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Leaving a 15 year relationship with a manipulator - money

147 replies

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:19

Hi everyone,

I am 56, healthy, have a good job and loving adult children. I have my own home, car and should on paper be fine. However, I woke up recently, and realised that my life was just empty, and completely revolved around the needs of my quiet, undemanding partner. I had not desires, no ability to have fun, nothing to look forward to or interests outside work and home, 1 friend and no intimacy to speak of for 5 years.

I've been in a relationship with this man for 15 years. I have had enough experiences, spoken to enough friends and family, read enough stuff to now know that I have been, and continue to be manipulated.

Without a long drawn out series of explanations about what he has subtly done over the years, lets just say that no-one likes him and it is never his fault for anything. He compains and talks about his work, and yet is not really interested in mine. He relates stories of his life when things were brilliant, and yet cuts me off when I try to talk about my past. He is always 'suffering' somehow, is ill a lot with non-specific (and some clearly true) health issues that disrupt our life, but won't go to the doctor, and he cries at the drop of a hat. He is the master of chair sitting.

I finished the relationship last October. He has refused to leave, many excuses, 6 weeks of counselling resulted in the 'New man, I can change and give you this wonderful life' over and over again, no matter what I say, or how many times I said leave, please just leave!

So he oh so nicely and tearfully explains that because I am taking his whole life away from him, I should pay him from the house. (It is my house which I owned on a mortgage for 15 years before he moved in.) He lived off me for 3 years and then has paid 350-400 a month since then, including all food, and his mobile phone until recently.

So, very long story short, 11 months later he is still here. Due to his nature, he is very quiet and is being oh so nice without actually doing anything to move out.

He basically is asking me to compensate him for the 15 years together and won't move out until he has enough money. He has pushed me and I have offered him 15k, but the house needs repairs to a small extension he paid for over 10 years ago (which is what he says is his beneficial interest in the house) and it will wipe me out.

I am still losing his money each month anyway, so taking a loan as well is not really on just to make his life easier. So I want to back track to 10k. Even my mild mannered mum thinks I am giving him too much, and most of the few friends I havent' been isolated from say I don't owe him anything.

The guilt trips however have been horrendous, its like I have an obligation to him like one of my own kids (who can't stand him btw and are now grown up and left home). From what I understand, this emotional response is due to his manipulation over many years, and whilst I intellectually understand it, I am finding it very hard to fight it.

I don't have a solicitor, and he keeps trying to put me off by saying we can work this out and that he needs a decent home (and I should help him).

I would really appreciate people's thoughts on my situation.

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Adviceneeded20 · 05/09/2020 12:23

You’re not married, he doesn’t own the house.. change the locks and put his things outside!

RantyAnty · 05/09/2020 12:30

He works so he should be able to get a small place of his own.
Set a non moveable deadline so he can quickly get a place, then put his things out and change the locks.
He can't refuse to leave.

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:31

Easy said, and I have been told that too. But, I still have this feeling of being resonsible for him that won't go away.

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chipsandpeas · 05/09/2020 12:33

change the locks when hes out and leave his stuff on the door step
do not give him a penny

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:34

Considering he has never even raised his voice to me (seriously he never ever shouts)...why do I feel fear when faced with the idea of doing this to him?

I mean, I would be ok with giving him 10 if he will go quietly, cos I would have enough to do the repairs, but he wants 15, originally wanted 30!

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Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:35

I feel like I have Stockholm syndrome or something Blush

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marriednotdead · 05/09/2020 12:36

You have been beyond patient. His desire to change nothing do not trump your right to peace and happiness.

As he's so dug in and you wish to be polite, send a solicitors letter outlining that the relationship ended on X date, he has had Y months to find alternative accommodation and point out that he has declined your previous offer of a generous sum of money.
Having taken advice (he doesn't need to know who from), your previous offer has now been withdrawn. You will pay the deposit and 3 months rent on a 1 bedroom property ideally many miles away on the condition he is gone by the end of the month, if not, that money will be spent evicting him in the courts (or throwing a party after the police remove him for trespassing!)

He has lived a good life at your expense. Times up.

marriednotdead · 05/09/2020 12:39

@Cyclepath777

Considering he has never even raised his voice to me (seriously he never ever shouts)...why do I feel fear when faced with the idea of doing this to him?

I mean, I would be ok with giving him 10 if he will go quietly, cos I would have enough to do the repairs, but he wants 15, originally wanted 30!

How bloody dare he Angry

Since when has being in a relationship with him cost £2K p.a.?!

Perhaps he should find himself a sugar mummy. Oh wait, he thinks he's already got one...

7yo7yo · 05/09/2020 12:39

Don’t give him a penny.
Get your grown up kids round to support you, pack his shit and change the locks.

UgaBaluga82 · 05/09/2020 12:40

Honestly, you are making this much harder than it needs to be.

As you are not married and the house is solely in your name, you don't owe him anything.

If he's only been paying a few hundred per month for the last decade or so it seems that he's had it very easy indeed.

Next time he's out, change the locks and pack up his stuff.

The relationship is over, he needs to leave and as much as he may bleat about money, legally he's not entitled to anything.

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:44

He said he wants to talk today. I know it will likely involve more promises and justifications, or a delay to him actually moving out with the 15k. He already mentioned a 'mauling' from my daughter just from her trying to talk to him, so he has his victimhood ready.

The thing is, If I take Marriednotdead's advice (which is so welcome, thank you) should I mention it or not when we have the 'conversation'? I so want to say, I withdraw my offer, but I am a bit of a coward cos I know he will end up having a sobbing meltdown and telling me I am ruining his life and I am so cruel.

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Sssloou · 05/09/2020 12:45

This needs some sharp sunlight to expose what’s insidiously going on here. The eyes and presence of another adult will have the loser scuttling off.

I would spend a couple of hundred quid upfront with a solicitor to understand if he has any claim / interest. Otherwise he is likely to spin this out and waste your money on futile legal fees anyway.

Just by his procrastination he has sucked at least £10k out of you since last Oct when he should have been financing himself.

I am glad you have had your awakening - but seems like FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) is trapping you. These are ALWAYS the wrong reasons to live your life.

I believe once he has gone - you won’t look back. Give him a deadline (don’t be too generous) and get a friend to be present to encourage him to leave. Lock all your processions and bank cards away.

TimelyManor · 05/09/2020 12:50

Do you have a paper trail of who paid for what during those 15 years?

I know Women's Aid are snowed under just now but they would be able to help you. At least to recommend a solicitor. This man is abusive. He doesn't need to raise his voice. You feel fear because the most dangerous time for a women is ending a relationship or just after.

He has you well and truly where he wants you. Yes, he is manipulating you. Try saying 'no' to him today, over anything, something small, see how he reacts.

marriednotdead · 05/09/2020 12:55

The conversation needs to be short and driven by you. You will not be giving him money as you have realised that to do so would be leaving you with debt. (Remember he has had 15 years to save his own and you are not his piggy bank). Strange how his first thought is about how much money he can squeeze out of you rather than how he stands to lose YOU Hmm

You want him out by the end of the month. The time for change and negotiations has long gone. He needs to put his energies into finding somewhere else to live.
He may cry and wring his hands, it's no longer your problem.

Solicitors do appointments online now, you don't even need to leave the house to see one Wink

TimelyManor · 05/09/2020 12:55

@Cyclepath777

He said he wants to talk today. I know it will likely involve more promises and justifications, or a delay to him actually moving out with the 15k. He already mentioned a 'mauling' from my daughter just from her trying to talk to him, so he has his victimhood ready.

The thing is, If I take Marriednotdead's advice (which is so welcome, thank you) should I mention it or not when we have the 'conversation'? I so want to say, I withdraw my offer, but I am a bit of a coward cos I know he will end up having a sobbing meltdown and telling me I am ruining his life and I am so cruel.

No, I wouldn't mention your offer at all. Take legal advice before there's any more of that. Let him say what he wants to say today (I recommend putting a timer on - don't give him too long!) then tell him you'll need to take time to think about what he has said and walk away.

If he starts with the tears, stay hard, don't be manipulated by them, they're just a tool he's using, they're meaningless. Walk away.

Sssloou · 05/09/2020 12:55

KNOW that your guilt is his abuse.

Get your adult DC to come over and calmly and peacefully pack his stuff.

Have zero conversations with him. There is no negotiation any longer.

Do not try to explain, defend, justify yourself to him. He hasn’t been listening.

No more words. Just actions.

Get your family and friends to intervene - calmly and peacefully. No more discussions.

They will be delighted to help.

Then get crack open the champagne.

Look up covert narcissist or The Water Torturer. That’s who he is.
No need to raise his voice or fists - his persistent low grade bleating has achieved what he set out to do - cocklodge for 15 years.

I feel suffocated just reading your post.

He’s vile.

marriednotdead · 05/09/2020 12:56

Can you pinpoint what your fear is?

A police escort to help him leave can be arranged...

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:57

He will be home in about an hour and will then sleep all afternoon...I am going out food shopping with my mum Smile.

I expect the talking will happen this evening.

You are right Ssslou, I think I am in a FOG, and you and others here are helping me to see through it.

I need to be strong about this and not be taken in by his crocodile tears.

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Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 13:00

@marriednotdead

Can you pinpoint what your fear is?

A police escort to help him leave can be arranged...

No I can't understand where the fear comes from as there has never been a hint of violence and he comes across as mild mannered.

Having said that, I said to him a couple of times in the past, that I felt that he was the only man I had ever met that I thought might hit me. I don't know why that is, an underlying hidden menace that I can sense but not put my finger on.

I have never been physically abused by anyone though.

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Sssloou · 05/09/2020 13:02

Never talk to a manipulator any and every word will be twisted and weaponised against you.

Your anxiety is because you know he is dangerous and manipulative.

Get your family to issue the deadline. Has he somewhere to go as a stop gap? A friend? A cheap hotel?

He will continues to be stubborn and vindictive. That’s why you need others to stand over him.

Purplewithred · 05/09/2020 13:06

He will move out when you detach from him, stop listening to him, and throw him out. And very reasonably you know that's going to be really hard for you to do because he's adept at making you feel guilty and responsible and bad.

You could get some counselling which might help you get past your feelings of guilt/responsibility so you find it easier to make him leave.

You certainly need to stop thinking 'conversation'. You are at the stage of TELLING him what is happening, and you have absolutely no interest in his whining pathetic manipulative victimhood opinions.

If it makes it easier for you give him the £10k.

Lots of other excellent advice above, and crucially you know your daughters and 99% of the Nest of Vipers here have your back.

marriednotdead · 05/09/2020 13:07

Having said that, I said to him a couple of times in the past, that I felt that he was the only man I had ever met that I thought might hit me. I don't know why that is, an underlying hidden menace that I can sense but not put my finger on.

And you've given him that as ammunition which he keeps quietly in plain sight.

I have never been physically abused by anyone though.
There are so many forms of abuse. And sometimes the non violent ones are scary too.

Keep your eye on the goal, YOUR freedom, and make sure anything you do from now on has that in mind.

marriednotdead · 05/09/2020 13:09

I agree with Purplewithred, except for the giving him £10K. Better HIM be bitter with the money still in YOUR account than the other way round!

updownroundandround · 05/09/2020 13:11

@ Cyclepath777

Do not have any more 'talks' with him. They are designed to grind you down and pull on your sympathy/ compassion so that he can get as much cash as possible for himself. Hmm. Tell him you're ill/ have a headache whatever, but you're not up for any chats/ discussions.

  1. See solicitor asap. Make an appointment today.
  2. Arrange for locksmith to come 10am Mon (or 1st day he's working) to change the locks and put security chains on the front and back doors.
  3. Block him on phone/ email/ SM so he cannot contact you.

Then, as soon as he's gone to work, get all locks changed and pack all his shit into black bags which he can pick up from other DC's/ friends house (so he does not have any reason to see you).

If it's at all possible, have one of your adult DC move back until you have got him moved out and for a week or two after (so he can never get you alone/ play on your sympathies/ get cash from you by guilting you etc.)

Text him telling him that as he has not moved out since you told him to last Oct when you ended the relationship, you have now taken matters into your own hands. Tell him where to collect his stuff and that he is never to come to your house or contact you again.( Or you will phone the police to have him removed/ charge him with harassment)

Go to solicitor appointment to see if he could have any claim on your house and what your next move should be.

Unless you take control and make changes, you're still going to be in the same situation this time next year FGS !

Enough with playing Mrs Nice guy ! He's using you !

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 13:12

I agreed with him that he will leave by the end of the month with the 15k. I think he should leave by the end of the month with 0

My daughter said 2 weeks or she won't speak to him again, to which he said 'your choice' (this is a person he says he is devasted to lose).

My son is coming up to see me on Wednesday/Thursday and is intending to have a word too. He considers him to be a cautionary tale for his life lol.

I can't thank you all enough for your advice and support.

I rang womens aid but I feel like I shouldn't waste their time what with all those women getting beaten up and such . They havent called me back yet anyway.

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