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How can I have a relationship in this situation?

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DatingDilemmas · 19/11/2020 18:15

I am 46. I have two children of 22 and 15. I split up from their dad 8 years ago. He has been in a relationship since about 6 months after we split up.

I've had a few short term flings but nothing serious and no one I've really involved my kids with. They met the last man I dated a few times but that's all.

They both still live at home. Eldest at university and youngest doing GCSEs.

The youngest spends alternate weekends at her dad's. And this is my time to do what Iike. She doesn't see him otherwise and we have no other family. I have 4 nights a month.

I've recently started seeing someone and she has explicitly said that she doesn't want me seeing him when she is at home and I have alternate weekends when she's not here to do what I like.

I'm not going to prioritise a man or myself over her but I wondered how other people manage it.

I feel it's unfair that her dad gets to build a whole new life for himself while mine is still on hold waiting for the children to leave home.

I purposely haven't pursued a serious relationship so that I would always be able to prioritise them and have only had casual flings. But i would really like something more serious now.

It isn't her fault. She didn't ask to be in this situation.

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Lollyneenah · 19/11/2020 21:03

I'm not sure here OP. I have a partner who I only see 2 weekends a month, hes brilliant, I love him, we're very close. I also have my dc the rest of the time and tbh I think we're all quite happy. No desire to have him around all the time cramping our style!

Lollyneenah · 19/11/2020 21:04

I think what I'm trying to say is not every relationship has to be moving in and in each others pockets to be a happy one

honeylulu · 19/11/2020 21:16

Stick to your guns OP!

I think you've assessed the situation correctly. It's very common for children to be indignant that mum prioritises herself at all. Embarrassingly I can remember me and my sister getting huffy with our mum if we found out she'd had something nice or done something fun without us ... even if we wouldn't have wanted to. I cringe too recall. We used to go and get her make up out and rummage through it. My kids now do that to me and it makes me furious- can't I just have something of my own that you don't ruin!!! They don't do it to their dad's stuff. If I'm in the bathroom they'll hammer on the door or stand outside talking to me. It's as if it's their right to have me permanently at their disposal.

I think you're spot on too with your son thinking you should be an invisible middle aged mum and not gallivanting with boyfriends. As he's stuck in on Saturday nights he probably feels you're living the life he should be.

Don't cancel your plans!!!

aeiouaeiouaeiou · 19/11/2020 21:23

I'd tell them both that you've considered what they've said but as they are growing up and eventually you'll be on your own you are dating and seeing if it leads to something more serious.

Remind them in the not too distant future they will both be so busy with their own social lives they won't give yours a second thought. Say you'd like their blessing but you intend to go regardless and that's not because they're not your priority but for a very small percentage of your life you're making yourself a priority.

OhDearMuriel · 19/11/2020 21:24

She's quite a selfish girl.
If he makes you happy, she should be happy for you.

Emmie12345 · 19/11/2020 21:25

@Lollyneenah same , don’t live with mine and it works for us (well usually , haven’t a bit of a ding at mo )

Muchadoaboutlife · 19/11/2020 22:06

Even if you were going to a random blokes house for one night of passionate string free sex then that is your right. You are a person with needs not just their mother. You’ve sacrificed enough. You aren’t doing anything wrong. I think you’re telling them too much. They didn’t need to know you were in a relationship. Your sex life is none of their business. They don’t dictate their fathers sex life! In 20 years time they’ll be moaning that you’re needy and lonely and WHY didn’t you make effort to have friends..,do NOT give up this fella. If it was me, I’d make up a female friend and be staying over at her house lots. They don’t need to know

HollowTalk · 19/11/2020 22:45

@Lollyneenah

I think what I'm trying to say is not every relationship has to be moving in and in each others pockets to be a happy one
She's said she has no intention of living with anyone until her daughter's at least 18. The kids haven't even met this man.
DeRigueurMortis · 20/11/2020 00:01

@DatingDilemmas

I have no intention of living with anyone whilst she is under 18.

I know many people do but, having been the child in a similar situation that was handled very badly, I committed to not creating a step parent or blending families 8 years ago and it still stands.

And that's perfectly fine OP if that's your choice.

It's also what makes this situation so bad wrt your children's attitudes.

You are not bringing boyfriends round to the house. You're definitely not proposing someone move in.

You're dating. It might lead to something and it might not - but the truth is that not dating will mean you will be alone.

Taking things slowly now is fine, but they have no right to curtail your love life, especially when you are being utterly considerate of them in the first place by conducting that life out of their line of sight.

I think they do see you as "just mum" not a person in your own right. That's not a good thing and would make me even more determined to demonstrate otherwise - for their benefit as much as your own.

SoulofanAggron · 20/11/2020 00:12

She doesn't get to dictate what you do- you're the mum.

I'm sure you spend plenty of time with her- you're allowed to have a night out now and again or whatever.

Sounds like your daughter has some issues TBH, or she wouldn't feel you have to be with her at all times.

Fudgsicles · 20/11/2020 00:48

I'd be putting your eldest firmly in his place and reminding him who the parent is and to wind his neck in! What a bloody cheek!

Firm talk is needed to tell them that you are an adult, not just mum, and you are entitled and going to have a private life that is none of their business and they do not get any say on it.

My eldest didn't like the idea of me dating at all and told me he would never ever accept me being with someone else. He was younger than your youngest when he said this. I told him then that I am not just mum and I have no intention of staying single until he is an adult. I asked him what he expected me to do and he said I should sit at home waiting for them to get back from their dad's! I made it very clear that this was never going to happen and whilst they are my priority, they are not the only people in my life.

He has tried to stick to what he said tbh and has found it difficult to accept me dating but I've stuck to my guns. I know he is coming around, he has just taken longer to get used to it and I have no intention of making myself a martyr to motherhood.

gindinner · 20/11/2020 01:03

I don't understand why you're asking their permission to go out. Just tell them you're going, don't ask for opinions was your ex very controlling?

Teddybear27 · 20/11/2020 01:38

Stop letting your children dictate who you can and can’t see...You are the parent in this situation. You have a life to live. I understand that they don’t want to see you with different people but your ex is allowed to have a partner but not you?! What happens when your kids grow up and move out? They won’t think twice about you then or they might want you to babysit their children! You only have one life. I think they are being very unreasonable and very selfish. Start standing up to your daughter. She is a teenager now and not a baby...

katy1213 · 20/11/2020 02:00

You're not prioritising him. You're choosing to spend one night with him, out of the many nights you spend with your daughters. Stop consulting your controlling children and go and enjoy yourself.

DatingDilemmas · 20/11/2020 04:59

I've never been 'in each other's pockets' with anyone I've dated. Even before the children. I have my own friends, I have hobbies etc. Since I split up with their dad, I've prioritised them because I thought that was the right thing to do.

Tbh, I think their attitude towards me has become worse since lockdown when we're all in together and i havent been out as much. I think they've just got used to me being around. Work is very full on generally and is worse at the moment so there's also that. I've worked part time over the past few years to be there more for them and have had a full time job for the past 12 months so that's impacted too. My son has some additional need that are well managed now and he's independent other than still living at home. They've never had a problem with me going out at weekends or seeing friends. Tbh, they've never complained about me seeing a boyfriend before either.

In the past 8 years, I've dated 4 men for between 4 and 10 months. They've met two of them. None has ever stayed overnight here.

I think they see their dad as being more stable and settled because he's had one partner for all that time. They get on well with her and she treats them well.

My son has very much become a big fish in a small pond at home and I think that's impacting on the youngest too. He's planning on moving out next year to live with a friend.

There is a particular political issue we disagree on. He is obviously right because he's young, 'progressive', ideological and has little life experience. I'm obviously wrong because I'm old, and informed by experience and think for myself and that has definitely had an impact on our relationship.

Otherwise, they are both lovely people. They are well behaved, thoughtful, treat other people well, no issues at school and have good boundaries with friends. I've raised them single handedly. They've seen their dad alternate weekends but he's a bit of a disney dad and hasnt really got involved with the parenting side of things.

Having said that, I'm the one they talk to and confide in because I'm the one they trust. He's good for a Michelin starred restaurant or an evening of online video gaming but he rarely challenges them and manipulates them - which they are aware of because they can see it. They are frustrated by this as much as they enjoy it.

The issue this Saturday is that they both think that, because she has said she doesn't want me to go to my boyfriend's house on Saturday night, I should stay at home. But I have one evening when its possible. If I don't see him Saturday night then I won't get chance to spend a proper evening with him until next weekend.

They suggested I see him tonight instead but I'm usually in bed and asleep by 10pm on a Friday after work which is late enough to have spent the evening with my daughter but not late enough to get home, cook dinner, shower, change and then get to his.

They now think that I should see him alternate weekends when she's at her dad's and that's all. I saw him midweek this week and they made noises about that but didn't explicitly object.

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DatingDilemmas · 20/11/2020 05:03

I'm not asking their permission but I am going to tell them I'm going out. Obviously.

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DatingDilemmas · 20/11/2020 05:05

Firm talk is needed to tell them that you are an adult, not just mum, and you are entitled and going to have a private life that is none of their business and they do not get any say on it.

That was pretty much included in what I said last night when I was told that I didn't like what they'd said so was 'having a strop'.

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timeisnotaline · 20/11/2020 05:18

I would add that there will be absolutely no boyfriends for either of them until they accept that their mother, a grown woman, is allowed romantic relationships. None, zilch, there will be no changing my mind on this, no facilitating like dropping you at the movies for a date or extending the time they have to be home- if you don’t accept a mature adult woman should be able to have relationships then it would be ridiculously entitled of you to think you deserve this freedom.

DatingDilemmas · 20/11/2020 05:23

This kind of thing was less of an issue before lockdown because my daughter was rarely at home anyway. She spent a lot of time with her friends and they were always sleeping over at each others houses which gave me plenty of time to see my last boyfriend (the 10 month one they met) without any problems.

My brother is very sexist. As were my parents. My brother has not met anyone I've dated and has said he has no intention of doing so.

I'm regarded as a bit flaky and unable to function as an adult because I'm single aside from a bit of dating here and there.

I don't expect this relationship to become long term anymore than I expected any of the others to but it's nice to just pretend for a while.

I think the general feeling is that it's not as though this man is going to become part of our family so why am I letting him take away from them. They did make an effort with the last boyfriend and I think they had high hopes that it would become something serious. They liked him and were happy for him to spend am evening a week at ours.

It's not even as though I spend all evening on the phone or texting. Brief contact by text if they're about and maybe a phone call once a week. Men are very much kept away from my children.

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DatingDilemmas · 20/11/2020 05:34

timeisnotaline

My youngest (daughter) has been asked out a few times but turns them down. She's not interested in dating. She's never been on a date. My eldest (son) was a late starter. He has been on several dates but had 2 girlfriends. He's pretty independent though and doesnt rely on me for lifts etc.

I do think kids having bf/gf is different to parents though. Kids are supposed to find relationship and move on and away in their lives. Parents are supposed to have done that bit already and be steady and constant.

I know how disruptive mum's dating was at similar ages. She did prioritise men over us - we had to accept each new one as equal to our dad and the last man without having chance to get to know them as individuals and they were allowed to tell us what to do, set and enforce their own boundaries etc. She handed over all authority to them. I havent wanted to do that to them. The one first man they met (a couple of years ago), I ended with him partly because he tried to impose a parenting boundary on my daughter that he'd had for his own without any consultation and a "me and your mum..." statement.

The last one (who they liked) spoke to them as individuals, took time to get to know them, shared his own experiences to give a different perspective... he did it well tbh.

I think they were disappointed that it didnt work out with him.

I have no intention of introducing this man to them at the moment.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 20/11/2020 05:36

time lol exactly.

Your love life is not a Democracy. If anything you’ve been too child centred, too unavailable to form a proper adult relationship. Time to make very clear to your children, where the red line is. I’m actually very cross for you. The more you post, the more you come out as a great mum, who has protected her children to such a degree that they see you as their possession. Boundaries needed.

timeisnotaline · 20/11/2020 05:45

I think your youngest might not be interested now but fully expects to be in the odd relationship by her 20s, but I’d be saying that won’t be happening in my house while you have this attitude. I’m not interviewing potential father figures, I’m enjoying romantic company for myself and I don’t intend to stop.

Your brother sounds pretty shitty, I’m sorry about that. Flaky because you are a single female 😡😡.

DatingDilemmas · 20/11/2020 05:57

Yes, I've no doubt she will watnt to date at some point but at the momentshebjas no frame of reference and i have no leverage in that respect!

I've tried to do what is right by them but it seems to have backfired somewhat.

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DatingDilemmas · 20/11/2020 06:00

I didnt really put any boundaries in place with my son's first girlfriend and she was here more often than i would have preferred and stopped over at weekends, which I didnt mind, but he was 18 and paying rent so it felt appropriate. And I liked her.

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DatingDilemmas · 20/11/2020 06:05

And he, I've made it clear to both of them that I'm not interviewing potential father figures and that anyone I see is a relationship etc for me.

They're not bad. The man I dated who they liked came over for the evening on his birthday. They decorated the living room with balloons and banners and she made him a cake. It was their choice and they organised it themselves. I didnt know until i came down from the shower and saw it. They spent just the right amount of time with us to show an interest before going up to their rooms as they normally would. He was really touched and i was really proud of them.

I suppose they feel that they invested in him to a small degree and it didnt work out. They clearly didnt want the fact I had children to impact negatively on the relationship. In the end, it ended for different reasons.

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