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95 percent Jekyll, 5 percent Hyde...to leave or not?

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Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 08:40

I’ve nc for this.
If my partner was an overbearing man on a daily basis this would be so much easier...most of the time, his most obvious character trait is how quiet and shy he is. He has had long bouts of social anxiety throughout his life (He also has ED which he told me started in his 20s...he’s late 30s now) and most people would think he was a gentle person. He is gentle at home too and we get on very well on a day to day basis...if it wasn’t for his actions during his Mr Hyde periods...which I find hard to forgive, I would go as far as to say we will well suited....he doesn’t control what I do or who I see in any way, doesn’t dictate what I wear or my interests. I don’t walk on egg shells on a daily basis. To the outside world he appears like the ideal partner and most of the time, he is.

However, he has (or had) a dark side. I know this isn’t unusual in abusers ...I know most of them don’t waltz about in tee-shirts with ‘abuser’ on the front, swigging stella and swinging blows...but my problem is the abusive actions are so rare...and his split personality is so unevenly balanced, with ‘normal’ and ‘nice’ forming so much of his make-up that my head is screwed.

A few years back he behaved quite badly when drunk in front of his long-term friends and exposed his nasty side...possibly for the first time ever in front of them. He is normally very quiet but had had stress at work and was also feeling aggrieved that his friends were on high salaries while his, while over the national average and perfectly respectable, wasn’t comparable. When someone mentioned their own high wage he just blew up...basically saying they didn’t deserve what they were paid and making a scene. He later told he me wasn’t jealous...just that the fact everyone else found career progression easy and he didn’t, frustrating...and he was also steaming drunk. I believed this outburst was a one off because his friends have known him 20 years and all remarked this was the first incidence of anything like this. I don’t think the outburst came from a place of spite more feelings of in adequacy. However, seeing this, on the spur of the moment I told him I wanted to leave him partly because when he stomped out after his outburst his friends also told me about him cheating on his ex-wife. When we met he told me he was divorced due to an affair...I didn’t quiz him on this, he volunteered it and while he told me he was to blame, I hadn’t realised quite how much he had disrespected his wife ...basically he’d told me that the affair was a one off over a few months and he’d never done anything like that before. His friends told me however, that he’d cheated on her with two people. It wasn’t this that made me want to leave him but disgust I suppose, that he’d sounded so believable when he’d told me how much of a saint he’s been in the marriage apart from the affair...I hadn’t probed...it wasn’t a situation where he’d been forced to lie. When everything had calmed down I began to appreciate how his anxiety and frustration led to him being so nasty to his friend...not great, but a first time offence in a life-time of being placid and given how drunk he was..these things do happen I suppose. However, instead of feeling mortified and apologising to his friends the next day as most people would...once I’d told him I was leaving him, he decided to use me as cannon fodder. In his anxious mind, under the impression I was leaving he now had no girlfriend and possibly no friends either (this wouldn’t have been the case, they would have forgiven and forgotten...but his anxious paranoia and hungover brain didn’t see it that way) so he decided to invent a story about me to divert attention from his outburst. Basically informing his friend I’d badmouthed them...I hadn’t...in fact I’d told him off for being nasty to them...but he thought that I was leaving and these people would never see me again. I didn’t find out for months and when I did, it seemed to me the most bizarre thing I’d ever heard of...and childish...like a toddler caught with chocolate around his mouth denying eating any and pointing his finger at the innocent child next to saying ‘she did it’. He is an exceptionally childlike person but not normally in a way that hurts other people.

Anyway, when I got upset about finding out about what he’d done I admit I called him a coward...I said he’d behaved like a pre-teen girl and demanded he correct his lies. Which he did...sort of. He later said this caused him ‘stress’ . So much stress that a few weeks later, after drinking again he physically attacked me...I know being drunk is absolutely no excuse but I only mention it because he no longer drinks`to excess and hasn’t for a couple of years). It was a very serious assault and it was only through luck that I didn’t die. A stronger person would have left then but I didn’t....I can make all the excuses under the sun, that I was far away from all my family and friends, had financial worries, that he gaslighted me as did his parents, that I thought I’d be blamed because I’d ‘nagged’ him, the shock (I had a head injury) and while all these are true, the fact I stayed is my fault..no one else’s. I do think ether was some trauma bonding for sure...but he didn’t lock me up and force me to stay. I made that decision and I know it’s not a commendable one.

I think I was in shock for a couple of years. After the assault I started having problems with sleep until I was only getting a few hours...gradually I became like a zombie. I wandered around in this state for a few years until I got proper counselling and was diagnosed with ptsd. During this time he has ‘grown up’ he says he knows he has treated me and his ex wife badly. That he is not that person anymore..he no longer drinks to give himself confidence in social situations ...he mostly behaves like the perfect human being and I believe he has changed.

But I suppose it’s like trying to forgive an affair...the resentment (not surprisingly) can linger long after the event. My therapist and the friends I have now think I should leave now I’ve woken up to what happened but it’s hard...he has these two sides to him and the one that is ‘current’ is the nice side...I find it hard to get my head straight re my feelings for someone who is only abusive once every few years. I almost wish he was abusive more often as I would have left long ago. I’m not sure what I’m asking for really...maybe just a handhold. I should also mention, we have no children and sorry..I hadn’t realised I’d written so much.

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Houserabbit · 04/10/2020 11:14

It was just like in my case...I saw an advert for a meet-up for people who wfh (this was pre-Covid so it wasn’t so common) by chance the location was 5 minutes walk away..I don’t think I would have managed it otherwise...I was luckier still in that there were some wonderful women there that became close friends and whom eventually, I was able to tell. I nearly didn’t go that day and in retrospect, that scares me.

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MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 04/10/2020 11:39

Don't be surprised by the level of your PTSD. I'm not sure what you think would cause serious PTSD but is there anything more serious than someone trying to kill you? And being around them afterward? Apart from combat but that's not personal.

It's a massive massive headfuck. Do not for one second think you are weak or this isn't warranted. It is. Your denial is still in place, still protecting you, slipping away slowly - but still there. When you are safe enough for it to go completely it's going to be very very difficult. You're not ready to face how serious this is and that's probably your brain protecting you - but be ready to act quickly when it gets bad.

Maybe you are relying on your current therapist (who sounds amazing) but that's going to be a very long and hard road on its own. Don't give her up - but if it's your only treatment it will be a struggle.

I got one of these a while ago and they do work. Just remembered they are effective for PTSD too. £500 or you can pay them off.
www.alpha-stim.com/consider-cranial-electrotherapy-stimulation-patients-ptsd/

An older article from a good source. The FDA didn't manage to get it closed down www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/invisible-wounds/201208/one-ptsd-treatment-tool-risk%3famp

MotherMood · 07/10/2020 20:04

He sounds like a very dangerous sociopathic covert narc. Chris Watts - murdered his wife and two little girls - is one. Live Abuse Free has some fascinating analysis on YouTube.

Well done for leaving.

tsmainsqueeze · 07/10/2020 23:34

This is one of the most chilling threads i have ever read.
It doesn't matter what mental issues this man has, there is no excuse ever for his behaviour, he sounds pure evil .
I can't begin to imagine the fear you felt during the attack.
I hope no other woman is on the receiving end of this monster and i truly hope you don't feel sorry for him and go back.
Please don't make any excuses for him.

PostItJoyWeek · 07/10/2020 23:51

I was very surprised I got ptsd to such a level.
Someone tried to murder you, then you had to live in a house with that person for three years. You would be weird to not get PTSD to that level. It's the kind of thing that is in horror movies.

BritInAus · 08/10/2020 01:42

Couldn't read and not post. OP, I am more pleased than you could imagine that you have got away from this monster.

You are important, your feelings are valid, you are worthy of a safe, happy and peaceful life. I wish all good things for you x

Houserabbit · 08/10/2020 05:37

I know it sounds a bit trite but people taking the time to reply to this thread really helped save me....their posts made a genuine difference ...even I can see in my original post that I was wavering. Had I not got So much support so quickly and through that, clarity, I’m not sure what would have happened.

For the first few days alone, my sleeping started to improve...which shocked me...therapist said it would happen but I somehow didn’t believe her. Then, probably due to backlog of lack of sleep for so many years plus stress I managed to fall down the stairs. Well, through the stairs in fact, as they are open on one side and I fell five or six feet down onto the kitchen floor below hitting a step ladder I’d left in the kitchen on my way down. My fall was just out of shot of the security camera which is a shame as even people with ptsd can laugh sometimes and it must have looked quite amusing. However, I got quite badly hurt and bizarrely seem to have bruised and scraped my body on multiple sides....I was very lucky not break any bones but am still hobbling about a week later. I think the fall triggered me...the last time I had bruises to my leg this large and felt this physically decrepit was when he kicked me multiple times in a moderate attack a year or so prior to the more serious assault...seeing my bruises when I’m in the bath makes me think not of my my stupid fall but of him hurting me. Also, lying on the floor finding it difficult to move must have reminded me of my position after the big assault I suppose. It’s a bit of a setback as I was so exited to be feeling better..the sleep I got in the first few days was like winning the lottery ..now I feel about 112 again hobbling about and a bit defeated.

I think the part of the reason I was ‘gaslighted’ (whether intentional or not) was because the violence was so sporadic. Also when I looked online my ‘case’ didn’t seem to mirror any of the examples of abuse I read about....he didn’t isolate me (he didn’t need to..I had isolated myself) he didn’t dictate my spending, didn’t dictate what I wore, didn’t shout and swear at me on a daily or even monthly basis.

Maybe men who dish out the most serious violence are more sporadic...maybe they are a different breed from bog (many sound like they just crawled out of one so are no better) standard abusers.

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Houserabbit · 08/10/2020 05:55

Also (and I know I should be blaming only him for his actions and no one else) but I do think overprotective parents who infantilise their adult sons have a lot to answer for...I’m not talking Mums who think their sons are Gods gift in a harmless loving way but parents who know their son may have treated others badly and sweep it under the carpet to avoid ‘stressing’ him or to keep up the veneer of respectability. I think at best it results in frustrated, unhappy adults who don’t reach their full potential and at worst, cases like mine. There was a case a few years back of a spoiled man/boy who killed his young model girlfriend ...i think his parents were both retired police actually..they tried to help him escape blame by saying she had died accidentally..I can’t can’t remember, but I think they were convicted in the end due to a covert recording. Disgusting.

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Houserabbit · 08/10/2020 06:34

It was this case www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-18733240

It’s not just the destruction of evidence, but that the parents probably helped create this monster in the first place...whether inadvertently or not.

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S00LA · 08/10/2020 08:47

I’m sorry to hear about your accident - please tell me you’ve seen a doctor about this ?

Are your friends being supportive ?

Have you managed to arrange counselling for yourself, from someone who has experience in domestic violence ? Have you enrolled on the freedom programme ?

I think it would really help you. You are still flailing about, trying to find anyone to blame except your ex for his violence - First it was your fault and now It’s his parents . You really need professional help with this, otherwise you are very likely to go back to him or move on to another a abusive man, just a different type.

rumred · 08/10/2020 08:47

Hi @Houserabbit so glad you are doing well, despite the fall. That sounds scary.
You come across as a brave intelligent woman and I'm so pleased mn has yet again been a source of support. It has been for me too.
Look after yourself and I'm sure the sleep and relief will come back.

MuthaFunka61 · 08/10/2020 11:10

@Houserabbit.
I've read your story with horror and recognition,I'm so pleased you're safe now.

What is standing out is that you're being critical of yourself and still neglecting to properly care for yourself - when you fell through the stairs is a striking example of this.
I've not read the full thread but have read your posts and I'm taking it that you're still working with your therapist and I'm strongly suggesting that you speak with your therapist about this.

I know from experience that we only truly heal from past DV when we recognise where we're repeating patterns of neglect and learn to take care of ourselves as the precious human being we are.

Well done in all you've achieved so far,it's not easy and you've done amazingly well.
Flowers

Houserabbit · 08/10/2020 11:28

I’m so fortunate to have my therapist. I’m also going to try and get emdr at some point. I will need an mri to rule out brain injury as a cause of the stutter but I’m pretty sure it’s due to the ptsd and tiredness...it varies according to who I’m speaking to and what I’m speaking about, so likely ptsd related. If anyone who knew me before learned I had a problem speaking they would be shocked ...I was always a great talker.

I had a good therapist prior to the one I have now..she just wasn’t as ‘proactive’ though possibly without her help I wouldn’t have been so open to the methods of the lady I see now. I am lucky I can afford therapy (just about, because it does mount up and I’ve lost a lot of earnings in the last few years). I worry for the people who don’t have access to decent therapists...I would expect the cost of my therapy to run into 1000’s even though my therapist isn’t expensive relative to many, numerous sessions plus other treatments become expensive and I know I’ll need therapy for months and months ..possibly longer. It’s not fair, basically...I know people can get help through the NHS but it’s a long wait.

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Sssloou · 09/10/2020 11:45

I am so sorry to hear about your fall - you didn’t need this on top of what you have already been through and what you have achieved. If possible try to see it as a one off random accident (and get the railings sorted) rather than catastrophising and knitting it all back into earlier events. It’s common to do with PTSD but recovery is about seeing the clear separation of the “here and now” than the “then and there”.

That’s the theory - I know in practice it is v different.

Summerhillsquare · 09/10/2020 17:17

Look up Dr Jessica Taylor, a feminist psychologist specialising in abuse of women. Just this week she was posting about her 'old' DV injuries flaring up, so don't be hard on yourself, your recovery will take time.

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