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My husband is miserable because he thinks our marriage isn't working. I was happy until he said this...

464 replies

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 15:25

I've been married to my husband for 2 and a bit years - it's my first marriage, his second. I love him to bits. Around a year ago, I had some issues with trusting him - I found some excessively flirty/sexual messages with some of his longstanding female friends on his phone. He was open about the fact that he is very flirty with some of his old female friends because it helps his self esteem (which is painfully low - he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me and expressed feelings of disgust about himself). He let me have full access to his phone and changed the way he interacted with these friends, but I felt betrayed that even after we'd married he still needed that validation from other females. I can be honest and say I went from a confident, independent woman to a bit of an emotional mess. Initially I managed to deal with this quite well and we were very honest with each other. At the same time (earlier this year), he started a new job and a member of his team who is very young and pretty has been texting him a lot. And he responded - again, whilst not crossing the line officially (messages were mostly about work) there was a very flirty overtone and when I saw the messages I flipped out. Whilst he has, once again, amended the nature of his messages with her (and he shows me them when I ask), I've met this girl and it's obvious she's besotted with him and gives his ego a massive boost. He claims he feels just friendship towards her and I've accepted that and we've carried on as normal. I haven't asked to see any of his messages for 6 months.

A few weeks ago he told me he wasn't sure about our future, he feels unhappy and has been feeling like he's going through the motions. This was a shock to me. Particularly as he said he'd actually been feeling this way for well over a year (long before I saw the first bunch of flirty messages). I'm aware that my paranoia and trust issues affected him but I felt I'd resolved them and we were getting on an even keel. We've been talking about buying a house and starting a family. I asked him today if he has feelings for that girl and he said "I don't know. Possibly. I don't know what I feel or why I feel." He said he loves me. I asked him what's wrong with the marriage and he said he doesn't know. Despite everything, I've shown him total trust, even after what we went through. I am confused. We are hopefully going to start counselling but any pearls of wisdom would be appreciated. Apologies that this is so long.

OP posts:
knittingaddict · 16/11/2020 19:07

he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me and expressed feelings of disgust about himself

Ever thought those feelings might be justified? That he should be disgusted with himself and isn't good enough for you?

WizardOfAus · 16/11/2020 19:08

If anything, get counselling for yourself and leave your husband. As hard as it is, you’re 37. Time is still on your side to start a family and meet a nice guy.

Also, Chump Lady is your friend. Here are all things you shouldn’t be doing right now:

www.chumplady.com/2012/05/what-not-to-do/

Read through the website. I think you’ll find it illuminating as everything you state about your husband is behaviour that comes straight from “The Script”.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/11/2020 19:09

I have asked him repeatedly if counselling is just putting off the inevitable or if he's just saying it for the sake of it but he insists he wants to go into it with an open mind...

He is a compulsive liar and manipulator. Of course he will say whatever it takes to string you along. FFS.

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2020 19:11

Isn't it possible he genuinely wants to change?
Genuinely no.

I suspect he has never seen it as a problem before and the women in his life previously haven't flagged it as an issue so he has never thought of it as a problem until I brought it up?

Again no. You can bet he has done this repeatedly over the years. You were just the second one who bought it and married him.

That being said, if I thought I was doing something that caused him hurt or distress, I would just stop.

You wouldn't do it in the first place would you? And here he is doing it not just once but multiple times.

And I know my expectation of him should be the same.

Nope you are the doormat who keeps saying 'i will help you change cos i believe that you want to'.

If he wanted to he'd have done it a long time ago...

Silentplikebath · 16/11/2020 19:16

@IGJ10 don’t waste any more of your fertile years on this cheating, weak man. You’d be better off to have a baby on your own than to constantly wonder who he is messaging and what he is up to.

Backbee · 16/11/2020 19:21

he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me

His actions don't suggest that, sorry to say it sounds like he wants an out and instead of being honest is trying to be 'kind' and imply he doesn't feel worthy of you (ironically that is actually the case).

Bills2pay · 16/11/2020 19:24

He is not good husband material OP - sorry. He doesn’t want to stay married. Not your fault but there’s really nothing you can do except take the initiative and get rid now, even it’s like cutting off one of your own limbs. Been there - it’s excruciating but ultimately there is no alternative. All the best!

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 16/11/2020 19:28

Urgh that is annoying, I don’t get on well with my parents so I can imagine that it is hard for you.

I’m not saying anything about writing this on Mumsnet other that you are putting much more effort into the relationship than him. It’s a great sounding board here. I have often posted stuff to get an impartial view. It’s hard to hear though, I don’t envy your position.

Having said that I have been there with a similarly indecisive partner and it was torture

Ohthatoldchestnut · 16/11/2020 19:28

It's called triangulation - there always needs to be attention from a third somewhere. And they tend to wear down the primary partner until the third is willing to give them a ship to jump to and then it looks like that grass is greener so off they go.

The blame is always on you in some way but the answer is never clear and the goalposts will move a lot (in order to destabilise you). They will wear you down to the point where utterly unacceptable behaviour seems entirely normal to you and the thought of them leaving devastates you (trauma bonding) even if you actually don't want to be with them anymore.

When you first got together was there lovebombing and rushing through relationship stages?

The classic is when you fix everything they ask you to and then they change their reasoning to "I just can't sort myself out whilst being in a relationship" and leave. Then about a week later, they're in a relationship with the third person... Or basically anyone who'll have them.

If the above rings true to you, please consider getting out and be assured that people like that actively choose you because you are a good, kind person with qualities they wish they had (but will never be capable of having). Get out and spend the time working on you.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 16/11/2020 19:29

Whoops posted too soon, but we had a child. If I had been single I would have been long gone

Sandii · 16/11/2020 19:31

Really think about how he’s made you feel . Would someone devoted and committed to you alone make you feel that way? Take off the blinkers and get real ....he’s either half out the door already, or wants you to be so grateful for his sorry ass that you allow him to act like a single man . Have some respect for yourself ..kick him out .

drinkstoomuchwine · 16/11/2020 19:33

Is a marriage where you feel compelled to check the phone activity of your husband (how fearful that must make you as you scroll through) one that is really worth fighting for?

Eckhart · 16/11/2020 19:40

You don't have paranoia and trust issues. Those are gut feelings that you're trying your best to ignore so that you can paint him as a good future partner. This is very damaging to the future you.

blindinglyobviouslight · 16/11/2020 19:41

@knittingaddict

he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me and expressed feelings of disgust about himself

Ever thought those feelings might be justified? That he should be disgusted with himself and isn't good enough for you?

This is a very perceptive post.
Gifgif · 16/11/2020 19:43

I wouldn't call it paranoia- you had a valid reason not to trust him. This sounds toxic.

tenlittlecygnets · 16/11/2020 19:45

You've only been married two and a bit years, yet he's been caught texting two women inappropriately??? And he says it helps his self-esteem, eh? Well, it doesn't do much for your self-esteem, does it?! 🙄

Hugs, op. Looks like your h has checked out.

You deserve someone who loves you unconditionally and who makes you feel good about yourself.

Take back control. Ask him to leave while you think what you want to do. Thanks

blindinglyobviouslight · 16/11/2020 19:45

How old are you OP? If you want a family, don't waste your fertile years on this man. Or worse, don't spend so much time focusing on 'supporting him' to change, that even though he hasn't really, you have a baby with him anyway as it may be your last hope. Then be tied to the fool for 18 years.

Please, please stop focussing on HIM and focus on YOU. You matter.
Your life matters. Find someone who believes that too, and shows it through how they treat you.

namechange20202020 · 16/11/2020 19:46

Yikes, classic script. He'll do the counselling, then say it couldn't be fixed. Looked like he tried while he's off trying to get with the younger one (if he hasn't already done so)

If at 37 he is still seek and need validation of his worth through flirting repeatedly with other people, then I'm afraid to said he will never change.

I thought my ex was depressed too, we did counselling, he made it look like he tired. Turned out he was sleeping with someone 10 years younger.

Lozzerbmc · 16/11/2020 19:46

My DP had doubts 3 years ago - he met someone who “knocked him off his feet”. Nothing happened which I believed at the time, (but who knows, thats what they alll say!?) however for a while he was unsure what he wanted. We have a DS and live together. It was such a shock and a difficult time and we worked through it. Things are ok but I’ve caught him out on Tinder since, totally by chance. My self esteem has been low but I am changing that and getting my debts paid off to help my future. I know he does love me, he is great in other ways, but I think what we have is just not enough.

I’d really encourage you to be brave and start again. Meet someone who really values you so much he doesnt want to look elsewhere.

Zolaanna · 16/11/2020 19:47

Marriage counselling can be fantastic. I haven't been there myself but friends attest that it's very useful.
I imagine marriage counselling is good if you're needing help learning to communicate or need to deal with a illness or something life changing.
I don't think counselling is needed for cheats who have been found out.

DrDavidBanner · 16/11/2020 19:56

OP you sund like a lovely person and I'm so sorry your husband is treating you this way. You've had some fantastic advise on here, and though it may sem overwhelming to take in I think it will prove helpful to you. I also agree that looking at what you've written joint councelling will only be an ego boost for him, however councelling for you alone may be very helpful a it seems he has really done a number on you and from your further posts it seems the relationship you have with your family members has made that feel worse.

You deserve so much better than this and I wish you the best in finding true happiness.

Fluffycloudland77 · 16/11/2020 19:57

You can’t compete with a much younger woman willing to shag him. I don’t think any of us could.

VettiyaIruken · 16/11/2020 20:00

It's hugely insulting to you. For his 'ego boost' he is happy to leave you feeling like total shit.

Also, he is treating this woman (and those before her) like she is not a real person with feelings!
Does he even realise women are humans and not tools to use to stroke his ego?

There's something more wrong here with him than I think you see.

Badwill · 16/11/2020 20:04

Whilst I am confident he hasn't physically cheated

I'm afraid your confidence is about to be shattered. It's a clear as day he's cheating on you.

Im sorry OP but I'd bet my house on it Flowers

ImnotCarolineHirons · 16/11/2020 20:10

Op please please please just read and reread every single post by @youvegottenminuteslynn on this thread.

She absolutely nails it and says everything that's going through my head as I've read your posts.