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95 percent Jekyll, 5 percent Hyde...to leave or not?

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Houserabbit · 24/09/2020 08:40

I’ve nc for this.
If my partner was an overbearing man on a daily basis this would be so much easier...most of the time, his most obvious character trait is how quiet and shy he is. He has had long bouts of social anxiety throughout his life (He also has ED which he told me started in his 20s...he’s late 30s now) and most people would think he was a gentle person. He is gentle at home too and we get on very well on a day to day basis...if it wasn’t for his actions during his Mr Hyde periods...which I find hard to forgive, I would go as far as to say we will well suited....he doesn’t control what I do or who I see in any way, doesn’t dictate what I wear or my interests. I don’t walk on egg shells on a daily basis. To the outside world he appears like the ideal partner and most of the time, he is.

However, he has (or had) a dark side. I know this isn’t unusual in abusers ...I know most of them don’t waltz about in tee-shirts with ‘abuser’ on the front, swigging stella and swinging blows...but my problem is the abusive actions are so rare...and his split personality is so unevenly balanced, with ‘normal’ and ‘nice’ forming so much of his make-up that my head is screwed.

A few years back he behaved quite badly when drunk in front of his long-term friends and exposed his nasty side...possibly for the first time ever in front of them. He is normally very quiet but had had stress at work and was also feeling aggrieved that his friends were on high salaries while his, while over the national average and perfectly respectable, wasn’t comparable. When someone mentioned their own high wage he just blew up...basically saying they didn’t deserve what they were paid and making a scene. He later told he me wasn’t jealous...just that the fact everyone else found career progression easy and he didn’t, frustrating...and he was also steaming drunk. I believed this outburst was a one off because his friends have known him 20 years and all remarked this was the first incidence of anything like this. I don’t think the outburst came from a place of spite more feelings of in adequacy. However, seeing this, on the spur of the moment I told him I wanted to leave him partly because when he stomped out after his outburst his friends also told me about him cheating on his ex-wife. When we met he told me he was divorced due to an affair...I didn’t quiz him on this, he volunteered it and while he told me he was to blame, I hadn’t realised quite how much he had disrespected his wife ...basically he’d told me that the affair was a one off over a few months and he’d never done anything like that before. His friends told me however, that he’d cheated on her with two people. It wasn’t this that made me want to leave him but disgust I suppose, that he’d sounded so believable when he’d told me how much of a saint he’s been in the marriage apart from the affair...I hadn’t probed...it wasn’t a situation where he’d been forced to lie. When everything had calmed down I began to appreciate how his anxiety and frustration led to him being so nasty to his friend...not great, but a first time offence in a life-time of being placid and given how drunk he was..these things do happen I suppose. However, instead of feeling mortified and apologising to his friends the next day as most people would...once I’d told him I was leaving him, he decided to use me as cannon fodder. In his anxious mind, under the impression I was leaving he now had no girlfriend and possibly no friends either (this wouldn’t have been the case, they would have forgiven and forgotten...but his anxious paranoia and hungover brain didn’t see it that way) so he decided to invent a story about me to divert attention from his outburst. Basically informing his friend I’d badmouthed them...I hadn’t...in fact I’d told him off for being nasty to them...but he thought that I was leaving and these people would never see me again. I didn’t find out for months and when I did, it seemed to me the most bizarre thing I’d ever heard of...and childish...like a toddler caught with chocolate around his mouth denying eating any and pointing his finger at the innocent child next to saying ‘she did it’. He is an exceptionally childlike person but not normally in a way that hurts other people.

Anyway, when I got upset about finding out about what he’d done I admit I called him a coward...I said he’d behaved like a pre-teen girl and demanded he correct his lies. Which he did...sort of. He later said this caused him ‘stress’ . So much stress that a few weeks later, after drinking again he physically attacked me...I know being drunk is absolutely no excuse but I only mention it because he no longer drinks`to excess and hasn’t for a couple of years). It was a very serious assault and it was only through luck that I didn’t die. A stronger person would have left then but I didn’t....I can make all the excuses under the sun, that I was far away from all my family and friends, had financial worries, that he gaslighted me as did his parents, that I thought I’d be blamed because I’d ‘nagged’ him, the shock (I had a head injury) and while all these are true, the fact I stayed is my fault..no one else’s. I do think ether was some trauma bonding for sure...but he didn’t lock me up and force me to stay. I made that decision and I know it’s not a commendable one.

I think I was in shock for a couple of years. After the assault I started having problems with sleep until I was only getting a few hours...gradually I became like a zombie. I wandered around in this state for a few years until I got proper counselling and was diagnosed with ptsd. During this time he has ‘grown up’ he says he knows he has treated me and his ex wife badly. That he is not that person anymore..he no longer drinks to give himself confidence in social situations ...he mostly behaves like the perfect human being and I believe he has changed.

But I suppose it’s like trying to forgive an affair...the resentment (not surprisingly) can linger long after the event. My therapist and the friends I have now think I should leave now I’ve woken up to what happened but it’s hard...he has these two sides to him and the one that is ‘current’ is the nice side...I find it hard to get my head straight re my feelings for someone who is only abusive once every few years. I almost wish he was abusive more often as I would have left long ago. I’m not sure what I’m asking for really...maybe just a handhold. I should also mention, we have no children and sorry..I hadn’t realised I’d written so much.

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Houserabbit · 26/09/2020 18:39

Thank you tiredvommachine, I’ll start looking for a local provider. If emdr could help the sleep alone and nothing else, I’d be overjoyed and feel I had a real chance at normal life again...it’s the long term sleep deprivation that’s caused the most damage for me.

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MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 26/09/2020 19:51

House rabbit someone on here had it via zoom and it worked a treat. It's a physical process they talk you through rather than a talking therapy you need to be in the room with them for. It doesn't really make a difference if you're with them - so the best person is the best person with zoom not the closest best person. Which is great. And fast!

EarthSight · 27/09/2020 11:39

@Houserabbit

I still can’t shift the idea that I was abusive for being angry when I found out he lied about me...I called him a coward, said he had no morals etc. He didn’t attack me during an argument but some days later...he said that it was due to stress caused by my ‘going on’ at him for a week or so after I found out about the lies. One half of my brain says I bullied a timid man by calling him out for his actions..the other half says I had every right to.
Oh God NOOOOOOO!!!!! I don't usually use capital letters in my posts but I think it's necessary in this one.

He IS a coward by the sounds of it!! LISTEN TO YOURSELF.

Jesus Christ woman!!!!!! You know, part of the reason why you are getting into knots over this is because you are probably an ethical, good person who wants to be fair. He's told you that you 'going on at him' is enough justification to hit you!!!! Loads of people get angry and don't hit people. Loads of people get drunk and don't hit people. Loads of people get angry AND drunk and STILL don't do that....but he had.

And worse, he has now got you into a position where you are doubting yourself. DO NOT SUBJECT YOURSELF TO THIS RISK.

Your problem isn't that you were mean or you got too angry at him. Your problem is that you didn't get angry enough!! That's because you have lost connection to your pride, to your self worth. If you reconnect to that one you will certainly feel rage at the way you were treated. Connect with that! It is the surest, fastest way to action! It could save your life in this case.

Houserabbit · 27/09/2020 12:38

Yes earthsight...I understand now...I ended up thinking I was in the wrong for being upset and angry about things that most normal people would object to, or probably not tolerate at all. Things like a person who was supposed to love you slandering you..I kept asking questions in an effort to understand as it was so unlike anything I’d experienced before. For my own safety this was not the best course of action but I think I somehow expected him to suddenly see the light. I think he did...but only in theory In a kind of how to be human with bullet points way as if it were a mathematical equation...not in his heart/with moral compass as normal people do. I will get flamed for saying this, but I truly believe it is not his fault... In the same way background and genetics make some people doormats they mean some people struggle with empathy. It’s a terrible combination when the two come together.

I am now at the start of a very long road to getting better. If I can overcome the lack of sleep and nightmares I think I will have a fighting chance. My therapist, GP etc. Saved my life really I suppose..even if he had never hurt me again I simply wasn’t going to get better while I was living with him. I don’t know how long humans can go on only 3 hours sleep a night...but after three years I simply couldn’t do it anymore, my body wasn’t holding up.

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MsJinks · 27/09/2020 13:01

Might sound a random suggestion but look into acupuncture- it really can help with sleep massively and reducing stress - look for an acupuncturist with full qualifications. Where I have gone it was a full range of therapists as well, so counselling and nutritionists etc to enable a real holistic response if you like, though acupuncturist gave me a holistic approach anyhow in those treatments. This is not intended to be woo or distract you from more traditional treatments and working with GP and current counsellor, but complementary to help you. You can claim some costs back through Westfield but it’s not too extortionate and normally 4-6 sessions for any condition so it doesn’t drag on.
You are amazing OP, 2 years is nothing, sometimes it can take a decade or longer for someone to start the first steps to addressing an abuser. The guy is truly dangerous, and very frightening to just read about. You’ve been so brave, best wishes and hugs to you.

JojoMcghee · 27/09/2020 13:14

I do understand why you believe that it's not his fault.... I've been very mentally unwell at times and I've been massively in denial about what a person has been capable of...... I've sometimes wished that the person did something unforgivable to make me snap out of it.

But reading your posts I realise that when you have got that perspective that the other person is just a product of his upbringing or genes, and not responsible ..... then nothing will bring you out of that denial but work and time.

I am going to ask you to remember that this belief that he isn't responsible for any of his actions comes from your own perspective right now. And right now you are struggling a great deal. Therefore it is a belief that cannot be trusted. That's all you have to hold onto just now. There will come a time when you realise things more clearly.

I hope today is calm.

Flowers
GoldfishParade · 27/09/2020 13:22

Wow. You are a wonderfully strong woman. I cant believe what you have gone through and the massive step you have taken.

Congratulations on your new life OP. I have also heard great things about EMDR.

Houserabbit · 03/10/2020 20:29

Thank you so much to everyone who replied last week, I think you helped to save my life. Because the violence was so sporadic I’m not sure whether it would have ever happened to that level again - however if he hadn’t killed me the lack of sleep, damage that caused to my body and stress would have. For over three years, I was averaging 3 hours sleep and became little more than a zombie , by the end I couldn’t walk in a straight line and had developed a stutter so bad that sometimes I struggled to talk.

I just wondered if anyone else had had such a delayed reaction to an assault before, because the thing is, I’m finding that as I adjust to feeling safer I am reliving the assault more now than I did before..I wondering if this is because to some extent he managed to play it down, normalise or gaslight and now I’m seeing it in the cold light of day...or that I’ve simply been not functioning enough to think straight. I keep wondering what he would have done with my body had I not regained consciousness ..I don’t know if that’s ptsd induced paranoia or me being over dramatic ...but when I saw him clean up my blood while I was in and out of consciousness I just feel he was on a certain path. I don’t know why this is terrifying more now than it did in the days after.

I know my post makes me sound insane in that I stayed, but I really wasn’t able to function normally after the assault and wasn’t in my right mind and things just got worse...possibly more due to the sleep deprivation than the ptsd. The couples councillor we saw together shortly after the assault (I’d explained the assault to her before we saw her together so she knew it was serious) is being taken to a hearing by the BACP..she told me she thought he was ‘on the spectrum’ that she felt he was ‘genuinely sorry’ for what he’d done..she said him cleaning up my blood instead of calling me an ambulance was probably due to shock...I am not making excuses for myself, but this plus numerous other factors minimising what he’d done ..including from his family stole years of my life, damaged my career, and left me a sleep deprived mess. The counsellor has a son who is one the ‘ spectrum’ apparently ...this is pure guess work but her age suggests her son was a similar age to the person who nearly took my life ..and I do wonder whether this played a part in her defending him. Either way, I hope the bacp throw the book at her.

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SoulofanAggron · 03/10/2020 21:08

Well done for getting rid of him. Flowers Flowers Flowers And that therapist you previously saw sounds awful. Sad

I just wondered if anyone else had had such a delayed reaction to an assault before, because the thing is, I’m finding that as I adjust to feeling safer I am reliving the assault more now than I did before

It's not unknown, I've seen women say that on here before. PP's are right that EMDR would help. It works much faster than basic talking therapy for trauma, taking less sessions.

If you're with an abuser or even for a fair while afterwards, I think it can be like a sort of trance. The brain creates a fog or something, or other defences, in order to cope. Plus as you say all the brainwashing from them minimizing etc. And now you have more time to process whereas before you were too busy dealing with them.

Wishing you a good recovery. Flowers

SirVixofVixHall · 03/10/2020 21:33

OP, i have read this thread with absolute horror, this is a very dangerous man indeed.
What did he do to you, can you say ? Did he hit your head with a weapon ? Have you had any support from Headway, the brain injury charity ? Because I think you have been suffering with the huge emotional shock and PTSD but also with the physical effects of a traumatic head injury. It can take a very long time to recover from a head injury, tiredness, brain fog, a feeling of disconnection, all very common.
This man almost killed you, he cleaned up around you as you lay on the floor bleeding, what happened then, did you manage to call an ambulance ? Did he ? Did you get any medical help ?
Are you in a safe place now ?

Houserabbit · 03/10/2020 21:47

He didn’t use a weapon...he ambushed me when I came through the front door....knocked me to the floor, sat on my chest, slammed my head against the skirting board (I think by holding my hair) he slammed my head back down into the floor multiple times each times I tried to raise it (after the initial head wound So my head was bleeding on one side and bruised at the back) And throttled me. I crawled away and he cleaned up the scene while I was still drifting in and out of consciousness. I eventually got myself to hospital where the open wound was treated. I stupidly told them I’d got drunk fallen over...i also said I needed to get home for my cat....I have no idea why...we didn’t have a cat. I remember the dr looking at me as if he’d seen it all before and didn’t believe a word of it but after after waiting a while to see if I’d be sick ...they let me go. I don’t know why I didn’t speak up at the hospital...only that I wanted to crawl away and curl in a ball and not have any stressful questions ...insane I know.

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MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 03/10/2020 21:50

I'd say expect anything. As we all said at the time this was incredibly serious. As you realise you are safe I'm guessing in some ways it will be worse - your brain knows you are safe now and can 'react'.

Please book some EMDR for as soon as you humanly can. Your MH could take a very sharp dive to very dark places and you deserve much more than that Flowers

Houserabbit · 03/10/2020 21:51

Everything seems so odd and so sick now...like the fact the large blood stain stayed by the door for ages after because he couldn’t clean it up completely ...either he or I moved the doormat to cover it, I can’t remember which of us..which it only just about did.

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MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 03/10/2020 22:02

I used to watch (for some reason) a lot of real (good quality) crime telly - I'm fascinated by how these people are bought to justice and the psychology of someone that can do this kind of thing and your ex is 100% dangerous AF.

His behaviour post assault can not be construed any other way other than as the actions of a cold hard killer. Extraordinary that he then effectively kept you a prisoner for all of those years almost fooling himself but knowing you were utterly terrified.

I honestly think this is going to take a lot of specialist help and the quicker you get it the better. At least with emdr you'll know it happened and have the memories but they won't have the emotional charge. But there's a lot of fucked up stuff here.

Not very many people survive attempted murder. He meant to kill you. That's a lot to deal with and far too much on your own.

I also wonder about a civil case including compensation against the therapist, or him or both. Having the money to pay the best people to help you will be life changing. Women always say they 'don't like to think about money' but don't think about what money can mean to them. Good therapists. A break away. A break away with good therapists!

MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 03/10/2020 22:05

@Houserabbit

Everything seems so odd and so sick now...like the fact the large blood stain stayed by the door for ages after because he couldn’t clean it up completely ...either he or I moved the doormat to cover it, I can’t remember which of us..which it only just about did.
That is so fucked up. He wanted a reminder. He wanted you not to forget - he wanted you to see it.

Is it possible to press charges? This man is very dangerous and it may help you heal knowing he's been held to account.

And get a SHL and fucking take him apart in the divorce. He took your power for years - regaining it will feel good .

Houserabbit · 03/10/2020 22:10

There are lots of reasons I think my situation ended up as it did re staying so long...some just bad luck some intimidation. I had no family close by and no friends in the country having just moved back to the UK after a long time living overseas. He was all I had (or all I thought I had). I worked from home ...I truly think if I’d had a job in an office people would have noticed something, I would have had a friend...dozen more unfortunate circumstances including that awful therapist.

Equally though, if I hadn’t finally met female friends where I live now, if I hadn’t got my new therapist, and Ironically if it hadn’t been for coronavirus I think I would have stayed in the zombie state forever.

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MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 03/10/2020 22:58

It's so easy to blame ourselves but sometimes it's just circumstances. Things have changed now though and looking back and saying why didn't I leave earlier will not be helpful. It's all about the future now. No one ever does the thing that they should have when they should have done it.

But here's the thing.... things can only get better! (God the Labour Party ruined that song for me. Just before they got worse). But they literally can only get better. It won't be a straight line up though. 🙂

ilikemethewayiam · 03/10/2020 23:06

@Houserabbit, I have been intending to post a very similar question myself. It’s been 12 years since I left my abusive X and as I slowly came out of the fog I became more and more traumatised to the point I definitely developed PTSD. The further away I got from it in time the more shocking the trigger’s and flashbacks. I would feel like I was going to faint. I thought I was losing my mind. I couldn’t believe I stayed for so long. I was a popular, intelligent, strong woman when I met him and was a shell of a human being when I left. I did have some therapy and it did help to some degree but not really with the PTSD. I’m still not over it. Because of the traumatic flashbacks the only way I can deal with it is to completely block it from my memory. Reading the info here I’m going to look into the EMDR. I hope you get the help you need sooner rather than later. Wishing you good health and healing OP, 💐

Sssloou · 03/10/2020 23:29

I just wondered if anyone else had had such a delayed reaction to an assault before, because the thing is, I’m finding that as I adjust to feeling safer I am reliving the assault more now than I did before.

I don’t think that you have had a delayed response to the assault - because the assault carried on until the day you left - it was a continuum - he attacked you but you were still wounded in his cage - “sleeping” with one eye open waiting for the follow on. So “the assault” lasted 3 years. During this time you were just surviving - not loving a muscle.

During threat and crisis our body goes into survival mode - you were in a freeze or flop state (flop is like when a mouse plays dead when caught by a cat so that it will lose interest and drop it - one step on from freeze). During this trauma state your rational thinking brain goes off - line - as all efforts are focused on your emotional brain keeping your body on high alert - and hyper vigilant to any sense any chance of attack so that you are ready to flee.

The assault has only ended last week. You are now just debriefing and going over the 3 year incident. This is emotionally v hard work. Take it easy. You have been through hell - but you are out now. Time now for rest, reflecting and regrowth - take this v slow and gentle.

ilikemethewayiam · 04/10/2020 09:32

@Sssloou

I just wondered if anyone else had had such a delayed reaction to an assault before, because the thing is, I’m finding that as I adjust to feeling safer I am reliving the assault more now than I did before.

I don’t think that you have had a delayed response to the assault - because the assault carried on until the day you left - it was a continuum - he attacked you but you were still wounded in his cage - “sleeping” with one eye open waiting for the follow on. So “the assault” lasted 3 years. During this time you were just surviving - not loving a muscle.

During threat and crisis our body goes into survival mode - you were in a freeze or flop state (flop is like when a mouse plays dead when caught by a cat so that it will lose interest and drop it - one step on from freeze). During this trauma state your rational thinking brain goes off - line - as all efforts are focused on your emotional brain keeping your body on high alert - and hyper vigilant to any sense any chance of attack so that you are ready to flee.

The assault has only ended last week. You are now just debriefing and going over the 3 year incident. This is emotionally v hard work. Take it easy. You have been through hell - but you are out now. Time now for rest, reflecting and regrowth - take this v slow and gentle.

Spot on!, great advice.
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GilbertMarkham · 04/10/2020 10:37

So glad to skip to the end of this thread and see you've left op.

He sounds like a likely candidate to injure or kill you (or any partner).

A man was recently on trial who battered his wife with a hammer and left her unable to speak etc (they have a nine year old child too) and I was not surprised to read that he had previously assaulted her. (At least there was one on record).

Little wonder you have PTSD.

Oh and fwiw before I ever read about the assault/attempted murder I was going to say please leave him - due to the past cheating, lying about it, verbal attack on his friend and slandering you to his friends.

You called him out - rightly - and what happened; he launched a vicious, violent, sustained attack on you and could easily have killed you. He's a dangerous individual. I'm just glad you got away from him. Your life span was looking significantly shorter in that relationship.

Houserabbit · 04/10/2020 10:43

@PamDemic

have you read Pete Walker OP? Lots of this really resonated with me.
No, but I will definitely have a look today. I’m also waking up to the fact that the ptsd is an injury resulting from the attack..just like the physical injuries and not my fault. I was very surprised I got ptsd to such a level...if anyone from my old life knew I’d ended up virtually unable to speak I don’t think they would believe it unless they knew the circumstances as I was always a very chatty person...I was also used to handling stress..another reason this ptsd has shocked me. I was viewed as a confident person before this ...I know it’s a hackneyed thing to say but this can happen to anyone although I do think it’s rare to go on for so long and absolutely wouldn’t have done so in my case if I wasn’t isolated at home
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