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Too Soon After Wife Passed Away?

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DontBlameMe79 · 30/10/2020 04:55

First time poster, need to share and don't have anyone else. Short story is there is a senior bloke at work that I've worked closely with for the last 3 years (not my boss). He seemed to be one of those too good to be true types, everyone likes him, natural leader without being overbearing, supportive of his team, amazing dry sense of humour had me in stitches, and he did all this without seeming to try that hard (is a workaholic tho). Long-time marriage and 2 DCs in early 20s (I think he's mid-50s). I'm 41 and divorced 5 years ago, one DC is 12. Separation reasonably amicable, just didn't work in the end and we rub along now. I've dated on and off but it's depressing. I admit I had a massive crush on this guy when we started working together but circumstances meant nothing happened obviously and he was always just professional, but I fell pretty hard. Managed to shake it in the end, but it's never completely gone away.

Then his wife passed away in March, right before COVID. Short illness and no treatment apparently. I didn't see that much of him right after because of lockdown but from what I heard from others he was devastated. Then for the last couple of months I've seen him again at work and he's subdued but doing the stiff upper lip thing but I sometimes see him staring out of the window looking sad and my heart melts. Then we had lunch at work a few weeks ago that was supposed to be a quick sandwich on business but we ended up over 2 hours. He talked about his wife and some of how he felt, but he's still pretty guarded. I just listened for the most part. He seems fatalistic about what's happened but obviously massive impact. Anyway that two hours triggered the feelings I had 3 years ago in a way I've never experienced before, to the point of not sleeping, losing appetite, like I'm 15 again blah blah. He's never given any indication of being interested in me as anything other than a friend and work colleague, but before his loss we had so much chemistry when we were talking and the occasional little flirt from both of us. I always found him physically very attractive and he has a weird physical issue (it's a bit identifying so I won't say more) that everyone can see that he acts as if is not even there. The way he just gets on with things despite this is another part of the attraction, I suppose it's the confidence. I know I'm gushing but I don't have anyone else to say this to.

Now I don't know what to do. I want to respect what happened to his wife, but truth is he's the first potential partner since my divorce I can even imagine being with. Here's the thing though, I know there are others who think the same and fact is he's also loaded financially from career success. I'm fortunate myself so that's not a factor, but that plus his other attributes mean I can't get out of my head that he's going to be targeted and I'll suddenly find out he's with someone else. The thought of that happening is making me feel physically sick. Literally. I've even been hoping for tighter lockdown in the hope it will stop anything else happening. So looking for some views on whether it's too soon to try to nudge things along ever so subtly, and even how to do it. I don't want to look like a vulture but my thoughts are driving me nuts. Which is why I'm posting this in the middle of the night :( sorry for the rambling. I just needed to share really.

OP posts:
JinglingHellsBells · 04/11/2020 22:29

The level of over reactive hyperbolic language is so irritating.

Yep. You said it @MustardMitt

Baggage implies something you need to dump, leave behind, a negative drain on your energy.

It's IS a horrible word to use about a bereavement either on a forum or in RL.

JinglingHellsBells · 04/11/2020 22:31

@ravenmum I'm not sure why extracts from a few articles like the Indie or Guardian written by journalists are the best examples of how to use language. Hmm

Krampusasbabysitter · 04/11/2020 22:56

This post really leaves an unpleasant taste. The lack of empathy by OP towards someone losing a life partner and seeing it as an opportunity for herself is revolting. I really hope that this poor man can find solace with a nicer woman and gives OP a wide berth.

AskEvans · 05/11/2020 00:12

OP I am in a relationship with a widower.
Please remember what a profound effect the loss of his wife will have had on this man, if he cared for her deeply, and the effect that the loss will always have on him for the rest of his life and on the lives of his children.
If you truly care for this man, as opposed to a crush, then please think of what is best for him at the moment and not just what you want from him, which seems to be at the forefront of your mind. Please take a step back - it isn't a game.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 05/11/2020 00:35

7 months is way too soon. Give him a chance to grieve. He probably just appreciates having a friend right now. But you have chosen to pounce so it’s all clearly about you.

IncandescentSilver · 05/11/2020 08:43

Christ. The OP hasn't "pounced" she sees the man at work and is discussing how to proceed on an Internet forum!

Believe me, there are plenty of women out there who would be happy to "pounce" within a month of someone being widowed. The OP isn't one of them.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 05/11/2020 09:27

Oh well if there are other women who will pounce within a month, then the OP better get in there ASAP. Like he’s a prize.

If he is interested he will make the first move. He hasn’t, he wanted to talk to someone about his dead wife and the OP has taken it as a green light. And it’s all about what she wants now.

MustardMitt · 05/11/2020 21:47

[quote JinglingHellsBells]@ravenmum I'm not sure why extracts from a few articles like the Indie or Guardian written by journalists are the best examples of how to use language. Hmm[/quote]
Why are they not? What about the dictionary definition
@ravenmum
posted in her previous post - "the feelings you have about your past and the things that have happened to you, which often have a negative effect on your behaviour and attitudes".

Anyway, OP I’ve given my opinion, I’m going to hide your thread because I don’t care to argue the toss with people that take offence at what someone might say completely anonymously.

QuentinWinters · 05/11/2020 22:28

raven fwiw I'm totally with you

springydaff · 06/11/2020 00:31

SUCH long thread I couldn't get to the end of it - sorry. As you say OP there's some mean spirits around these MN parts and wading through them is exhausting.

Fwiw a 2 hour lunch suggests he is interested imo. But you are both soooo vulnerable, in your different ways. Just carry on being his friend. Let him come to you. But try to take care of yourself too, don't forget yourself and your true needs - hard to do when you're in full dazzle I know.

I do have to say though : were you serious when you said he's a workaholic? If he really is then it's a lonely life for anyone involved with an 'aholic'. Just saying. Don't list sight of yourself ❤️

springydaff · 06/11/2020 00:32

*don't lose sight

ravenmum · 06/11/2020 07:48

Don't know if OP is still on the thread now it's gone past its sell-by date :) but if so, those three articles actually look potentially helpful for you - they are all about what it's like dating a widow or widower. The first is directly written by a bereaved man, describing his experience, the others are based on interviews and experience with bereaved people.

JinglingHellsBells · 06/11/2020 08:15

@ravenmum They might help the OP but...I actually know one of the writers as I am a writer and have written for those papers too. That's why I was a bit sceptical about your putting them out there as some kind of language experts on the term 'baggage' ! :)

ravenmum · 06/11/2020 08:52

It wasn't intended to suggest that any of the writers are language experts; just that that is how the term is normally used. I'm a little baffled that people find it so odd. Maybe some people are thinking of the term "a baggage", meaning an unpleasant woman?

QuentinWinters · 06/11/2020 09:17

Omg jingling give it a rest. OP posted for support and you are just jumping on anything anyone writes that isn't outright condemnation. It's very tedious and has totally derailed the thread.

MiddlesexGirl · 06/11/2020 09:57

^^ This.

MrMeeseekscando · 06/11/2020 11:47

Agreed.
People have commented with their lived experiences and it's been dismissed

MrsBrunch · 06/11/2020 12:35

OP I wouldn't say 'I'm here if you ever want to talk, etc.' as I think that's a bit vague. I would ask if he fancied meeting up at the weekend for a walk. He will then either accept or decline.

It would do you both good to get some fresh air and exercise and if he wants to talk he can. Or maybe you can chatter away this time and he can listen. It's just a bit of company and something to do to break up the day.

Start off slowly and see where it leads but don't push him, let him initiate too if he wants to.

InFiveMins · 06/11/2020 12:43

Men generally move on very quickly. Go for it.

DontBlameMe79 · 06/11/2020 13:18

@ravenmum
Thanks for the articles, I've read 2 of them and the 2nd is how I would hope I would be.

Lockdown has disrupted everything of course. But I was on a zoom call yesterday with about 6 of us and he was one of them. At the end he asked if I could stay on to talk about xxxx (a work thing that we need to get sorted). After talking about that, he started to apologise for "unloading on you" at lunch a few weeks ago. I just said it wasn't a problem in any way and was happy to chat whenever he wanted to. I asked him how he was doing and in short it's still tough but one day at a time and trying to stay positive and look forward. He is finding the prospect of lockdown very depressing given their circumstances.

He then asked a lot of questions about what I was doing during lockdown, how I was getting on, who I was with, any special difficulties. He already knows a fair bit about my personal life, so he may well have been just trying to balance out that our last long chat all about him and his family's situation.

At the end I repeated that I did want to help if I possibly could, whether just on the screen or in person somehow socially distanced, but didn't want to intrude. He said "you're not just being polite are you?". Of course I said no. And he smiled and said "thanks, I'd really like that a lot". I thought he could probably hear the banging in my chest through the screen! I'm not ashamed to say the next thing I did was a large glass of Pinot pacing around the living room :)

I'm pretty much at peace on this now. This thread, even with the negative elements, just seemed to help get my head straight. Who knows what will happen, but I feel like I've put the offer out there and he was so sweet (I know, I know… Infatuated). From the tone, it feels like he will get in touch (the work excuse is always there for both of us), and I'll see how it goes.

OP posts:
QuentinWinters · 06/11/2020 13:25

That sounds really promising. Good luck op.

diggadoo · 06/11/2020 15:45

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ConcernedAboutWarrington · 06/11/2020 16:04

Oh OP there are some real vipers on this thread.

I think you should text / email him and say:

Subject: Hi

Hi Steve

It's been great chatting with you lately and I do mean what I say - if there's anything I can do to help / support you then I will - it's been quite a year for you, I know.

I'm just conscious that we've been talking quite a lot during work time, but if you would like to got out for dinner sometime (when we can!) then I'd like that too. That way we can have a proper chat without watching the clock, and maybe have a glass of wine too. No worries if not, I'm sure you're busy too.

Anyway see you on (whenever) for the __ project meeting.

DontBlameMe79

You can't just WAIT and HOPE for him to come to you?! Give the door a little push. He might open it, he might not. You've given him an out too. For goodness sake you get one life, just live it!

MiddleAgedLurker · 07/11/2020 11:32

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ravenmum · 07/11/2020 12:41

Sounds promising. Personally I'd do no more than show enthusiasm - you've been mildly flirty before, keep it up. That way, if he does want to take the lead, he'll probably do it. But maybe that's not your style and you're tough enough to go back to work the next day if things get awkward. For the reason I gave above, the one thing I'd really avoid is making a move while giving the impression you're offering support.