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95 percent Jekyll, 5 percent Hyde...to leave or not?

166 replies

Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 08:40

I’ve nc for this.
If my partner was an overbearing man on a daily basis this would be so much easier...most of the time, his most obvious character trait is how quiet and shy he is. He has had long bouts of social anxiety throughout his life (He also has ED which he told me started in his 20s...he’s late 30s now) and most people would think he was a gentle person. He is gentle at home too and we get on very well on a day to day basis...if it wasn’t for his actions during his Mr Hyde periods...which I find hard to forgive, I would go as far as to say we will well suited....he doesn’t control what I do or who I see in any way, doesn’t dictate what I wear or my interests. I don’t walk on egg shells on a daily basis. To the outside world he appears like the ideal partner and most of the time, he is.

However, he has (or had) a dark side. I know this isn’t unusual in abusers ...I know most of them don’t waltz about in tee-shirts with ‘abuser’ on the front, swigging stella and swinging blows...but my problem is the abusive actions are so rare...and his split personality is so unevenly balanced, with ‘normal’ and ‘nice’ forming so much of his make-up that my head is screwed.

A few years back he behaved quite badly when drunk in front of his long-term friends and exposed his nasty side...possibly for the first time ever in front of them. He is normally very quiet but had had stress at work and was also feeling aggrieved that his friends were on high salaries while his, while over the national average and perfectly respectable, wasn’t comparable. When someone mentioned their own high wage he just blew up...basically saying they didn’t deserve what they were paid and making a scene. He later told he me wasn’t jealous...just that the fact everyone else found career progression easy and he didn’t, frustrating...and he was also steaming drunk. I believed this outburst was a one off because his friends have known him 20 years and all remarked this was the first incidence of anything like this. I don’t think the outburst came from a place of spite more feelings of in adequacy. However, seeing this, on the spur of the moment I told him I wanted to leave him partly because when he stomped out after his outburst his friends also told me about him cheating on his ex-wife. When we met he told me he was divorced due to an affair...I didn’t quiz him on this, he volunteered it and while he told me he was to blame, I hadn’t realised quite how much he had disrespected his wife ...basically he’d told me that the affair was a one off over a few months and he’d never done anything like that before. His friends told me however, that he’d cheated on her with two people. It wasn’t this that made me want to leave him but disgust I suppose, that he’d sounded so believable when he’d told me how much of a saint he’s been in the marriage apart from the affair...I hadn’t probed...it wasn’t a situation where he’d been forced to lie. When everything had calmed down I began to appreciate how his anxiety and frustration led to him being so nasty to his friend...not great, but a first time offence in a life-time of being placid and given how drunk he was..these things do happen I suppose. However, instead of feeling mortified and apologising to his friends the next day as most people would...once I’d told him I was leaving him, he decided to use me as cannon fodder. In his anxious mind, under the impression I was leaving he now had no girlfriend and possibly no friends either (this wouldn’t have been the case, they would have forgiven and forgotten...but his anxious paranoia and hungover brain didn’t see it that way) so he decided to invent a story about me to divert attention from his outburst. Basically informing his friend I’d badmouthed them...I hadn’t...in fact I’d told him off for being nasty to them...but he thought that I was leaving and these people would never see me again. I didn’t find out for months and when I did, it seemed to me the most bizarre thing I’d ever heard of...and childish...like a toddler caught with chocolate around his mouth denying eating any and pointing his finger at the innocent child next to saying ‘she did it’. He is an exceptionally childlike person but not normally in a way that hurts other people.

Anyway, when I got upset about finding out about what he’d done I admit I called him a coward...I said he’d behaved like a pre-teen girl and demanded he correct his lies. Which he did...sort of. He later said this caused him ‘stress’ . So much stress that a few weeks later, after drinking again he physically attacked me...I know being drunk is absolutely no excuse but I only mention it because he no longer drinks`to excess and hasn’t for a couple of years). It was a very serious assault and it was only through luck that I didn’t die. A stronger person would have left then but I didn’t....I can make all the excuses under the sun, that I was far away from all my family and friends, had financial worries, that he gaslighted me as did his parents, that I thought I’d be blamed because I’d ‘nagged’ him, the shock (I had a head injury) and while all these are true, the fact I stayed is my fault..no one else’s. I do think ether was some trauma bonding for sure...but he didn’t lock me up and force me to stay. I made that decision and I know it’s not a commendable one.

I think I was in shock for a couple of years. After the assault I started having problems with sleep until I was only getting a few hours...gradually I became like a zombie. I wandered around in this state for a few years until I got proper counselling and was diagnosed with ptsd. During this time he has ‘grown up’ he says he knows he has treated me and his ex wife badly. That he is not that person anymore..he no longer drinks to give himself confidence in social situations ...he mostly behaves like the perfect human being and I believe he has changed.

But I suppose it’s like trying to forgive an affair...the resentment (not surprisingly) can linger long after the event. My therapist and the friends I have now think I should leave now I’ve woken up to what happened but it’s hard...he has these two sides to him and the one that is ‘current’ is the nice side...I find it hard to get my head straight re my feelings for someone who is only abusive once every few years. I almost wish he was abusive more often as I would have left long ago. I’m not sure what I’m asking for really...maybe just a handhold. I should also mention, we have no children and sorry..I hadn’t realised I’d written so much.

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Humbersider · 25/09/2020 07:56

OP, twice you have compared this man's revolting, violent, typically male behaviour to that of a 'pre-teen girl'.

I hope your therapist can help you. I hope you are safe. And I hope one day you can love the pre-teen girl you once were.

PicsInRed · 25/09/2020 07:56

The old wife beater, above, was also charm itself until you said even the gentlest "no, can't" to him then the mask fell. They never change.

SmileyClare · 25/09/2020 07:59

Don't blame yourself of doubt your own mind. He sounds like a psychopath. There are lots of women, myself included that have found ourselves in a relationship with an abusive man and they come in many shapes and forms. My partner was charming, popular and could be the perfect partner a lot of the time, his friends wouldn't believe he had another side.

Now's the time to start recovering and healing yourself and that will really start when you're away from him. Really good advice from marriedtoDave You've been through hell, be kind to yourself x

Sssloou · 25/09/2020 08:22

DO NOT speak to any of his friends. This is v high risk that one will speak with him or he becomes aware that you have made contact. V dangerous.

Your reputation with them is irrelevant - you will drive your self crazy trying to outdo his lies. Your finite and depleted headspace and emotional focus and energy needs to be conserved and used for you.

I am delighted that you have an incredible professional connected therapist who is v strategically orchestrating this for you.

But you are still in a loop about WHY he assaulted you and seem to be trying to put yourself in the position of blame as the trigger to justify and explain his assault. The circular thoughts are also part of PTSD - you are trying to find “a reason” so that you can find an alternative narrative that would have avoided the series of events. But there isn’t one because he is a monster. I suspect that is mother is / was deeply controlling and his dad is timid - and he is playing out his unresolved and unconscious hate for her onto other women.

He is a deeply unhinged, highly strung, passive aggressive, misogynistic, violent, covert Narc masquerading as Mr Nice Guy - social awkward and timid.

That’s who he is. This happened to other women in his life and this would have happened to anyone else. It is not personal to you. HIS behaviours were disgusting to his friend - you had every right and responsibility to call him out on it. What he did next the slander campaign and the assault are classic responses from the covert Narc when the curtain has been lifted to reveal his dark and fragile ego. This is an actual existential threat to him and he has to retaliate by taking the person who exposed him out.

You have done an amazing job to survive. I wish you some faith and hope and a sense of calm that this will all be taken care of by specialists in the next few days and you will be safe and free again.

mamakena · 25/09/2020 09:01

Holy cow OP, I'm sending my best wishes and strength your way. Yes, your body is telling you the real truth.

I was in a similar place, with a quiet intense nice man, then one day he lost it and flew into a rage, threatened me, shoved me. His eyes turned into literal 'snake eyes' - hard to explain but I've since read & seen youtubes of many similar stories covert narcissists when the mask slips.

After my attack I could not sleep for months, I was broken, frozen, like a zombie just like you. Even 4 years after leaving, I'm paranoid and my health is spiraling.

Lundy Bancroft in his book 'Why does he do that' classifies abusers into either a Pit-bull or a Cobra. Yours (and mine) is a cobra and the worst - seemingly shy and nice but sly, scheming and strikes suddenly, cruelly. Luckily you know now.

Houserabbit · 25/09/2020 09:21

I feel like the biggest shit that ever walked making someone leave their home. I know as an alternative to prison he has basically won the lottery, but he won’t see it that way.

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S00LA · 25/09/2020 09:26

If you were a shit then your therapist and the police wouldn’t be helping you.

Have you had legal advice ?

SmileyClare · 25/09/2020 09:31

It's not your fault at all but I'm worried you are still minimising his attack and what he's capable of doing.

For your own welfare, you need support in getting him to leave. You say your therapist will help and the police have been notified?
I think it's best to expect him to react violently when you ask him to leave and plan accordingly.

Your partner deserves no pity. Don't dwell on how he might feel or hurting his feelings.

Houserabbit · 25/09/2020 09:31

Yes, I’ve taken legal advice. I will say what once I’m safe ..hopefully in a few days

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SmileyClare · 25/09/2020 09:34

Ok it sounds as though you've had advice on your safety.

Stay strong, wishing you well on your road to recovery. This can be a new chapter for you, good luck Smile

S00LA · 25/09/2020 09:44

That great. Please go on following the advice of the experts. And be wise about what you post here.

EarthSight · 25/09/2020 10:32

physically attacked me...I know being drunk is absolutely no excuse but I only mention it because he no longer drinks`to excess and hasn’t for a couple of years). It was a very serious assault and it was only through luck that I didn’t die

I thought he was just an average waste of space until I read that.

It’s this exactly...and because he is so quiet and shy and because of his usual demeanour I feel like I’m being cruel to a puppy..but yes he could bite again. I think also, if he were really so sweet and his actions purely due to stress, he wouldn’t have abused his wife by cheating ...so it can’t just be my actions that ‘made’ him act badly.

Lol no. You are not cruel to a puppy. You know why you feel like that? Because you have remorse (which he doesn't seem to have because he actually blamed his life threatening violence on you). I made a podcast a while about wolves in sheep's clothing. I've never published it but it reminds me of this social dynamic. I might expand on it and make a clip about Jekyll & Hyde thinking that keep people in bad relationships.

I am also prone to the Jekyll & Hyde thinking, but you know what? You and me both need to let go of that way of thinking, because it's a way of going 'He's a nice guy, but....'........ and what is that 'but' you're willing to put up with?

It's a way of trying to understand a very confusing set of behaviours, a confusing situation by making things into good vs bad. You simply cannot believe, or don't want to believe such horrible behaviour could exist with other nice personality traits, so you banish & segregate them into Mr Hyde, but you know, even Hitler was a vegetarian was kind to and loved animals. Stop thinking of him as Jekyll & Hyde because all it's doing it giving you an excuse to to stay. Please start thinking of him as an integrated whole.

What you need to ask yourself is - do I want to live? Am I willing to risk the possibility that this man will strike me again? Is staying with him more valuable than preserving my life?

Your boundaries have just been changed, so you will end up putting up with more and more extreme things over time. Think about that.

ilikemethewayiam · 25/09/2020 11:06

Oh I’m so glad you are taking physical steps to end this now. He is so very very dangerous. The ‘nice’ is only the when he is desperately keeping a lid on the violent side but he can’t keep it down forever. He is a ticking time bomb. Follow all the police and legal advice and do this safely. Hand holding you OP 💐

Jayaywhynot · 25/09/2020 11:21

I'm lost for words, that's probably one of the worst posts I've ever read on MN.
Please look after yourself and update us when you're safe.
None of this is your fault and once he's gone you may find that your concentration and all round mental health will start to improve.
As for your job, can you speak to HR or your manager and explain what's been happening so they can cut you some slack whilst you recover, if they dont know what's been going on they may feel you have been slacking, decent companies help their employees but they cant help if you dont talk to them.
Good luck Flowers

Sssloou · 25/09/2020 11:30

The cobra analogy is a good one - but masquerading as the wounded puppy to manipulative your emotions triggering your guilt, obligation and confusion. The puppy is a mask.

Houserabbit · 25/09/2020 11:46

He’ll be told to go later. I feel bad that I can’t give him advance warning so he can move out in privacy but I have to listen to what therapist says

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Houserabbit · 25/09/2020 11:56

But he didn’t give me any warning when he assaulted me..I just came through the front door and still had my coat on. I will do this the property way but just need a handhold as the nice part of him makes me feel so bad for doing all this.

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LachlanRose · 25/09/2020 12:06

@Houserabbit

I feel like the biggest shit that ever walked making someone leave their home. I know as an alternative to prison he has basically won the lottery, but he won’t see it that way.
You're a person who thinks of others before yourself. So maybe frame it in a way that you are saving him a potential life sentence for murder.

Try not to think about his thought processes , concentrate on yours. Prepare yourself as much as possible. You can do this.

One day you will realise it's all about you but maybe that will help a little bit today.

Thinking of you.

Sssloou · 25/09/2020 12:07

There isn’t nice part to him. He is a seething, angry, violent monster. The “nice” part is a mask to manipulate you and keep you silent, close and trapped.

You have done brilliantly. You are nearly there. Keep calm - sounds like you will soon be rescued from this. Thinking of you.

LondonLass61 · 25/09/2020 12:14

@Houserabbit

But he didn’t give me any warning when he assaulted me..I just came through the front door and still had my coat on. I will do this the property way but just need a handhold as the nice part of him makes me feel so bad for doing all this.
That happened to me - no warning and a serious head injury. I bitterly regret not reporting him to the police but I was hospitalised, numb and had children. He didn't go to therapy as promised and became more emotionally abusive. I divorced him a few years later - I just woke up and got sick of living someone else's life. Get out and don't look back - you'll be so proud of yourself.
Houserabbit · 25/09/2020 19:00

He’s gone...the ptsd part of my brain can breathe a bit more easily...the rest of me is very tearful.
I felt awful that he had no proper notice really...I was not intending for it to be this way...up until a few hours before I wanted him to be able to go in his own time but my therapist didn’t feel this was wise.
I couldn’t carry on any longer, it’s been years of sleep deprivation which has severely affected my work and finances, my body and my relationship with my family in that I didn’t feel I could let them see me like this or meet him...if I’d carried on without at least trying to give myself a chance to get better there was only one outcome really (limited sleep etc leading to more serious health concerns than it’s done already).

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Sssloou · 25/09/2020 19:03

OMG - that’s spectacular. Congratulations.

Do you have emotional support and someone to talk to in real life?

Houserabbit · 25/09/2020 19:07

Yes, I have some female friends locally now without whom I would have have been able to do this ...I’d still be stuck in a coma as for 2 years I knew no one.
I will confess to my family that I have ptsd...they know not all is well as in the last few years I’ve developed a terrible stutter...I may just say I was mugged...I don’t want to go into details and upset them.
I just want to say thank you so much to everyone who posted..right up until the last second I was wavering and your support really helped ...possibly even saved my life, so thank you.

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SmileyClare · 25/09/2020 19:18

Ah I'd like to give you a big hug. Well done Op be proud of yourself. I hope your therapy continues to help you, I'm sure it'll be key to building yourself back up.

You will get better with support and it's brilliant that you have friends and are getting back in touch with your family. Keep talking and surround yourself with people who love you.
Sleep well tonight Smile

wishywashywoowoo70 · 25/09/2020 19:23

You've done the right thing sweetheart.
This post has really pulled at my heart strings. Find yourself and get better. You'll be back to you with some extra help.

Post on here anytime you need to. The support is overwhelming