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95 percent Jekyll, 5 percent Hyde...to leave or not?

166 replies

Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 08:40

I’ve nc for this.
If my partner was an overbearing man on a daily basis this would be so much easier...most of the time, his most obvious character trait is how quiet and shy he is. He has had long bouts of social anxiety throughout his life (He also has ED which he told me started in his 20s...he’s late 30s now) and most people would think he was a gentle person. He is gentle at home too and we get on very well on a day to day basis...if it wasn’t for his actions during his Mr Hyde periods...which I find hard to forgive, I would go as far as to say we will well suited....he doesn’t control what I do or who I see in any way, doesn’t dictate what I wear or my interests. I don’t walk on egg shells on a daily basis. To the outside world he appears like the ideal partner and most of the time, he is.

However, he has (or had) a dark side. I know this isn’t unusual in abusers ...I know most of them don’t waltz about in tee-shirts with ‘abuser’ on the front, swigging stella and swinging blows...but my problem is the abusive actions are so rare...and his split personality is so unevenly balanced, with ‘normal’ and ‘nice’ forming so much of his make-up that my head is screwed.

A few years back he behaved quite badly when drunk in front of his long-term friends and exposed his nasty side...possibly for the first time ever in front of them. He is normally very quiet but had had stress at work and was also feeling aggrieved that his friends were on high salaries while his, while over the national average and perfectly respectable, wasn’t comparable. When someone mentioned their own high wage he just blew up...basically saying they didn’t deserve what they were paid and making a scene. He later told he me wasn’t jealous...just that the fact everyone else found career progression easy and he didn’t, frustrating...and he was also steaming drunk. I believed this outburst was a one off because his friends have known him 20 years and all remarked this was the first incidence of anything like this. I don’t think the outburst came from a place of spite more feelings of in adequacy. However, seeing this, on the spur of the moment I told him I wanted to leave him partly because when he stomped out after his outburst his friends also told me about him cheating on his ex-wife. When we met he told me he was divorced due to an affair...I didn’t quiz him on this, he volunteered it and while he told me he was to blame, I hadn’t realised quite how much he had disrespected his wife ...basically he’d told me that the affair was a one off over a few months and he’d never done anything like that before. His friends told me however, that he’d cheated on her with two people. It wasn’t this that made me want to leave him but disgust I suppose, that he’d sounded so believable when he’d told me how much of a saint he’s been in the marriage apart from the affair...I hadn’t probed...it wasn’t a situation where he’d been forced to lie. When everything had calmed down I began to appreciate how his anxiety and frustration led to him being so nasty to his friend...not great, but a first time offence in a life-time of being placid and given how drunk he was..these things do happen I suppose. However, instead of feeling mortified and apologising to his friends the next day as most people would...once I’d told him I was leaving him, he decided to use me as cannon fodder. In his anxious mind, under the impression I was leaving he now had no girlfriend and possibly no friends either (this wouldn’t have been the case, they would have forgiven and forgotten...but his anxious paranoia and hungover brain didn’t see it that way) so he decided to invent a story about me to divert attention from his outburst. Basically informing his friend I’d badmouthed them...I hadn’t...in fact I’d told him off for being nasty to them...but he thought that I was leaving and these people would never see me again. I didn’t find out for months and when I did, it seemed to me the most bizarre thing I’d ever heard of...and childish...like a toddler caught with chocolate around his mouth denying eating any and pointing his finger at the innocent child next to saying ‘she did it’. He is an exceptionally childlike person but not normally in a way that hurts other people.

Anyway, when I got upset about finding out about what he’d done I admit I called him a coward...I said he’d behaved like a pre-teen girl and demanded he correct his lies. Which he did...sort of. He later said this caused him ‘stress’ . So much stress that a few weeks later, after drinking again he physically attacked me...I know being drunk is absolutely no excuse but I only mention it because he no longer drinks`to excess and hasn’t for a couple of years). It was a very serious assault and it was only through luck that I didn’t die. A stronger person would have left then but I didn’t....I can make all the excuses under the sun, that I was far away from all my family and friends, had financial worries, that he gaslighted me as did his parents, that I thought I’d be blamed because I’d ‘nagged’ him, the shock (I had a head injury) and while all these are true, the fact I stayed is my fault..no one else’s. I do think ether was some trauma bonding for sure...but he didn’t lock me up and force me to stay. I made that decision and I know it’s not a commendable one.

I think I was in shock for a couple of years. After the assault I started having problems with sleep until I was only getting a few hours...gradually I became like a zombie. I wandered around in this state for a few years until I got proper counselling and was diagnosed with ptsd. During this time he has ‘grown up’ he says he knows he has treated me and his ex wife badly. That he is not that person anymore..he no longer drinks to give himself confidence in social situations ...he mostly behaves like the perfect human being and I believe he has changed.

But I suppose it’s like trying to forgive an affair...the resentment (not surprisingly) can linger long after the event. My therapist and the friends I have now think I should leave now I’ve woken up to what happened but it’s hard...he has these two sides to him and the one that is ‘current’ is the nice side...I find it hard to get my head straight re my feelings for someone who is only abusive once every few years. I almost wish he was abusive more often as I would have left long ago. I’m not sure what I’m asking for really...maybe just a handhold. I should also mention, we have no children and sorry..I hadn’t realised I’d written so much.

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Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 10:19

This ...

  1. The hidden stuff is shameful and powerful. Can I ask if he has either a difficult relationship with his mother? or one where controlled surface behaviour is valued and emotion is frowned upon?

The second part. When he cheated on his wife he went back to live with his parents and they never probed deeper or asked my his marriage had broken down apparently...simply swept it under the carpet. While cheating his friends said he spoke to every single one of their mutual friend about his affair as he needed people to speak to about it...everyone was aware except the poor wife. His parents remind me of the lady in ‘keeping up appearances’ if anyone remembers that ...but sort of the sinister version of Mrs Bucket. When he told them he’d hurt me (though he did underplay how badly) they just seemed concerned with him. My own parents would have at least said they were disappointed in me...told me to get therapy or possibly even, suggested I go to the police and confess.

He said to me a few times that he felt his friends liked me more than they liked him....this absolutely wasn’t true...I didn’t have much to do with them really and certainly wasn’t close with any of them..I wonder if it was truly what he believed though, whether he had some resentment ...hence his lies. I have a hard time figuring it out because a lot of it sounds like the behaviour of a teenage girl Rather than a grown man.

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FoxandFish · 24/09/2020 10:20

Reading your post is really upsetting.I agree with @TheNavigator and think you should seek professional help again. I've read this somewhere on MN: would you drink a tea or coffee knowing someone add a little bit of dog poo to it? No, you would not! It's the same with an abuse. No amount of it should be accepted ever!

Aerial2020 · 24/09/2020 10:30

OP it doesn't matter why he does it.
The fact is , he does
You can't change that.
Over analysing him, trying to understand him and why will leave you to a dead end over and over again.
You are not his therapist. You are not his mother. You can't fix or save him
All this energy you are putting into this could be used on you and your own mental health
He is a grown man. He can take responsibility for himself.
Please please step back from this and focus on yourslef.
Write down all the things he has done to hurt you. Make a list. Read it over and over. Then ask yourself if that was your child who had written that, what would you say to them? Would you tell them to try and understand why?
You would tell them to look after themselves and get away from him
This will never ever end the way you want. He will never ever change.
Please speak to someone about this whi can help you.

Cyw2018 · 24/09/2020 10:43

He physically attacked you to the point you could have died. That one fact alone is all that is needed to know that you should leave him.

You had a head injury. If it had been a tiny bit worse it could have changed who you are fundamentally for ever. Serious traumatic brain injuries have a habit of doing that! Just think about that.

Leave him now whilst you are strong and thinking straight.

Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 11:24

I think although the events that occurred before the assault were a bit pathetic and not abusive, the reason I’m still thinking about them and mention them at all is I’m trying to make sense of what led up to me being hurt.

Re lying to his friends, the friend he shouted at was female. After making a fool of himself he apparently contacted her the next day and apologised but quickly moved on to lying about me (thinking I was going to leave him and this woman would never set eyes on me again). I don’t want to out myself so it wasn’t this exactly but it was of similar calibre to him telling her I’d chatted up her husband and that I was out to get her. I didn’t know her husbands name and had never spoken to him. I’d always got on okay with his female friend and in fact was having a conversation with her about her work when he exploded and started insulting her. I do wonder if he was trying to act like the ‘hero’ to redeem himself after his bad behaviour or simply trying to divert attention on to someone else after making a show of himself.

Either way it is a normal thing to be unhappy about being lied about isn’t it? Or to be shocked an adult would make up a fairy story to detract from themselves. I feel when he assaulted me he was punishing me for daring to be cross.

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Aerial2020 · 24/09/2020 11:34

OP you seem to be focusing on the above far more than he attacked you.
He attacked you.
The above drama is neither here nor there is it???

LachlanRose · 24/09/2020 11:34

He threw you under the bus to compensate for his inadequacies. It's ludicrous behaviour. That woman could have responded very differently. He's painting himself of the victim of your behaviour, probably introducing that as a reason for his behaviour directly. Certainly indirectly.

I would split with someone just for doing this. It's slander. And if he thought he had lost you, but his first priority was to use this knowledge to save himself..... How much does he care about you? How much does he care about anyone?

Aerial2020 · 24/09/2020 11:37

It doesn't matter why.
He did it.
Please stop looking for a reason.
The only reason is he chose to. That is it.
There is no reason that could possibly excuse it.
I know you're trying to make sense of it but please do this with a professional away from him.

Roberta268 · 24/09/2020 11:37

If you stay, there’s a high chance he will eventually kill you. Please seek help from a women’s refuge or similar.

Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 11:48

I have spent far too much time trying to make sense of the reasons and not focusing on how severe the violence was.
When I found out he’d lied, in an effort to understand why he felt he could use me as damage limitation in this way, I posed a theoretical question asking him whether, if he’d been drink driving and caused an accident and I as the passenger had died, whether he would lie and say I’d be driving to clear his name...he said I don’t know! If it wasn’t so nasty I suppose it would almost be funny.

Thank you everyone for your posts...they have really helped and I know what I need to do now.

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Onthedunes · 24/09/2020 11:56

Sound like you'll be ok so long as do as your told and NEVER dissagree with him.

You will never be able to reason with this man/child.

PinkMonkeyBird · 24/09/2020 12:32

Please listen to the consensus on here and make steps to leave him. You can't live in a relationship like this, waiting for that 5% Mr Jekyll to emerge. You will be living in fear. He nearly killed you! Don't minimise his actions or make excuses. He has lied to you and to his friends. A despicable man. Reading this made me so sad for you.

LachlanRose · 24/09/2020 12:42

@Houserabbit

If I asked my OH that hypothetical question about the drunk driving he would look at me as if I was crazy for asking it, and he would say no, of course not. If you're dead I wouldn't care about anything.

I'm like you, I analyse things to death but there comes a point when you have to stop and take action. This is your life and you deserve so much more than living it with someone who has treated you violently and abusively.

Just keep moving towards that goal.

Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 13:13

In retrospect, my asking such a hypothetical question should have been a red flag to myself...I think I was trying to work out how he could feel it was okay to throw someone under a bus as he did...whether they were no longer in his life or not. It just seemed so strange and bizarre to me.

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ilikemethewayiam · 24/09/2020 13:15

If you are in the U.K. OP contact women’s aid.

www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk/

Read the book suggested above by Lundy Bancroft, it’s an eye opener for women like you who are trying to find excuses why a violent man attacked you. There are none. You pulled him up on his behaviour but you didn’t try to murder him, why? Because YOU are not an abuser. If you used his logic, you would have had the same ‘reasons’ for attacking him wouldn’t you?

He is a bubbling cauldron of insecurity, narcissism and entitlement. He’s like a snowcapped volcano that looks serene and picturesque on the outside but underground is the bubbling poisonous stuff slowly working it way to the surface (the nice times). That poison will kill you if you are in the vicinity when it blows.

You must get out. No more excuses, no more but’s.

IdblowJonSnow · 24/09/2020 13:18

Only one thing stands out a mile OP. He almost killed you. Are you willing to chance this again?
Please do leave him. Sending strength. I can understand its confusing when he behaves well the majority of the time. If he lost his temper every 5 years and chucked a glass at the wall, not great but maybe forgivable for some. Here the stakes are so much higher.
Flowers

JaggySplinter · 24/09/2020 13:24

I was trying to read to the end but I got to the bit where you said he physically attacked you. That has to be the point where you get up and leave.

There's support to leave abusive relationships with Women's Aid and Rights for Women. Please leave before it gets worse.

SmileyClare · 24/09/2020 14:01

I would also consider reporting your attack to the police, when you feel strong enough. It was a serious assault.

They would take you seriously if you wanted to make a statement no matter if it was in the past. The hospital will have a record of your injuries.

You say you've moved far away from your own friends and family but can you rely on them for some support? Could you visit them for a while? Speaking honestly about his violent attack will make it real for you and will stop you doubting yourself or excusing him.

CatherinedeBourgh · 24/09/2020 14:17

OP, you are missing the point.

It doesn’t matter what you did to provoke him.

He nearly killed you.

It doesn’t matter what he was feeling at the time.

He nearly killed you.

It doesn’t matter what his parents thought about it.

He nearly killed you.

Everything else is irrelevant.

Redwrecker · 24/09/2020 14:48

OP, this is terrifying. Its like you’re blocking out he almost killed you? HE SHOULD BE IN PRISON. Leave him please, nothing else needs to matter except being safe.

Sssloou · 24/09/2020 15:13

I am interested how he has had ED since his twenties but was married and conducted two affairs - probably another bunch of lies to add to the list.

It looks to me that he literally punched the spirit and life out of you.

He has left you with a zombie like PTSD - a severe, crippling, life changing MH condition.

In this state you are barely functioning like a brutalised, traumatised animal - you are in such deep shock, confusion and fear. You are frozen and emotionally collapsed.

In this stage it is you who is the quiet docile one who cannot speak and who holds his secret - he knows he has beaten you to a pulp of silence.

That’s the one and only reason is behaviour has improved because you are no longer a threat to his fragile ego by speaking the truth of his dark dirty existence.

But you are hyper-vigilant - that’s what all the analysis of him is about. You are trying to understand everything that happened so that you know what the triggers were so you can keep physically safe because you don’t know when he will pounce again.

This is futile and exhausting. This is not living it is barely existing.

Your therapy seems to be thawing some of the freeze of your PTSD and you are looking for insights.

Soon you will consolidate all of the disparate facts / incidents and recognise that you have an irrational, unpredictable, seething, deluded, jealous, entitled, raging, brittle, bitter, lying, murderous, monster on your hands masquerading as a timid, inadequate, shy man.

He will not change - these types just get more bitter and entrenched as their sad life circles the drain. He will have a midlife crisis of some sorts or a career failure that will inflame his self righteousness again. If he is drinking this will progress.

He is a misogynistic, deceptive, manipulative, malicious covert Narc.

He is v v dangerous. I bet his xW has plenty to embellish his stories.

That’s enough analysis paralysis about him.

Most important person is you. It sounds like you have been hit over the head with a shovel and been staggering around mute for years. Maybe you are starting to settle and “see” something. I hope so.

I hope you have some professional expert emotional support. I hope that you have some radiant, warm and kind friends in RL who you can confide in and allow to support you.

I hope that you can imagine a future life where the fear and misplaced guilt have evaporated and you can quietly make plans to escape.

KNOW how dangerous he will be if he gets a sniff that you are even twitching to leave. This is when these men are the most dangerous as you well know from the hideous violent assault.

Your safely is paramount.

Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 15:23

Apparently his marriage was mostly sexless. This drove him to one (Mostly) emotional Affair and then another..when his wife chucked him out he went to GP for viagra. I think if he hadn’t had ED he probably would have cheated a lot more tbh.

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starskey80 · 24/09/2020 16:16

I think you posted about this before, a while back.

You really need to get out of there, you're walking around in a fog, like a zombie, a shell of yourself. This is because you are living with your attempted killer !!!
This is what is fucking you up. Not his silly little lies, or how he treated his ex wife. It's because he tried to kill you and now you are still there with him, like being trapped in a cage with a sleeping lion.

You need to leave, just leave, and I bet you will sleep far better once you are not lying next to your violent abuser.

ilikemethewayiam · 24/09/2020 16:23

@Sssloou

I am interested how he has had ED since his twenties but was married and conducted two affairs - probably another bunch of lies to add to the list.

It looks to me that he literally punched the spirit and life out of you.

He has left you with a zombie like PTSD - a severe, crippling, life changing MH condition.

In this state you are barely functioning like a brutalised, traumatised animal - you are in such deep shock, confusion and fear. You are frozen and emotionally collapsed.

In this stage it is you who is the quiet docile one who cannot speak and who holds his secret - he knows he has beaten you to a pulp of silence.

That’s the one and only reason is behaviour has improved because you are no longer a threat to his fragile ego by speaking the truth of his dark dirty existence.

But you are hyper-vigilant - that’s what all the analysis of him is about. You are trying to understand everything that happened so that you know what the triggers were so you can keep physically safe because you don’t know when he will pounce again.

This is futile and exhausting. This is not living it is barely existing.

Your therapy seems to be thawing some of the freeze of your PTSD and you are looking for insights.

Soon you will consolidate all of the disparate facts / incidents and recognise that you have an irrational, unpredictable, seething, deluded, jealous, entitled, raging, brittle, bitter, lying, murderous, monster on your hands masquerading as a timid, inadequate, shy man.

He will not change - these types just get more bitter and entrenched as their sad life circles the drain. He will have a midlife crisis of some sorts or a career failure that will inflame his self righteousness again. If he is drinking this will progress.

He is a misogynistic, deceptive, manipulative, malicious covert Narc.

He is v v dangerous. I bet his xW has plenty to embellish his stories.

That’s enough analysis paralysis about him.

Most important person is you. It sounds like you have been hit over the head with a shovel and been staggering around mute for years. Maybe you are starting to settle and “see” something. I hope so.

I hope you have some professional expert emotional support. I hope that you have some radiant, warm and kind friends in RL who you can confide in and allow to support you.

I hope that you can imagine a future life where the fear and misplaced guilt have evaporated and you can quietly make plans to escape.

KNOW how dangerous he will be if he gets a sniff that you are even twitching to leave. This is when these men are the most dangerous as you well know from the hideous violent assault.

Your safely is paramount.

Sums it up perfectly!
Kanaloa · 24/09/2020 16:40

I think 5% Hyde is 5% too much. In the novel, Hyde starts to come out more and more until there is no Jekyll left - I think this is what happens with many abusers as well.

Initially there is 95% good and 5% bad, then it’s 80/20, 60/40, 50/50. The more he behaves badly but gets away with it the more confident he will feel to continue behaving badly. And although you say you don’t walk on egg shells, I think to post about it on here it is obviously bothering you a lot. If you can leave, I would do that.

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