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95 percent Jekyll, 5 percent Hyde...to leave or not?

166 replies

Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 08:40

I’ve nc for this.
If my partner was an overbearing man on a daily basis this would be so much easier...most of the time, his most obvious character trait is how quiet and shy he is. He has had long bouts of social anxiety throughout his life (He also has ED which he told me started in his 20s...he’s late 30s now) and most people would think he was a gentle person. He is gentle at home too and we get on very well on a day to day basis...if it wasn’t for his actions during his Mr Hyde periods...which I find hard to forgive, I would go as far as to say we will well suited....he doesn’t control what I do or who I see in any way, doesn’t dictate what I wear or my interests. I don’t walk on egg shells on a daily basis. To the outside world he appears like the ideal partner and most of the time, he is.

However, he has (or had) a dark side. I know this isn’t unusual in abusers ...I know most of them don’t waltz about in tee-shirts with ‘abuser’ on the front, swigging stella and swinging blows...but my problem is the abusive actions are so rare...and his split personality is so unevenly balanced, with ‘normal’ and ‘nice’ forming so much of his make-up that my head is screwed.

A few years back he behaved quite badly when drunk in front of his long-term friends and exposed his nasty side...possibly for the first time ever in front of them. He is normally very quiet but had had stress at work and was also feeling aggrieved that his friends were on high salaries while his, while over the national average and perfectly respectable, wasn’t comparable. When someone mentioned their own high wage he just blew up...basically saying they didn’t deserve what they were paid and making a scene. He later told he me wasn’t jealous...just that the fact everyone else found career progression easy and he didn’t, frustrating...and he was also steaming drunk. I believed this outburst was a one off because his friends have known him 20 years and all remarked this was the first incidence of anything like this. I don’t think the outburst came from a place of spite more feelings of in adequacy. However, seeing this, on the spur of the moment I told him I wanted to leave him partly because when he stomped out after his outburst his friends also told me about him cheating on his ex-wife. When we met he told me he was divorced due to an affair...I didn’t quiz him on this, he volunteered it and while he told me he was to blame, I hadn’t realised quite how much he had disrespected his wife ...basically he’d told me that the affair was a one off over a few months and he’d never done anything like that before. His friends told me however, that he’d cheated on her with two people. It wasn’t this that made me want to leave him but disgust I suppose, that he’d sounded so believable when he’d told me how much of a saint he’s been in the marriage apart from the affair...I hadn’t probed...it wasn’t a situation where he’d been forced to lie. When everything had calmed down I began to appreciate how his anxiety and frustration led to him being so nasty to his friend...not great, but a first time offence in a life-time of being placid and given how drunk he was..these things do happen I suppose. However, instead of feeling mortified and apologising to his friends the next day as most people would...once I’d told him I was leaving him, he decided to use me as cannon fodder. In his anxious mind, under the impression I was leaving he now had no girlfriend and possibly no friends either (this wouldn’t have been the case, they would have forgiven and forgotten...but his anxious paranoia and hungover brain didn’t see it that way) so he decided to invent a story about me to divert attention from his outburst. Basically informing his friend I’d badmouthed them...I hadn’t...in fact I’d told him off for being nasty to them...but he thought that I was leaving and these people would never see me again. I didn’t find out for months and when I did, it seemed to me the most bizarre thing I’d ever heard of...and childish...like a toddler caught with chocolate around his mouth denying eating any and pointing his finger at the innocent child next to saying ‘she did it’. He is an exceptionally childlike person but not normally in a way that hurts other people.

Anyway, when I got upset about finding out about what he’d done I admit I called him a coward...I said he’d behaved like a pre-teen girl and demanded he correct his lies. Which he did...sort of. He later said this caused him ‘stress’ . So much stress that a few weeks later, after drinking again he physically attacked me...I know being drunk is absolutely no excuse but I only mention it because he no longer drinks`to excess and hasn’t for a couple of years). It was a very serious assault and it was only through luck that I didn’t die. A stronger person would have left then but I didn’t....I can make all the excuses under the sun, that I was far away from all my family and friends, had financial worries, that he gaslighted me as did his parents, that I thought I’d be blamed because I’d ‘nagged’ him, the shock (I had a head injury) and while all these are true, the fact I stayed is my fault..no one else’s. I do think ether was some trauma bonding for sure...but he didn’t lock me up and force me to stay. I made that decision and I know it’s not a commendable one.

I think I was in shock for a couple of years. After the assault I started having problems with sleep until I was only getting a few hours...gradually I became like a zombie. I wandered around in this state for a few years until I got proper counselling and was diagnosed with ptsd. During this time he has ‘grown up’ he says he knows he has treated me and his ex wife badly. That he is not that person anymore..he no longer drinks to give himself confidence in social situations ...he mostly behaves like the perfect human being and I believe he has changed.

But I suppose it’s like trying to forgive an affair...the resentment (not surprisingly) can linger long after the event. My therapist and the friends I have now think I should leave now I’ve woken up to what happened but it’s hard...he has these two sides to him and the one that is ‘current’ is the nice side...I find it hard to get my head straight re my feelings for someone who is only abusive once every few years. I almost wish he was abusive more often as I would have left long ago. I’m not sure what I’m asking for really...maybe just a handhold. I should also mention, we have no children and sorry..I hadn’t realised I’d written so much.

OP posts:
Kanaloa · 24/09/2020 16:43

Also, I think most of the stuff around the attack is irrelevant. No matter if he was drunk, you nagged him, anything that happened - he attacked you and that’s unacceptable under any circumstances.

Holothane · 24/09/2020 16:47

You must leave, the worrying of will there be a next time will drag you down, I’ve been there not on a physical level but the drinking, benders ect, he will show his colours more and more.

Geppili · 24/09/2020 16:49

He sounds very dangerous, Op. just because his violence is rare, might mean he is bottling up lots of rage until he lets it out. I would make calm quiet plans to leave and contact Women's Aid.

Sssloou · 24/09/2020 17:40

I agree with PP that you are trapped in a cage with a snoozing killer lion.

What’s probably eating you up the most is that he didn’t attack you in the heat of the moment during a row - he saved it up for days, plotted it coldly and struck when you weren’t expecting it.

No wonder you are traumatised - how can anyone deal with that. With PTSD people become hyper vigilant and avoidant - so they are always watching, listening and sensing for triggers from their previous experience and they avoid certain people / places / situations related to the incident.

But you are still living daily in your trauma and even worse for you you don’t know what triggered him so you can’t take steps to avoid it. You must be emotionally shattered.

Killing you might be one outcome - another is him leaving you permanently disabled and dependent on him.

category12 · 24/09/2020 17:55

He nearly killed you once. I don't believe that someone capable of that changes. If he ever drinks again, he's giving himself permission to do that or worse again. The drink is not the cause, it is the excuse.

Please leave him. Especially if you ever want children, you should not bring dc into this.

Arrivederla · 24/09/2020 17:57

This is really the most extraordinary thread that I've ever read on here - and I've read a lot.

You are wittering on about how gentle he is, about his salary, about his parents... and then you casually say that he almost killed you!

In the nicest possible way, your reaction is not normal. Leave him as fast as you possibly can and then get some therapy for yourself.

Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 18:15

Yes, I know it’s bizarre. I can only say that It must be as a result of the ptsd and long-term sleep deprivation. I feel like I’ve been in a coma if that makes sense. I feel guilty saying I have ptsd...I’m not a war veteran but it’s been formally diagnosed. I haven’t seen my family for a number of years...we’re not estranged and I speak to them on the phone but I have not told them what’s wrong...they are elderly. They have never met this man and I didn’t want them to. I am looking forward to seeing them again. Up until last year I had no friends in this country (I’m English but was abroad for years and met this man when I came back to the UK) but making a couple of female friends locally, plus my therapist was a life saver and I began to wake up. Arrangements are being made to remove him now.

OP posts:
category12 · 24/09/2020 18:22

Don't feel guilty, christ, you nearly died. You're allowed to have emotions and trauma from what he did to you.

LachlanRose · 24/09/2020 18:22

@Houserabbit

You don't have to explain yourself, honestly. I have had C-Ptsd and the fact is that it does change your perceptions, reactions and it can really mess with your normal coping strategies in life.

It's so important that you're starting to think about things the way you are. It's really amazing actually. You should be proud of yourself. None of this is easy to do, but it is so critical that you continue to do it.

MactheRover · 24/09/2020 19:02

Mate, next time he could kill you. You can't have kids with this man - he might snap and kill them. You need to leave him.

Sssloou · 24/09/2020 20:47

It’s good that you can see through this now. What do you mean about him being “removed” - does he live in your property? Are the police or another agency involved?

Do you have a watertight, safe plan? Are you scared? You should not feel guilty for having PTSD - many war veterans will not have experienced the depth of physical trauma or the length and intensity of emotional trauma.

Have you read “The Body Keeps The Score” ?

rosabug · 24/09/2020 22:26

Hi - I'm pleased you picked up on my comments about his mother. reading back on my comment I think I was wrong to suggest there was some hope of saving it.

When you described his mother and the way she denied emotional reality (usually someone elses) I would say you painted a really good picture and it is not a good one.

The car hypothetical question was really interesting too. Clearly his answer demonstrates a disconnect between feeling and reality (the chasm). You cannot teach anyone this stuff if it's just not there. Their brains just do not work properly.

I think he is profoundly damaged. You can't help him. And like much great advice here you need to take care of yourself. I also would suggest contacting the police, at least talk to them.

popsydoodle4444 · 24/09/2020 22:36

Next time he assaults you;you could be dead.

I cannot believe his parents knew he nearly killed you and did nothing.How deluded are they?

You do realise it's not too late even if it's several years down the line to go to the police.

No man is ever worth dying for.Please call either Refuge or women's aid who can start sign posting you to get the help you need to get away from this man.

I'd hate to think what he might have subjected his ex wife to as well.

popsydoodle4444 · 24/09/2020 22:44

Also please keep posting on this thread until we know he's gone and you're safe.

S00LA · 24/09/2020 23:07

Your husband sounds just like my friends’ neighbour, married with a Professional job, a lovely wife and two primary school aged children. He was very quiet and gentle but then had the occasional outburst when he got ‘stressed’.

He got it in his head ( wrongly ) that the his two sons were not his. So he stabbed his wife 70 times and then sat down and made himself a cup of tea.

No one knows if she had a warning like you did - an attack which she excused away.

She’s one of the three women A WEEK in the UK killed by men, mostly their current or former partner. Please listen to your friends and your therapist and leave now before you become another statistic.

kareningalasmith.com/2020/04/14/2020/

onanotherday · 25/09/2020 00:46

OP well done on deciding to leave. But a word of warning men like him can get worse if they sense you are leaving. Play your cards close to your chest. Clear histories etc and get all paperwork . Good luck Thanks

HumptyD · 25/09/2020 01:06

Wow! Firstly, so sorry this has happened to you, but secondly, leave. He is a ticking time bomb and you never know when he’s going to explode next. He attacked you ONE WEEK after a row.. over lies.. you called him a coward, so what?! That wouldn’t cause you so much stress that you would attack somebody a week later. What a horrible little twat, trying to blame YOU for your own near death experience!! He nearly killed
You, what’s stopping him next time? What about if he lost a job and that caused stress, or you moved house which is stressful, or have kids, are you just spending your life waiting for the stress to bubble over into an attack?? Leaveeee!! And he’s not that bloody timid and shy if he’s perused two seperate women behind his wife’s back! He’s bad news, Run! It doesn’t matter that it was a while back, get your ducks in a row and leave and txt him Or send a letter (considering you don’t know what his reaction would be) and explain the more time goes on and the more
You unlock with your counsellor, you cannot be with someone has hurt you so badly, and wish you never had tried to ‘forgive’ him for it. All the best xxx

Houserabbit · 25/09/2020 07:10

At the start of lockdown my ptsd started to get progressively worse. The main reason wasn’t that he was WFH (I always have) although I suppose that contributed but that because for the last couple of years I’d only been getting 3 or 4 hours sleep and I felt that had affected my physical health quite badly including my immune system - my sleep started to worsen even more so until getting 4 hours was rare. When death rates were peaking I began to worry that if I got the virus I wouldn’t fair well. Whether reasonably (due to his past actions) or due to ptsd induced paranoia I became very worried about him being seen as my next of kin if I got ill and wrote to my gp to ensure this would not be the case and that my family were listed as next of kin. I’m outing myself now, but I probably have already ....progressively over the last few years the ptsd has affected my speech a little and only occasionally but as it’s worsened over recent months Until often I have trouble talking at all. Then the lovely therapist I’d been seeing since last summer got the virus quite badly. We’d moved to phone consults due to social distancing but she was so ill she could no longer do these...she has sadly been left with a lot of health problems as a legacy of covid19 and cannot work. She sent me a couple of recommendations for new therapists...I didn’t want another therapist as I felt they wouldn’t be as good as my existing one and I felt too drained to go through explaining everything again...so I nearly didn’t contact them but then realised I couldn’t go on without help and started phone consults and then face to face meetings with a new therapist. To say the new therapist was good is an understatement ...she has gone above and beyond in helping me by chance (and unfortunately for him I suppose, her previous career was in the criminal justice system and at quite a high level).

I’d reached the point where I felt I could no longer take care of myself. I’d always been very independent and capable (until ptsd) but for the first time ever in my life really, I felt I needed to ask for help...as an adult it’s something I’ve never done. My therapist with my consent spoke to her police colleagues without naming me...I should say now that at the moment she felt I was at immediate risk she would have named me whether I wanted her to or not. Again I got lucky, her police contact was someone who had my welfare as his priority rather than getting an arrest. They also said that acting without my consent at this stage may not be for the best because they could end up with a hostile witness. The general consensus was it may be viewed as attempted murder and at the least section 18 GBH. They said the fact the big assault was some years ago didn’t matter. At the moment I don’t feel I can take the extra stress of a court case...due to lack of sleep I can barely stand most days...I’m clinging on to what I have left of my job (due to inability to function rather than Covid) and that I can continue to work is crucial for my financial and mental survival. I want to be on my own, get sleep, continue to get proper therapy get better...a court case wouldn’t help this...I don't think I could survive it in this state. The problem of course is I might be protecting myself, but what about any future partners he may have...I just want to deal with that risk and what needs to be done to make sure others are safe, once I can sleep, stand up straight and get a sentence out.

So, basically, if he doesn’t leave in the next few days (and my therapist and others are helping so this can be done safely) then the police will intervene...they are aware of what’s going on.

Although him lying to his friends about me sounds a small, pathetic and immature thing it played a crucial part in my not reporting the assault at the time because apparently after he lied to his female friend about she took it upon herself to tell all his other friends I was a nutter. That she would believe his lies about me (and I haven’t detailed them exactly here as they would out me) made no sense at the time..as aside from sounding ridiculous they Just made made no sense...I am starting to wonder if he used something this female friend had done or was ashamed of to turn his friend against me...maybe he said I had knowledge of something she’d done while married to her husband . I don’t particularly care...I barely know these people or anything about them ..but I know he is cunning...it’s the only thing I can think of because his ‘lie’ as he explained it to me is not something I would think she would believe. So..none of that matters in itself, except for the fact that at the time Of the assault I felt I was being slandered....and that contributed to feeling, after the assault, that no one would believe me because his friends were saying I was mad...coupled with gaslighting from him and his parents, it was a factor in my not reporting it at the time.

OP posts:
Houserabbit · 25/09/2020 07:24

The other thing I wondered was - Because prior to the big assault there had been a couple of low level incidences of DV...possibly he thought I was getting friendly with his female friend and after he was abusive to her, he worried I might, seeing this, mention to her that he’d been abusive to me too...so he was trying to reduce my credibility. I know none of that matters..but being lied about definitely contributed to my lack of confidence in reporting the attack at the time. I felt my character had been blackened and that I wouldn’t be believed ...which considering the evidence at the time, I now know is ridiculous.

OP posts:
SmileyClare · 25/09/2020 07:38

I have no doubt your mental state will improve enormously once you get away from this man.

I'm so sorry you're going through this but admire your strength. He hasn't broken you and you still have enough spirit to get away from him and improve your life.

Wishing you well ..and more sleep without him Smile Flowers

MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 25/09/2020 07:42

Ok this is starting to fit together now. He has huge problems with women and is indeed very dangerous. ED, the fact that the friend whose career he couldn't cope with was female, his affairs, the fact that the lies he told centred around you going after her husband. Then of course his mother and the exceptionally serious assault on you.

This is the kind that 'snaps' and kills women. But you know that and your ptsd combined with that knowledge are robbing you of your sleep and peace of mind. You might not be walking on eggshells but you are living in fear - it's why you can't sleep. Your body is hyper vigilant.

It's outrageously damaging sleeping that little for so long - I'm a bit insomniac at the moment and it's killing me. Have you seen your doctor for a short course of both zopiclone and Valium? The Valium is incredibly good but of course highly addictive - even a weeks worth though will be a life saver.

Are you able to be away somewhere safe while he is removed? Has the therapist been able to set up a specific plan of action and do you have practical support? I think this is a very unsafe situation.

Also have you looked at emdr (used by the army) in addition to your current counselling for the ptsd? Maybe once he's out you could do it, until then you are still in the war zone. It's super quick and super effective.

Please let us know you are ok once he's gone. And do talk to his friends and let them know you are splitting and make sure he doesn't trash your reputation to them again - you never know when you might run into them. And it's stressful having that kind of thing said about you.

This wasn't just one assault - it's some pretty messed up behaviour over a sustained period. Time to act.

Houserabbit · 25/09/2020 07:47

I used to think I was an intelligent human being but I’ve realised I’ve been frightening stupid because small things are starting to make sense. When he shouted at his female friend, because of the low level do I’d experienced from him in the past I was worried he was going to hit her...he wouldn’t have In front of all those people,, but the raised voice etc. triggered me. My leg was jiggling up and down with nerves. Afterwards I remember I told him he shouldn’t have spoken to a woman like that..I told him I was afraid he was going to hit her because he’d previously pushed and shoved me. Maybe he blackened my name not to detract from the scene he’d made but because he was worried I’d tell his friends he’d been abusive to me too and he wanted to reduce my credibility. I’ve been a mug.

OP posts:
WunWun · 25/09/2020 07:48

I'm just not seeing any sign of a 95% good guy. He nearly killed you.

MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 25/09/2020 07:53

He'd pushed and shoved you? You were worried for her.

Get him out this weekend. Have someone with you AT ALL TIMES.

PicsInRed · 25/09/2020 07:54

I knew a woman in her 80s being beaten by her also elderly husband. We rarely saw her, she was often trapped in the house. Broken bones etc. If you stay, that will be your old age reality - if you make old age.

Thank goodness you have no kids as you now have a realistic chance of moving far away with no forwarding address, an option closed to you if you shared care of kids. Do not get pregnant.

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