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My partner is putting off trying for a baby

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Birdland86 · 20/11/2020 14:24

Hello, first ever post, I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice?

I've been with my partner 4 year and we both are in agreement that we want to have children. I'm 34 and he's 38. We are not in a great financial situation, we are both artists and have freelance type jobs to make money. I don't think we will ever have loads of money but we are resourceful and loving and we think we can make having children work.

The issue is that I feel like he just keep putting it off, it's never the right time to start trying. The conversations about having children are starting to make me more upset and the last discussion ended in an argument. He said that I'm pressuring him and these conversations are making him want to have children less.

I've tried telling him that I feel the longer you leave it the harder it might be to conceive and there are higher risks of complications. Plus it can take time to conceive anyway. Another issue is that he never wants to have sex, it might be once a month if I'm lucky. Another factor that might make conceiving slow or difficult.

I'm starting to feel like a crazy woman and a bit unsure of what to do!

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LemonTT · 21/11/2020 10:54

You describe him as follows, and yes I am going to paraphrase

  1. Having no stable income
  2. A man child
  3. A dreamer who drinks wine and watches sunsets
  4. Lazy, ok you mean in bed but I’m not sure it doesn’t apply elsewhere in his life
  5. Inconsistent in the promises and commitments he makes to you


What on earth makes you think this makes him father material? Pick him if it just means a life with you. Don’t pick him as a father to a child.
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Birdland86 · 21/11/2020 10:59

@billy1966

The only thing that strikes me as wrong here is that he is probably lying to himself as much as you.

The lifestyle that ye enjoy is a very particular one.
Child free and focusing on the moment and yere Art.

Absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.

But is it conducive to having children? I think not.

Children need security, reliable, routine and yes they cost money.

I think it is perfectly understandable that he may not be really that bothered.

But he needs to be honest and I don't think he is being.

A friend of mine was pushed into having a baby by a girlfriend he cared about.
I was surprised as I knew well he hadn't any interest.
He ended up walking away and leaving her with a 7 and 5 year old.
He provided for them well, but he just really had no interest in being tied down by family life.
Very much a free spirit.🙄
It was very hard on his lovely wife.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. I think maybe he is also lying to himself.

And totally nothing wrong with the lifestyle he wants, but as you say, it's not conducive to having children.

That's really sad about your friend that was left with the little ones. Sounds similar in the my boyfriend is very much a free spirit and like to travel. I really don't want to 'force' him into a life that's not for him and risk not having a good, stable life for potential children.
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KarenW · 21/11/2020 10:59

Agree with lemonTT wholeheartedly

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user12743356664322 · 21/11/2020 10:59

I felt bad for him because...

You've said this a few times as your reasoning for not asserting your own needs.

Why don't you value yourself enough to feel bad for yourself here?

His actions have told you loudly over and over that he doesn't want children, he doesn't want to try for children, he doesn't want a future with children in it.

The relationship met both of your needs at one point. It doesn't anymore: he wants a totally different future and lifestyle to you.

That is sad and it is worth grieving. But that grief and loss are survivable - and, it seems, necessary. Loss is an intrinsic part of life, running from it doesn't change that.

Whilst it's understandable that both of you are trying to postpone grieving for the loss of a relationship that's been very important to each of you, the price you're likely to pay for doing so is to be left with a much greater lifelong grief for the children and life you never had.

Ending the relationship doesn't wipe away your history together and all the good things it's brought into your life or how it's shaped the person you are. Its ending doesn't devalue what you have shared or the love you've had, it just recognises that it's time for you both to move on. All of those things will remain even if he is no longer physically in your life. Flowers

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Birdland86 · 21/11/2020 11:05

@KarenW

Hi, if you wait for Covid to die down, (12 months min), Brexit to get sorted(who knows), house hunting in the UK (6months) and job hunting (3 months) ,that is near on 2 years, or 24 menstrual cycles you are throwing away!!WHY?? You want children, he is not the boss of you , he does not get to decide whether you do this or not, you do. I am mad at him on your behalf. Hope you can see that we all want what is best for you, as always with MN.

I've done this maths in my head as well, it's not good and just sets me back even further.

I really appreciate the honestly and frankness on this and it's really been a wake up call. I don't have many people to talk to about this because of being cooped up because of covid and far away from friends. I chat to my mum and sister and they are also saying similar things to what has been said here.
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Birdland86 · 21/11/2020 11:06

@LemonTT

You describe him as follows, and yes I am going to paraphrase

  1. Having no stable income
  2. A man child
  3. A dreamer who drinks wine and watches sunsets
  4. Lazy, ok you mean in bed but I’m not sure it doesn’t apply elsewhere in his life
  5. Inconsistent in the promises and commitments he makes to you


What on earth makes you think this makes him father material? Pick him if it just means a life with you. Don’t pick him as a father to a child.

When you put it together like this it really makes it blatantly obvious. It doesn't add up to good father material.
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Oliversmumsarmy · 21/11/2020 11:08

Yes you can wait for the pandemic to be over, you can wait for Brexit to be sorted but why would these “events” have any bearing on you trying to conceive.

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WildfirePonie · 21/11/2020 11:24

I left my ex after 5 years for the same reason (and more). I even moved to another country for him, he promised he would find work. We hadn't talked much about kids but I knew I wanted them before I turned 35.

He never worked, stayed up all night drinking. We didn't have sex for 2 years and before that it was maybe once a month or less. I asked how are we going to have kids when you never want sex?! Or with him drinking all night and playing video games.

I met someone else and left him when I was 29.

I have two children now (I am late thirties)

It took me almost a year to become pregnant with my first, and that was with regular sex! Blush

He is just paying you lip service. His actions are telling you that he doesn't want kids. You can do better OP :-)

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Pea1nAp0d5 · 21/11/2020 11:34

The reality is that HE can reach 50+ & still potentially have children
YOU don't have the luxury of time on your side
I think that it is make or break, decision time for you

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thesunwillout · 21/11/2020 11:53

He's happy as he is. Doing very little, being a sort of partner to you.
He'll carry on this way forever.
He can make sure his world and lifestyle isn't changed by a baby by not having sex and putting off the idea.
If a baby came along he wouldn't be a good dad, he'd be lazy.

Yep I've been there, with someone in a similar mindset, but he actually desperately wanted a child with me.

Novelty wore off, he turned back to his arts, weed, not doing much and then left.
We were married.
He left us behind and never looked back or saw his child again.
I thought we had a good foundation for being parents.

You don't have it at all. Not with him.

Honestly op you'll be 40 so quickly, your 30's go so fast.

X

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Jobsharenightmare · 21/11/2020 11:59

Sorry OP but your relationship sounds like both of you have settled. It sounds like he is aware of this and doesn't want children with you because ultimately it isn't a particularly close bond, he isn't in love with you and he'd like to keep his options open for "the one".

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Dery · 21/11/2020 13:02

“The reality is that HE can reach 50+ & still potentially have children
YOU don't have the luxury of time on your side
I think that it is make or break, decision time for you”

This. And there will always be a reason why it is more convenient to delay having children - earn a bit more, get a bigger flat, going travelling etc. If you were in your 20s, that would probably be fine. But you are 34. He has the luxury of time - he could probably comfortably father a child 20 years from now. You don’t.

For me - I had wanted DCs all my life - this would have been a dealbreaker and I would have been off. Because we can promise you, if you sacrifice the chance of motherhood because he didn’t get his arse in gear, you will probably never forgive him. He on the other hand - when he finally decides he’s ready years from now - is very likely to go off with a younger woman who can give him a family. HE WILL HAVE STOLEN THE OPPORTUNITY FROM YOU WHILE STILL PRESERVING IT FOR HIMSELF. Really think about that, OP. You want and need different things now. You’re no longer compatible.

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TwylaSands · 21/11/2020 13:31

Dont let him waste more of your time

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Apple222 · 21/11/2020 13:43

It sounds like he is aware of this and doesn't want children with you because ultimately it isn't a particularly close bond, he isn't in love with you and he'd like to keep his options open for "the one".

OP, I don’t necessarily think he doesn’t love you or is keeping his options open at all. Rather I think that maybe he likes things as they are and is quite happy bumbling along. You want things to change. He perhaps doesn’t share that sense of urgency.

You have to decide whether you can accept this as it is. Is your relationship with him more important than having a baby? Both options are fine but it is a choice you have to make.

I don’t agree that this makes him selfish or that he doesn’t care. Far from it. Having children is a big decision...life-changing...it is ok to be on a different page from your partner but you do have a decision to make if having children is vitally important to you and maybe a little less, or a lot less, important to him right now.

But please don’t feel he doesn’t love you or care for you. That’s horrible. You can love someone but not necessarily want a child with them right now.

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feellikeanalien · 21/11/2020 13:44

OP you say that you would move back to the UK from Portugal if you had a child. How long have you both lived there?

DP and I moved back to the UK when DD was 7 because of the lack of SN provision where we were living at the time. DP hated it back here and never really settled down. He had spent most of his adult life outside the UK. Usually if we had an argument it was my fault that I'd made him come back!

You really have to find out exactly what your DP wants. It's one thing to say you want children but quite another to actually do it. I remember when I found out I was pregnant with DD I was very happy but also slightly wondering what we had done. If one of you is not fully on board this could lead to problems later.

I think the bottom line is that you need to have "the talk" sooner rather than later and although it may not have the outcome you are hoping for at least you will know where you stand.

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1950s1 · 21/11/2020 13:47

I agree with HotSince63. I wouldn't consider having children in an unstable relationship especially when finances aren't great. It's just not practical.

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Pea1nAp0d5 · 21/11/2020 13:58

It sounds like you have done enough talking already

Decision time

Make plans & make them happen

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Jobsharenightmare · 21/11/2020 15:23

Bumbling along in a relationship where one person doesn't want to have sex whilst the other does isn't most people's idea of a healthy intimate partnership or fertile ground for parenting. Sounds like you are more friends. Doesn't mean he doesn't love you, but maybe not in the way you (or most of us) would like.

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mamakena · 21/11/2020 15:48

These types seem to get a kick out of future-faking women out of their reproductive years. They tend to be resentful about their own life failures and you may be a subconscious target of this because you reflect this painful reality to him.

A few years down the road he'll dump you for a 29 year old desperate chick maybe with a nice job, and instantly impregnate her.

Believe actions, not empty words. Learn from others' painful experiences. Dont wait to repeat them.

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Birdland86 · 21/11/2020 15:52

@Oliversmumsarmy

Yes you can wait for the pandemic to be over, you can wait for Brexit to be sorted but why would these “events” have any bearing on you trying to conceive.

I suppose it's because we would want to be in a better position (money, stability) in our lives before we had kids.
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Birdland86 · 21/11/2020 15:55

@WildfirePonie

I left my ex after 5 years for the same reason (and more). I even moved to another country for him, he promised he would find work. We hadn't talked much about kids but I knew I wanted them before I turned 35.

He never worked, stayed up all night drinking. We didn't have sex for 2 years and before that it was maybe once a month or less. I asked how are we going to have kids when you never want sex?! Or with him drinking all night and playing video games.

I met someone else and left him when I was 29.

I have two children now (I am late thirties)

It took me almost a year to become pregnant with my first, and that was with regular sex! Blush

He is just paying you lip service. His actions are telling you that he doesn't want kids. You can do better OP :-)

Oh my god 2 years without having sex. Did he want kids? I wonder now if we are together longer it could end up like this. Sad He is def not into video games but does drink every night.
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Birdland86 · 21/11/2020 16:01

@thesunwillout

He's happy as he is. Doing very little, being a sort of partner to you.
He'll carry on this way forever.
He can make sure his world and lifestyle isn't changed by a baby by not having sex and putting off the idea.
If a baby came along he wouldn't be a good dad, he'd be lazy.

Yep I've been there, with someone in a similar mindset, but he actually desperately wanted a child with me.

Novelty wore off, he turned back to his arts, weed, not doing much and then left.
We were married.
He left us behind and never looked back or saw his child again.
I thought we had a good foundation for being parents.

You don't have it at all. Not with him.

Honestly op you'll be 40 so quickly, your 30's go so fast.

X

That's so sad that he left and never saw you both again, I'm so sorry Sad What you say really rings true, I think he's happy as he is doing very little. When I (nicely) voiced my my concerns that I just can't see kids happening with us if we carry on like this he thought I was being unfair and couldn't understand it.
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goody2shooz · 21/11/2020 16:03

So...... money is tight, you rarely have sex, he keeps fobbing you off re having kids, you’re the wrong side of 35, he drinks every night. And WHY in God’s name do you think this would make for a happy home for a child? You’re not happy, he’s not ideal father material. List the attributes you’d like the ideal husband/father to have and see how many, if ANY, your current fwb matches. You KNOW this relationship is a waste of your time, but if you want children you have to change your current situation. 💐

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Birdland86 · 21/11/2020 16:07

@Dery

“The reality is that HE can reach 50+ & still potentially have children
YOU don't have the luxury of time on your side
I think that it is make or break, decision time for you”

This. And there will always be a reason why it is more convenient to delay having children - earn a bit more, get a bigger flat, going travelling etc. If you were in your 20s, that would probably be fine. But you are 34. He has the luxury of time - he could probably comfortably father a child 20 years from now. You don’t.

For me - I had wanted DCs all my life - this would have been a dealbreaker and I would have been off. Because we can promise you, if you sacrifice the chance of motherhood because he didn’t get his arse in gear, you will probably never forgive him. He on the other hand - when he finally decides he’s ready years from now - is very likely to go off with a younger woman who can give him a family. HE WILL HAVE STOLEN THE OPPORTUNITY FROM YOU WHILE STILL PRESERVING IT FOR HIMSELF. Really think about that, OP. You want and need different things now. You’re no longer compatible.

"there will always be a reason why it is more convenient to delay having children - earn a bit more, get a bigger flat, going travelling etc" - yes completely, and I feel like I've been 'cool' and waited long enough. I take some responsibility in that maybe I haven't been clear enough because I'm amenable.

"if you sacrifice the chance of motherhood because he didn’t get his arse in gear, you will probably never forgive him" - yes exactly, so I'm a bit screwed either way!
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Mrsmummy90 · 21/11/2020 16:11

The disinterest in sex alone would concern me. I've had it happen in a previous relationship where he wouldn't come near me and there were always excuses but the truth was he just wasn't interested in me anymore and was just comfortable being more like a roommate. He was also just an arsehole lol.

I'm now with someone who loves me, loves sex and actively (and happily) had children with me.

Get out of there while you've got time to have kids with someone who wants to xx

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