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I’m dreading my husband coming home

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Goodbadanduglyyyy · 07/10/2020 20:14

My husband has been away since June working abroad. He is due home at the weekend.

He is a very clean person and likes things done in a particular way. Put it this way, the house looks like a show home when he is here. Every time he is away at work for a long period of time he always asks me, will the house be nice for me coming home?

The house is never untidy, but it’s his particular kind of clean and i just dread it. I’m literally on my hands and knees getting every skirting board, light switch, door handle cleaned and it takes days. We have 2 young kids and I also work.

He will ask at least once a week while he is away if the house will be nice for him and I just feel massive pressure to have it done. He says “all I ask for is a clean house, nothing else”. But it’s not a normal clean that he likes

I put my foot down last year, I only managed to do half of the house and told him I was exhausted with kids etc and that he would have to finish the rest if he wanted it done. He sulked and the following day he made us both do it and was ordering me around telling me what to clean and how to clean it.

I know this sounds ridiculous.. I just needed to get this off my chest Sad

OP posts:
Wherehavetheteletubbiesgone · 08/10/2020 16:45

To be honest perhaps he just has high standards and as long as he is participating 50:50 in the work then what's wrong with that? the sulking isn't required though and is a bit rubbish

MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 08/10/2020 16:46

I can imagine while he's away most of the time you don't feel the same pressure to do what needs to be done as you put it. I completely know how that feels. But then of course he's back and whining and for a short while it's hell again. All I can suggest is ease up on yourself. Do your prep while he's awake (copies of everything financial, getting really important docs like passports out of the house) and then see a solicitor. Then when you decide you've had enough you only need press the button.

In the meantime take a step back and be a little selfish. Get the cleaner (and he pays). Get a babysitter and see friends. Get some kind of life you enjoy going. Not just around the children but a social life. A support network. Friends. Fun. It might be tricky at the moment but you can go to a friends house or they can come to yours.

Let your children see you as a person with rights instead of a slave cleaning all the time. And do find a way to shut down his pathetic controlling behaviour whether that's leaving him with the kids the second he starts, or telling him not to be such a dick, or even tipping his dinner over him.

He's only some bloke you know. Not god. Not the clean home police. Not your employer. Just done twat that quite frankly needs to be put in his place.

Anurulz · 08/10/2020 16:48

@LindaEllen

Your husband has been away since June, which is four months - a third of a year! - and instead of counting down the minutes, you're dreading him coming home.

Doesn't that on its own tell you everything you need to know?

I can't help but agree.. if you are dreading your husband come home, it is a very loud signal there is a significant problem..
MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 08/10/2020 16:56

@MrsTerryPratchett

He's away for weeks on end, you think cheating, while you scrub the skirting boards, crying.

Small steps towards leaving him are achievable, even if the big step isn't right now.

Well said Mrs TP! He's not crying. Or scrubbing. He's giving out to his friends about how he's got you under his thumb but that you need 'directing'.

He's happy. He likes being the way he is with you. Because he thinks of you as his boring domestic servant. Stupid but useful and needs to be kept in line. Relationships don't work if one has contempt for the other and sees them as beneath them. You have to actually like and respect someone to want to be nice to them. If one of you is a smug, condescending tosser it tends to end badly.

Onlyonewayout · 08/10/2020 17:29

Oh OP I remember your last post. Is he in the forces? It’s worrying that after being away so much his first priority is the house. You’re essentially a single parent most of the time. Maintaining the house, working and parenting and he comes home and wants the house in A1 condition and wants you to cancel your hair appointment. When do you get time to relax? And now your dds are picking up on this. The relationship you have with her father are likely to go onto shape her future relationships. I think you know this isn’t right but maybe you need more time to think about leaving. Only you know your relationship but how is the rest of your marriage?

Arrivederla · 08/10/2020 18:10

[quote everythingbackbutyou]@VinylDetective, congratulations - you are this week's winner of the coveted "Wilfully missing the point" award.[/quote]
Exactly this.

VinylDetective · 08/10/2020 19:06

[quote everythingbackbutyou]@VinylDetective, congratulations - you are this week's winner of the coveted "Wilfully missing the point" award.[/quote]
I’m not alone, am I? Maybe some of us explore alternative solutions before moving directly to LTB?

Mum2jenny · 08/10/2020 20:46

Goodbadanduglyyyy you know you are setting a very bad example to your daughters. Please try to change your ways as you are going to screw them up totally and expect them to pander to men's whims. You need to stop doing this (at least when your dds see it!).
No man is worth this sort of shit. He wants it to a higher standard than you, he fucking does it or he pays good money to get it done. You are not his Slave! Go get a 🍸 or 🍷.

Comtesse · 08/10/2020 20:53

Ahhh OP this is dreadful. You don’t have to live like that. No one has to live like that.

What would happen if you clean to a reasonable standard and say “that’s enough for me”?

What would happen when he asks you to do more you say NO? What exactly would he do? How would it feel to disagree?

It’s taken you a long time to get to breaking point clearly. Most women would have told him to piss right off a long time ago (checklists! Photos! What a dickhead he must be). He owes you a lot - you don’t deserve to be put down like this.

BitOfFun · 08/10/2020 20:54

@MarriedtoDaveGrohl

I can imagine while he's away most of the time you don't feel the same pressure to do what needs to be done as you put it. I completely know how that feels. But then of course he's back and whining and for a short while it's hell again. All I can suggest is ease up on yourself. Do your prep while he's awake (copies of everything financial, getting really important docs like passports out of the house) and then see a solicitor. Then when you decide you've had enough you only need press the button.

In the meantime take a step back and be a little selfish. Get the cleaner (and he pays). Get a babysitter and see friends. Get some kind of life you enjoy going. Not just around the children but a social life. A support network. Friends. Fun. It might be tricky at the moment but you can go to a friends house or they can come to yours.

Let your children see you as a person with rights instead of a slave cleaning all the time. And do find a way to shut down his pathetic controlling behaviour whether that's leaving him with the kids the second he starts, or telling him not to be such a dick, or even tipping his dinner over him.

He's only some bloke you know. Not god. Not the clean home police. Not your employer. Just done twat that quite frankly needs to be put in his place.

This is a brilliant post (although I wouldn't recommend tipping his dinner over him!).
Cantbreathe2020 · 08/10/2020 21:07

Who else had Geoff from Corrie spring to mind?

Giraffey1 · 08/10/2020 21:16

OP it feels from your posts as if you are moving towards the inexorable conclusion that you can’t go on like this. Whatever you say, it is clear you are afraid of him, afraid of his reaction, unhappy at the way you have become conditioned to respond to him and placate him at every turn. You don’t look forward to his return home and are worried about how this is impacting on your children.

Do you have any friends you can talk to about this in real life? A trusted colleagues? Does your workplace offer any counselling / confidential helpline services? I really encourage you to use these, explore every avenue. You need to find the strength to stand up to this bully and break out of the straitjacket he has tied you in.

Once you begin to slip free, taking bigger steps towards having your own life that is isn’t controlled by this man will not only seem not only desirable, but possible.

everythingbackbutyou · 08/10/2020 21:20

@VinylDetective, true, but I have been in a similar position. I found that, after considering alternative solutions for many years, LTB was the most effective solution. Anything that has a person dreading their husband finding them lacking in any way is abusive. @Goodbadanduglyyyy, do you find that no matter how hard/thoroughly you scrub and clean, he will ALWAYS manage to find something you haven't done 'right'?

jojojoeyjojo · 08/10/2020 21:43

This is such a sad thread. Life is precious and short...do you really want to be on your death bed looking back over your life and all you can say you've done is endless cleaning to assuage a possibly cheating man Confused

MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 08/10/2020 23:15

I had an ex colleague who picked holes in everything I did. I managed to get long periods without his shit by wfh and otherwise ignoring him. Then I'd have to have contact and off he would go.

So I picked a good solicitor and got rid of him. Best thing I ever did.

OP there is a limit to how long you can contain these people. Even if you stick up for yourself they will still be pricks and if they know you are leaving will be nice for a few days/weeks. Before reverting to type.

Antonov · 09/10/2020 03:06

Do your prep while he's awake (copies of everything financial, getting really important docs like passports out of the house) and then see a solicitor. Then when you decide you've had enough you only need press the button.

Well at least then he cannot moan that he has been taken to the cleaners........Grin

ulanbatorismynextstop · 09/10/2020 04:28

This....

This is such a sad thread. Life is precious and short...do you really want to be on your death bed looking back over your life and all you can say you've done is endless cleaning to assuage a possibly cheating man

waitrosetrollydolly · 09/10/2020 05:29

Well at least then he cannot moan that he has been taken to the cleaners........*

Tee hee !!*

mathanxiety · 09/10/2020 06:10

"OP has already said that a cleaning company wouldn't do it to his standards."

Xpost - I think that’s unlikely - depends on the company and the brief. A good company can do it to any standard.
@TatianaBis (and others) -

The cleaning company idea misses the point. The clue as to what is really going on is the OP's comment that he wouldn't be satisfied with any job cleaners could do.

The H isn't bothered at all by the state of the house. No cleaning effort on anyone's part - except his mother's - will ever be satisfactory, because the aim of the H's game is to always criticise, not to end up with a clean house.
The state of the house is just something handy that he has weaponised against the OP.

The point is not to get the house clean. He doesn't care about the house. He has two items in his agenda:

1 - It is vital from his pov to always have something to criticise the OP for, something to use to keep her feeling small and anxious all the time, something to remind her that the H is in a position of authority over her, and keep the OP on the back foot at all times, anxious, but at the same time optimistic that she will one day meet with his approval.

This is the trap laid by all abusers. The other side of the abuse coin, the role of the victim in the dynamic, is the toxic optimism on her part in response to the bait set out, optimism that one day she will finally get it 'right' and the abuser will finally approve of her. The OP believes deep down that there is a right way, that the goalposts will never be moved, and that trying really hard will result in approval and appreciation from her H. It's a chimera based on the false assumption that this man cares about the house.

2 - I suspect he also cares very much about showing his mother that he is on the same page as her, focused on the same preoccupation, and is willing to allow his mother into his house to participate in the shaming of the OP. This is a triangular relationship and his mother is probably only too happy to join forces with the H against the wife.

Ultimately, what keeps the OP in this very unhealthy relationship is a deep fear, not necessarily of her H, but of something else. YY to @Songsofexperience.

@Goodbadanduglyyyy, you need to sit yourself down and ask yourself what your deepest fear is.
Being alone?
Shame associated with failure?
Humiliation?
You need to name and face this fear or you will always be inclined to give away your power.
You will always ask, 'How high?' when someone says, "Jump!" instead of the retort, 'Who do you think you are, telling me to jump?'

Goodbadanduglyyyy · 09/10/2020 07:24

I’ve never really sat and thought about my fears.

Being alone isn’t one of them, I cope fine on my own but it’s the thought of being single. I was 18 when we met and he was 27, I’m now late twenties. He’s the only person I’ve been with in a very long time, I also don’t have much confidence either so I don’t know who would want me, or if I would ever find someone. I don’t live in a big city.

My fear is hurting him for example splitting up, but I don’t know why that’s my fear. I’m not scared of him, so I’m confused about that too.

I should probably add that all the times he comes home from work and the house is absolutely immaculate he doesn’t even mention it. He will mention it weekly while he away and not a peep about it when he comes home, I find that odd.

OP posts:
TwilightSkies · 09/10/2020 07:27

Being alone isn’t one of them, I cope fine on my own but it’s the thought of being single.

Not scared of being alone, but scared of being single? What’s the difference?
What you are in now is not even a relationship. How would it be any worse to not be in it anymore?

Let me tell you, but single is fucking fantastic! No one to answer to, your home becomes a sanctuary, freedom to live how you want....

Quartz2208 · 09/10/2020 07:29

It isnt odd because it isnt about the cleaning - it is about making sure that while he is away you dont have the headspace to think about anything else. It is a very good tactic at keeping you in line and in control.

Your age when you met and the age gap is not a surprise and further adds to the whole package of him being in control.

I suspect that it is to stop you wondering or questioning what he is up to (you said you wondered about affairs) by making that the focus of conversations (and one assumes to stop you doing it too)

Having read mathanxiety post she sums it up very well

Quartz2208 · 09/10/2020 07:32

And he also has chosen the house to weaponise - something you cannot escape from so the state of it and how clean it is is always in the forefront of your mind. He is always there

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/10/2020 07:41

He has you controlled from afar now and there were likely many red flags when you were dating too. He targeted you and deliberately so, you were 18 and had no
life experience behind you. Perhaps also your home life as well was not ideal and you were in a low place yourself. This would have also made you even more attractive to him. He saw your circumstances and decided to exploit and otherwise control you for his own ends.

Livandme · 09/10/2020 07:42

Does he clean the house when he's home?
I'm guessing he doesn't.

Does he muck in with jobs that need doing or expect you to do them all?
He sounds controlling and abusive.

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