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Too Soon After Wife Passed Away?

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DontBlameMe79 · 30/10/2020 04:55

First time poster, need to share and don't have anyone else. Short story is there is a senior bloke at work that I've worked closely with for the last 3 years (not my boss). He seemed to be one of those too good to be true types, everyone likes him, natural leader without being overbearing, supportive of his team, amazing dry sense of humour had me in stitches, and he did all this without seeming to try that hard (is a workaholic tho). Long-time marriage and 2 DCs in early 20s (I think he's mid-50s). I'm 41 and divorced 5 years ago, one DC is 12. Separation reasonably amicable, just didn't work in the end and we rub along now. I've dated on and off but it's depressing. I admit I had a massive crush on this guy when we started working together but circumstances meant nothing happened obviously and he was always just professional, but I fell pretty hard. Managed to shake it in the end, but it's never completely gone away.

Then his wife passed away in March, right before COVID. Short illness and no treatment apparently. I didn't see that much of him right after because of lockdown but from what I heard from others he was devastated. Then for the last couple of months I've seen him again at work and he's subdued but doing the stiff upper lip thing but I sometimes see him staring out of the window looking sad and my heart melts. Then we had lunch at work a few weeks ago that was supposed to be a quick sandwich on business but we ended up over 2 hours. He talked about his wife and some of how he felt, but he's still pretty guarded. I just listened for the most part. He seems fatalistic about what's happened but obviously massive impact. Anyway that two hours triggered the feelings I had 3 years ago in a way I've never experienced before, to the point of not sleeping, losing appetite, like I'm 15 again blah blah. He's never given any indication of being interested in me as anything other than a friend and work colleague, but before his loss we had so much chemistry when we were talking and the occasional little flirt from both of us. I always found him physically very attractive and he has a weird physical issue (it's a bit identifying so I won't say more) that everyone can see that he acts as if is not even there. The way he just gets on with things despite this is another part of the attraction, I suppose it's the confidence. I know I'm gushing but I don't have anyone else to say this to.

Now I don't know what to do. I want to respect what happened to his wife, but truth is he's the first potential partner since my divorce I can even imagine being with. Here's the thing though, I know there are others who think the same and fact is he's also loaded financially from career success. I'm fortunate myself so that's not a factor, but that plus his other attributes mean I can't get out of my head that he's going to be targeted and I'll suddenly find out he's with someone else. The thought of that happening is making me feel physically sick. Literally. I've even been hoping for tighter lockdown in the hope it will stop anything else happening. So looking for some views on whether it's too soon to try to nudge things along ever so subtly, and even how to do it. I don't want to look like a vulture but my thoughts are driving me nuts. Which is why I'm posting this in the middle of the night :( sorry for the rambling. I just needed to share really.

OP posts:
MacbookHo · 31/10/2020 21:09

You’re single. There’s nothing to stop him asking you out if and when he wants to.

Rostbif · 01/11/2020 01:30

I met my DP 4 months after his wife suddenly died. We've now been married for 14 years. Everyone is different, and there is no set timescale. Go for it Smile

DarkMutterings · 01/11/2020 02:53

Sometimes I'm just achingly lonely, and as someone says that's not his problem. OLD has been such a disappointment, some of it my fault I'm sure. I've not had sex for over 3 years. I come across as very "put together" and that's needed as part of the job, but inside I'm in bits.

Of the whole thread, this is the part that stands out the most to me.

By all means put out a 'always hear to listen' vibe if you want but you need to spend some time sorting through these feelings. What can you do outside of work to reduce the loneliness (and I suspect OLD is not the answer!) I get that it's hard on lock down but perhaps shifting some focus to yourself will ease the infatuation and also make you more open to meeting other people off line.

1forAll74 · 01/11/2020 03:39

Keep it as a friends thing for the time being, he will still be grieving, and won't want anyone inching into his world at the moment. You may find that he will show more than an interest in you ,in his own good time.

JinglingHellsBells · 01/11/2020 08:31

I want to respect what happened to his wife, but truth is he's the first potential partner since my divorce I can even imagine being with

This shows how over-invested and infatuated you are.

He's a work colleague. Your opinion of him is based on work settings.
To talk of him being a potential partner based on this is madness.

If you approach him as you intend to he will either

1 Sense your keenness a mile off and run for the hills as it's too obvious and too soon and you're hitting on him

2 Take you at your word about being a 'friend' and not look beyond that.

He's not even had time to process key dates over a year- birthdays, anniversaries, Xmas, family memories around all of this.

You come over as completely self centred and not really appreciating his feelings other than for your own needs and motives.

forumdonkey · 01/11/2020 09:38

As has been said on previous posts, it's not about you, it's about him. Only he knows how he's feeling, only he knows what he wants and only he knows when and if he's ready to move on. There's so many personal factors that may affect him that you won't know about.

IMO you're setting yourself up for a fall. I doubt, especially since lockdown he's had much opportunity to speak about his DW. Men still don't feel able to talk to other men. Close friends and family will speak differently and have their own memories. He may not be able to be as open for the fear that it causes upset. You are a friend who he's able to speak to without breaking down. You have said yourself that he's given you no indication of romantic feelings towards you.

Being in a relationship with a widower brings new feelings to a relationship that you don't have with someone who is just divorced. I know I would find it very difficult being with someone who isn't ready emotionally to move forward completely.

I know my partner was like meat to the vultures and he was even hit on by married friends - properly propositioned. They probably all felt the same as you. He had a few short relationships before me and he ended them all because of the expectations of the women. I don't think my expectations are different but I do think when we met, he was properly ready to move on.

Remember, he's got others to consider, his DC's and maybe even a mil and fil. Even if he feels he's ready, they might not be ready to see him with someone new.

MaeveDidIt · 01/11/2020 10:06

@DontBlameMe79
You're far too full on and you need to back off.
You come across as a vulture and you're only thinking about yourself in this scenario.
I think with your very hard mindset you will fail without a doubt.

ancientgran · 01/11/2020 10:10

What is she doing that is full on? I have visions of her jumping on his desk and doing the dance of the 7 veils.

Pokerfaced · 01/11/2020 11:30

@ancientgran

What is she doing that is full on? I have visions of her jumping on his desk and doing the dance of the 7 veils.
Well, it would liven up the office considerably. Grin

What I don't like about this situation is twofold. I would feel quite betrayed if an apparently sympathetic platonic work colleague I'd felt able to talk to about my bereavement turned out to be only in it because he had a giant crush on me, saw me as suddenly available, and my grief as an opportunity, and was primarily concerned with making a move in case I coupled up again and he lost his chance.

I also think that someone who inserts him or herself into someone's life as a rescuer/supporter/shoulder to cry on/Good Samaritan when the other person is low, bereaved, ill, at a loss etc especially if what they want is an actual ongoing friendship or a relationship risks being moved on from when the person feels better, because the dynamic only works when there's a rescuer/soother and a 'victim'/person in need. The 'victim' recovers and looks around for someone who doesn't see him or her as a wounded person, and the 'rescuer' resents the hell out of it, because didn't they put in all the work and rescuing, and where's their thanks?

I think the OP, while well-meaning, is implicitly 'trading' two hours of listening to her crush talk for the hope of a sexual relationship with him down the line, and that could lead to all kinds of hurt and misunderstanding.

QuentinWinters · 01/11/2020 11:36

but before his loss we had so much chemistry when we were talking and the occasional little flirt from both of us
So little to no chemistry.
What? He was married. Maybe there was chemistry but he didn't act on it because hes not a cheat.
OP i agree with everyone else that its up to him what pace he wants to go at. But you could see him as a friend and see what happens. Or even tell him.how you feel. Its not like you're close friends now so if he knocks you back, at least you know and you haven't lost anything.
It could well be he also likes you but thinks he's too old/isn't confident with women etc. I'd go for it.

QuentinWinters · 01/11/2020 11:41

oh - I had similar feelings for my dp but we were both married so kept our distance. Then coincidentally ended up both splitting with partners within 3 months of each other. We got together very shortly after that and it is incredible. I love him deeply, and him me. It wasn't infatuation (which is what i thought for 10 years), it was love.

Just to counter all the "infatuation blah" going on here. My experience is very strong chemistry works both ways, because its all subconscious pheromones etc.

Good luck with the testing out! Hope it works out for you x

AnxMummy10 · 01/11/2020 11:50

OP it's so inappropriate that it is bordering on preying on his vulnerability. If you cant be just a friend then step away. I cant believe you would think this is reasonable so soon after a major loss to him. It really is not ok.

JinglingHellsBells · 01/11/2020 12:00

@QuentinWinters You come over here as lacking in emotional intelligence and empathy about this scenario.

FGS- this man's wife died suddenly in her 40s and he was devastated. That doesn't quite tie up with your own separation and divorce, does it?
He has adult kids in their early 20s who have lost their mum when no doubt they are vulnerable anyway- maybe lost their jobs etc due to Covid- who knows?

You cannot compare a divorce and a bereavement.

QuentinWinters · 01/11/2020 13:17

I think its ridiculous to speculate about what HE might be feeling and to tell op she is wrong and is just infatuated.

Lots of people do meet someone else quite soon after a bereavement. Its up to him if he's ready.

I'm not comparing divorce and bereavement, I'm trying to say to OP that maybe it isn't just an infatuation. I think she's being given a very hard time here for no good reason at all.

Bluntness100 · 01/11/2020 13:39

You’re not being predatory to stop other predators lol. You’re just jealous at the thought of him meeting someone else and you missing your chance.

Invite him round for dinner, or for a walk. See what he says op.

Krampusasbabysitter · 01/11/2020 13:43

OP, I feel for you and your loneliness but your interest and obsession with this man still feels mercenary and almost a little predatory. The death of his wife has devastated him but to you it mainly represents an opportunity and you are far too eager and impatient for this ‘nuisance’ of his grief to pass. You are so obsessed that you are lacking genuine empathy for his tragic loss.

JinglingHellsBells · 01/11/2020 14:08

I'm not comparing divorce and bereavement, I'm trying to say to OP that maybe it isn't just an infatuation.

Oh pleeeease. You surely aren't' saying that it's luuuurve?
She doesn't know the man other than as a colleague.

MushMonster · 01/11/2020 14:25

Firstly, you are far too involved in this and it has not even started yet! You need to slow down sharp! Too full on, total infactuation.
Secondly, show some empathy to the guy. You know him for a while, and he has trusted you to have a chat about how he is feeling after his wife's death. That is a good thing. Let him take time to heal, be a friend to him if he needs to talk. Show some care. And when and if he ever is ready, he will give the steps.
You are talling about him like he is a piece of shiny jewlery left in the middle of a field! Somebody else is going to take him......
He is not a price.

I hope you can get a grasp on yourself, calm a bit, and hopefully he will be interested too.

itsgettingcoldoutside · 01/11/2020 14:39

I think it's too soon.
And I think it's sad you are thinking of him that way, when he has opened up to you about his wife.
He clearly needs a friend right now. Don't jump on him so soon. Let things develop naturally or you may scare him off completely.

Bluntness100 · 01/11/2020 14:46

The issue here op is you write like his wife’s passing at such a young age just presents you with an opportunity, which is how I genuinely think you see it. You’re just waiting to see what’s a decent amount of time before you make your move as you don’t want to mess it up. In the mean time you’re terrified he will meet someone else.

He’s wealthy and successful and you see him as a prize to be grabbed. A possession. It’s distasteful the way it’s written. It’s not about predators seeing him with a target on his back, it’s that’s exactly how you see him. You’re also forecasting on how it will be once you get him and what your strategy will be to lure him in.

He’s never shown any interest in you that way, and an offer to talk will come across like thr sympathy vote. So to stop this fantasising why don’t you just invite him over for dinner to yours, or, as said, to meet for a walk one weekend, if he says no, you know where you stand. And can stand aside and let the other “predators” have at him.

Gettingmycoat · 01/11/2020 14:46

I don’t agree with the others. I think life is short. I think unfair things happen to good people (loss, bereavement, situations where your self esteem ends up repeatedly eroded) and sometimes the people who care less what others think, who understand the nature of opportunity and carpe diem, get what they want.

My suggestion of your approach OP would be to clearly state you have feelings for him, then draw a line under it. Say you do not expect him to reciprocate, you do not expect him to match your feelings, or any mutuality due to the situation he is in. That you realise it is unlikely and that you are very happy to continue being friends and colleagues and talking the same as you always have. But you just wanted to get it off your chest otherwise it was going to eat you up.

Bluntness100 · 01/11/2020 14:50

My suggestion of your approach OP would be to clearly state you have feelings for him, then draw a line under it. Say you do not expect him to reciprocate, you do not expect him to match your feelings, or any mutuality due to the situation he is in. That you realise it is unlikely and that you are very happy to continue being friends and colleagues and talking the same as you always have. But you just wanted to get it off your chest otherwise it was going to eat you up

Yes, do this, then come back and tell us how that went for you 😂

JinglingHellsBells · 01/11/2020 15:20

My suggestion of your approach OP would be to clearly state you have feelings for him, then draw a line under it.

Bloody hell.

The guy's wife has died suddenly in her 40s, then we've had lockdown, now lockdown again and some woman at work who's had a crush on him for years now sees her chance to bag him and declare her love before the other vultures get to him first.

Eastenders has nothing on Mumsnet. Grin

lilmishap · 01/11/2020 19:41

He was married. Maybe there was chemistry but he didn't act on it because hes not a cheat

How would OP know that? She admits she had a massive crush on him and there was 'occasional' flirting. That doesn't scream chemistry on both sides if anything it may indicate he enjoyed her company and a bit of a flirt OCCASIONALLY.

Nothing to do with cheating on anybody. What a bizarre leap to make.
Stop presuming this is you and your Mrs 2.0.

QuentinWinters · 01/11/2020 22:59

HmmConfused
OK then.....