with me drinking a gin and tonic before dinner, so I don't understand why you are so upset I'm smoking crystal meth tonight"

Totally fkin ridiculous

yetmorecrap · 24/11/2020 15:11

I couldn't agree more Quentin , and find the old expression 'give em an inch and they will take a mile' is often the case. In my 1st marriage in my 20's when I was being cool. I remember saying 'i don't have a problem with you going out with mates' but I didn't actually mean 5 times a week down the pub leaving me at home with 2 small children. Some people I find need very 'specific' whats ok and whats not when it comes to boundaries !!

NameChangeUnwiseAdvice · 24/11/2020 16:42

I had a remarkably similar situation and I think I went a bit mad from rage.

I made a profile on a very popular swingers website using a pic of me (face blurred) in a low cut dress. I then waited for the literal hundreds of messages to pile in from other site users about what they would like to do to me and what they would like me to do to them and I screenshotted all of them and sent them to my partner at the time. Asked him if the cheating cunt thought that was cheating and suprise! He did.

I'm so sorry you are having to put up with this shit

QuentinWinters · 24/11/2020 19:02

That's brilliant namechanged! Good on you Star

tiredofthisshit · 24/11/2020 23:11

I requested a call back from a solicitor earlier. I was hoping they would call me today whilst he's away but they haven't. When I hit the send button on the form, reality smacked me in the face. Holy shit, I'm thinking about getting a divorce. I'm barely used to the fact that I am married, let alone going through a divorce too.
I had a cry earlier, it all became too much. Practicalities are manageable because it's easy and straightforward, until I remember why I'm having to do these things.

I wrote him a letter, I haven't read it back yet, I'll do that tomorrow. It was four A4 pages long.

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cosmicbabe · 24/11/2020 23:28

@tiredofthisshit

I requested a call back from a solicitor earlier. I was hoping they would call me today whilst he's away but they haven't. When I hit the send button on the form, reality smacked me in the face. Holy shit, I'm thinking about getting a divorce. I'm barely used to the fact that I am married, let alone going through a divorce too. I had a cry earlier, it all became too much. Practicalities are manageable because it's easy and straightforward, until I remember why I'm having to do these things.

I wrote him a letter, I haven't read it back yet, I'll do that tomorrow. It was four A4 pages long.

Well done. You're making the right choice. You don't need a guy like this in your life xx
alvinp · 25/11/2020 08:07

If he has been paying you a wage he can't just stop paying you for no reason. Employment law ensures a lot of protections like notice periods etc. After you've been a paid employee for more than 2 years you are also covered by unfair dismissal laws. He will have to keep paying you until he goes through the legal process to stop paying. You could also take him to an employment tribunal. If he has been doing dodgy things with his tax he will not want to get drawn into this.

As others have said you need a solicitor. Possibly also worth an initial chat with an employment solicitor as well as a family law one.

tiredofthisshit · 25/11/2020 10:23

Got a phone appointment tomorrow with family law solicitor.

He's coming back today. Not really looking forward to it. I took my wedding ring off on Monday and I've not worn it since. I don't know if I should put it back on so as not to arouse suspicion. He knows I'm pissed off anyway. I just feel like I don't want to wear it.

I also wondered how bad it would be to keep him around to pay for things that desperately need doing on the house. We've got roof problems which we've had a quote for and are in the process of hopefully getting it sorted. If he's booted out it won't happen and I won't be able to afford it. Does that make me a terrible person for even considering that?

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MandB23 · 25/11/2020 10:26

No. Get the roof done.
Let him pay for all of that whilst you get sorted! :)

DPotter · 25/11/2020 10:58

Don't worry about the roof - let him pay. If you don't the house valuation will be less so you need to keep the house maintained to max the sale value for both of you.

picklemewalnuts · 25/11/2020 12:41

I think he would be surprised you are seriously planning to divorce him. He'll take the removed ring as a sign of your desire to punish him, rather than a serious message. He's expecting that- don't feel obliged to go overboard pretending everything's fine. Just be quiet and subdued.

tiredofthisshit · 25/11/2020 16:15

He's on his way back now, returning at around 6pm he thinks. I don't even know what to say to him. I'm just not going to say anything and see what he does first.

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Mrsmummy90 · 25/11/2020 16:36

Don't say anything - a swift kick in the balls will say more than words ever could 😂😜

Mac89 · 25/11/2020 21:46

Hope you're ok @tiredofthisshit if he's home now!! You've been really bloody cool, calm and collective on here! Try and keep it that way in front of him this evening! So much easier said than done I know!

Zofloramummy · 25/11/2020 22:06

Just a quick comment on a pp, universal credit support for interest payments on a mortgage is very difficult to access and I really wouldn’t factor that into any future plans. I’m also a single parent who is a homeowner, whilst it’s difficult to manage it isn’t impossible. I increased the term in my mortgage and I work in a school so have cut down childcare costs.

What he is doing/has done is disrespectful to you and your relationship, his sniping at you and inferring you are worthless and lazy because he is the only one earning money is unfair. I’d be looking at divorce too.

ekidmxcl · 25/11/2020 22:27

Definitely get the roof done. Your kids need a home, it's not like you're getting some cosmetic procedures on him!

tiredofthisshit · 25/11/2020 22:28

Thanks @Mac89 - I'm not really Ok. He is home. We've barely spoken, I just don't know where to start or what to say. He's just said he's going to go up to bed "unless I want to chat about anything" I said I couldn't be bothered because honestly I can't. He left the room and I felt the tears coming up.

I keep thinking about how much better I have felt without him here. The reality of it all is really quite crushing. I don't know if I even want to have the conversation, I don't want to listen to his excuses. I almost wish he didn't come home and he had just decided to leave. I suppose then I could have dealt with it all in my own time. This way I've got to rip off the plaster and it's a bit scary.

I thought my future was made and now it's not and to be honest I'm a bit afraid of what the next few days, weeks, months will look like.

The pain of the betrayal is starting to creep in too. It's all just so shit and I hate him for doing this again.

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tiredofthisshit · 25/11/2020 22:29

I did fancy a boob job @ekidmxcl but that's probably a bit of stretch now ConfusedGrin

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Lora88 · 25/11/2020 23:43

Well that’s basically what my now ex of 11 years told me 6 months ago when I found out he’d been messaging escorts , got mad at me because he was guilty as hell then spent weeks trying to tell me it was a porn substitute and had no intention of meeting them , for me I think dating apps / sending other women things or speaking in a sexual nature with them is crossing a massive line , he’s done it before then done it again , they aren’t mistakes they are choices he’s making a s it’s disrespectful, why does he need to do this when he has you ? Probably try and tell you it’s an Ego boost or you didn’t pay him enough attention that’s what my ex said , my daughter was only 2 weeks old when I found out and we have 3 children together in total I was heartbroken and spent months trying to work through it but turns out I couldn’t , I don’t think you should either x

VulvaPerson · 26/11/2020 02:56

I would certainly not see this as 'just porn'. Maybe beneft of the doubt first time, but you told him how you felt, and it seems he kept going anyway. It doesn't sound much like you are enjoying the relationship either, nor getting any 'help' (hate that word when its dads, but you know what I mean) with the kids. I think you might be happier without him, but only you know this for sure.

But yeah, the pics (after you aired your views, being generous and allowing another chance..) would be 'cheating' in my eyes I think. Even if it wasn't cheating, its showing you no respect whatsoever. If he thinks its 'like porn', not sure why he doesn't just view porn..the porn excuse is bullshit IMO.

Sunflower1970 · 26/11/2020 05:41

I’d get your paperwork together and get half an hour free legal advice. If it was your house before marriage I’d stay there. I’m sure you can come to some arrangement that he keeps the business and you keep the house that would work. This man sounds a terrible partner and doesn’t seem a decent father. Time to move on from this shit xxx

Moviestar · 26/11/2020 10:53

I have no advice for you, he is a complete disgrace and you are right not to tolerate it.
I just wanted to send you a bit of support and a handhold, and lots of us are thinking of you and wishing you well.

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