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Feel like husband doesnt care. 2.

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Chickencuddle · 28/09/2020 13:48

Continuing from other thread.

I have recieved an email from womens aid lady. She said she thinks it's definitely abuse. She will ring me later to arrange a meet up to discuss options. I've told her I want to leave. She said she will help me.

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Catmaiden · 07/01/2021 00:10

Well done!

Chickencuddle · 07/01/2021 08:37

She was still worried after kept saying "what if you go to college next week and he throws them out again. What if he does it when you go for a shower." Etc
Felt so bad for her.
But she has woken up this morning like it never happened. Happy and carefree.

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Catmaiden · 07/01/2021 08:42

I'm sorry, but you are deluding yourself if you think she thinks "it never happened" Abuse like that leaves lasting, deep scars. Good you are getting them , and you, out asap.

Chickencuddle · 07/01/2021 08:44

I said she woke up this morning like it never happened I never thought for one second that she actually thought that...just that she is acting that way and it amazes me.

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Quartz2208 · 07/01/2021 08:50

She has to though OP - what else can she do other than bottle it up. She isnt really happy and carefree its just her defence mechanism. If she does anything else she knows full well he would come down on her hard so she needs to make him believe she is ok.

She is handling him like you do OP by making it seem as if it is all ok. BEcause what else can she do.

She will be so much better off out of this environment. I hope it really made you realise that it is better for all

and this was telling

The reason he is ok with ds is that he is quite quiet and compliant.

6 year old boys are for the most part not naturally like that OP. At least not the ones that I know. He has been browbeaten into this.

Do you feel safe to be able to call the police if it kicks of?

Yellowswan · 07/01/2021 09:40

Hi @Chickencuddle

Firstly, I’m so sorry that this is happening to you and your children.
I have been following this thread but not commented as I think you are already getting some great advice and support from those that have.
I am a child protection social worker, I’m not here to judge, but after reading your last post I wanted to give you some safety advice. I understand you have made plans to leave but you are completely stuck currently. I cannot stress enough the importance of following through with your plan to leave, your children are suffering emotional abuse and there is no doubt in my mind that they will all have been profoundly affected by their experiences, even if it is not evident in the younger ones yet. Also, it is not your fault, it sounds like you are doing all you can but there comes a point where that just won’t be enough to combat the impact. I think someone said earlier in the thread, if you don’t get your children out, it may be taken out of your hands. If your children start to talk in school and social care become involved, it is highly likely that they will assess that they need to be out of the situation immediately. I can honestly say they would do everything they could to keep you with your children, but there would be no ifs and buts about the harm they are suffering. I’m really not saying that wanting to scare you, but that’s the reality.
It sounds like to are coming to this realisation yourself and considering your traumatic history, it is to your huge credit that you can do this. You need to stay strong now, no more doubts.

Anyway, what really compelled me to write after your last post was your dd. My strong advice would be that while you are waiting to leave, under no circumstances should your children be left alone with your partner. I appreciate that may make things tricky, but it’s for their safety. He cannot be left to emotionally abuse your dd like that again, she will be feeling terrified, anxious and confused. So for the next few days, no matter what it takes, you must be with them all the time.

I’m so sorry that you don’t have anyone irl that can support you, you need it more than ever right now. But keep posting, keep talking to your support worker, and if you or the children are in real danger, don’t hesitate to contact police, I promise that services will help you, listen to you and believe you, no proof required x

Chickencuddle · 07/01/2021 09:51

Yelloswan thank you so much. Your post doesnt scare me indacr I almost cried in relief reading that. Because throughout the last few years I have been told I'm too soft and he parents the right way and I dont. I doubt myself and in situations like last night I stand up for what I believe is right but always doubt myself and reading quartz comment before I thought "no way the police wouldnt be interested in that they would laugh at me" i was thinking about when i tell someone everything that's been happening. I was thinking people will think I'm being silly and petty and people will be looking at me like I'm making a big deal out of something small. But reading that post really helps thank you so much. I could actually cry in sadness for the kids but also in relief that I'm not being silly and this feeling is valid. I'm also angry.
I hope dd will talk to someone about it when we leave. But obviously I wont push her. I dont know if I should even tell her to tell someone perhaps it should be on her terms?

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ReallySpicyCurry · 07/01/2021 09:52

OP Flowers

That is a brilliant post from Yellowswan, though I'm sure it's hard for you to read. But at the same time, reassuring that your husband's behaviour is indeed abusive, that he's not a good father to the children, and that you are absolutely making the right decision to leave.

The situation with the refuges is so crap, it really is, but you were absolutely right to email WA lady and tell her things were bad again. Keep doing that if necessary.

One day your children are going to be adults, and they'll tell people about how strong their mother is, that she took them to a refuge in the middle of the biggest pandemic for a century, and that she built a new, safe, and good life for them. I know how much you love and cherish your children, so in some ways that's half the job done - now you need to get to a place of safety where you all can flourish

Chickencuddle · 07/01/2021 09:54

He left for work an hour ago and since then it's like she has crashed. She is on the couch under a duvet. Says she feels sick. Dont know if she does or if she is just exhausted from yesterday. I said to her "sometimes of we are worried about something we can feel sick. Are you worrying about anything?" She said no.
Sp unlike her
If you knew her you would know she rarely stays still. Rarely will sit and watch tv unless it's the end of the day and she is exhausted and even then she will be playing with the cats at the same time or doing handstands.

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ReallySpicyCurry · 07/01/2021 09:54

I'm also glad you're angry. You should be angry. You should be absolutely furious about how he has treated you and the kids.

ReallySpicyCurry · 07/01/2021 09:56

He's away, she is safe, so she isn't living on her nerves and having to worry about doing something wrong any more.

It's an adrenalin crash. Lots of cuddles and reassurance.

JarvisCockersLeftEyebrow · 07/01/2021 09:57

Agree with @Yellowswan, you need to act right now. I understand that the refuge isn’t open, but you can’t leave this any longer. You’ll need a different plan. If I were you I’d call the police while he’s at work for advice. You need to put your poor kids first. You can’t keep them safe from him, this isn’t fair.

Chickencuddle · 07/01/2021 10:02

I dont feel safe phoning police. Police were involved when I was at home as a child and it made everything worse as I was at home whe they were conducting investigations. It was the worst worst time ever. He is working long hours until Sunday. He wont be with the kids at all as they will he sleeping when he gets home. Sunday is the only day together then I will know Monday.
The plan to go to the refuge feels safe. (Kind of.) Still scared he will walk in while I'm packing the car but that's why I need to plan and check his diary etc

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Quartz2208 · 07/01/2021 10:03

Do Northern Ireland have the 101 logging process where you can log it and at least get it down. You dont have to do anything further than simply let them know and then you become a priority address.

JarvisCockersLeftEyebrow · 07/01/2021 10:09

Things are different now. I work with the police through my job, and I really would call them today. Your daughter is not safe. The police should be able to help you sort out a refuge space too. I really wouldn’t leave it until next week.

Chickencuddle · 07/01/2021 10:32

I'm not leaving it until next week because I want to. The refuge is not open. None of them are around here. But hopefully will be soon. I trust my support worker. So I'm sorry but thats just how I feel I need to do it right now. Like I say he wont be around the kids until sunday. One day. I will be there. Then hopefully go next week. If on monday support worker says it's still not going to be open for a few weeks I will ask if theres anything else I can do as I'm desperate

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Quartz2208 · 07/01/2021 10:50

PLease at least log it with the police. You have for too long I think let your own horrific experiences blind you to how awful he is. This isnt kist about you now its about your daughter.

www.psni.police.uk/contact-us/

Shows that you can log it with 101. If you can. This means that if it does kick off they will know the background and come out.

MuckyPlucky · 07/01/2021 10:57

@Chickencuddle Hi. I’ve just spent this morning reading this full thread from start to finish and whilst I’d usually feel I had little of value to add to something like this I couldn’t possibly not contact you after reading all of your posts.

You absolutely SHINE out as a mother. I’m truly gob-smacked by what a nurturing, thoughtful parent you sound. I would honestly give my eye teeth to be as patient, supportive and good a mother as you are to your children. Given your own awful childhood this is even more incredible that you must just naturally have this in you.

Perhaps it’s for the same reason that you’ve put up with so much taunting, abuse and bullying yourself, in a desire to protect your children from the ‘dysfunction’ and trauma of upending their lives? I can hear in your posts how deeply and fiercely you care for them and how badly you want them to have stability & consistency. I think you’re worried you’ll blame yourself if you uproot them etc?

I’ve never been through what you’re going through, but did put up with an unhappy marriage to a tightly-controlling, easily-angered exH for many years due to my own guilt at the thoughts of tearing my children’s lives apart- the thought of it used to physically paralyse me with guilt and fear. As a result, I was on eggshells, the kids were on eggshells, I was deeply clinically depressed, the kids were quite anxious, and I was constantly playing ‘peacemaker’. I thought that’s what I had to do as their mother to make things ok. Eventually I just couldn’t continue. I don’t know what gave me the final push to end it but getting the words out and taking action to end the marriage was the scariest but bravest thing I’ve ever done. In my case, there wasn’t tangible abuse so I didn’t explore refuges, and my ex took it fairly ok until one night when he’d been drinking and started punching windows and trashing the house- blood everywhere, threatening me... urgh. And STILL I didn’t throw him out. But the next day I secretly got all our passports/bank statements etc to my car for safe keeping, rang a solicitor & instigated divorce on grounds of unreasonable behaviour.

Anyway, that’s a separate story and I know you’re in a much more tricky situation. But I guess the parallel I can see here is that it’s your deep worry and guilt about your children that’s been holding you back from being free of him. I can TOTALLY identify with that, and can understand that. It’s because you’re desperate to avoid hurting them and causing them any trauma.

It’s only now that I’m 3 years down the line and have a calm quiet safe home and happy, secure and more relaxed children that I can see that upheaval for them was worth it, as it was actually traumatising them being in such a conflict-filled house previously. Don’t get me wrong- the initial shock was hard for them and I’ve had extensive therapy to deal with my guilt around that, but I’m starting to see that I did it for the right reasons and I’m starting to see that they’re flourishing now as a result. They still go to their dads but luckily he has a new partner who keeps his temper in check and mediates between them and is a good influence. And when they’re here they know they’re safe, calm & secure. My son (10) said to me the other day as he was going to bed: “we can’t misbehave at daddy’s but I feel happy here and like I can be myself which is why we’re sometimes a bit naughty”. I told him I took that as the highest complement (and I meant it).

Ultimately, all your DC’s need is your constancy, warmth and security. As they grow they’ll thank you for your strength and unconditional love, and will understand why you had to leave to create a calmer home for all concerned.

I wish you all the very best and I’m certain you can do this. You’ve really got your head screwed on despite almost intolerable circumstances & no support. I’m genuinely in awe of you. Flowers

Yellowswan · 07/01/2021 12:20

Everything that @MuckyPlucky just said 👏

I just wanted to respond about what you said earlier about you being told you’re too soft. That is absolutely not the case. You are loving and nurturing and as said above, given your history, your abilities as a mum are quite remarkable.

I’m sure there is a sense of being extra sensitive to your children due to your awareness of the responses they receive from their dad and because of that you compensate. But that is what’s right, that’s exactly what they need right now. Nurture and love that is consistent and predictable. Don’t worry at all about instilling routine and boundaries at this point, that can all come later, just lost of reassurance and affection is what they need.

Glad to hear that your partner is at work for the next few days, it will make things much easier. Use the time to get together what you need to, if you can safely.

LannieDuck · 07/01/2021 13:09

Keeping everything crossed for you for Monday. Another adding my voice that he's emotionally abusing his children.

dublingirl66 · 07/01/2021 13:57

I think you def shine as a caring mother
I echo what many others say

What a hard stressful time for you

Best wishes ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Chickencuddle · 07/01/2021 17:10

Thank you so much everyone
Mucktplucky thanks so much for sharing. Glad you got your peaceful ending.
Utterly exhausted today. Everyone. So many tears. Over tiny things. If someone is crying I go to them...then the other person will say "you're loving them more than me."
They have never been like this until recently. Hope they arent picking up on my mood.
He phoned before to tell my about s few people he knows from school who have been sent to prison for indecent images and one for harassing young girls. Another for threatening his girlfriend. He was disgusted my it and angry.
I felt so uncomfortable and dont know why really

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Catmaiden · 07/01/2021 18:16

Because he knows, somewhere deep down, that what he does is just as bad, and it makes him feel uncomfortable, at some level.

After all, he sees himself as a"good guy", "not like that" and yet... he rapes and abuses his wife, and terrifies his children.

Those two things can't compute in his head, so he'll look to blame someone else.

He also possibly recognises that your attitude towards him is changing (abusers have a sixth sense for this, unfortunately)

Be warned, he may seek to move his feelings of discomfort out and away from himself, possibly onto you and/or the children

(not wanting to frighten you, but it is what abusers do, hence why the time leading up to when survivors are planning to leave, is the risky time)

Stay calm, you can do this, you'll be out soon. But if in doubt, please call the police.

ReallySpicyCurry · 07/01/2021 18:50

Yes, it's deflection isn't it

It's like those men who go take part in those vigilante groups that go after paedophiles, and who are never done talking loudly about their hatred for them. Next thing you know, they're caught themselves.

Shout loudly about how awful something is, and hopefully nobody will notice what you yourself are up to

billy1966 · 07/01/2021 19:16

OP,
He knows absolutely what he is doing is wrong.
He is hearing that others are being held to account.
He is deliberately telling you that HE is appalled.
He is trying to put some distance between what he does to you everday, and them.

He knows very well that he is wrong and now he feels a bit nervous.
He may well sense that you are pulling away.

Abusers are very sensitive to their victims asserting themselves, however subtlety.

He knows he is wrong.

Your children are victims of repeatedly being horrifically abused by him emotionally.

Please don't minimise this.
Please tell the TRUTH to the woman in the refuge.

Your children are being HORRIFICALLY ABUSED.

They are displaying all the symptoms of awful, prolonged trauma.

Please use what you can clearly see as fuel to push for the support your children and yourself need.
Flowers