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Leaving a 15 year relationship with a manipulator - money

147 replies

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:19

Hi everyone,

I am 56, healthy, have a good job and loving adult children. I have my own home, car and should on paper be fine. However, I woke up recently, and realised that my life was just empty, and completely revolved around the needs of my quiet, undemanding partner. I had not desires, no ability to have fun, nothing to look forward to or interests outside work and home, 1 friend and no intimacy to speak of for 5 years.

I've been in a relationship with this man for 15 years. I have had enough experiences, spoken to enough friends and family, read enough stuff to now know that I have been, and continue to be manipulated.

Without a long drawn out series of explanations about what he has subtly done over the years, lets just say that no-one likes him and it is never his fault for anything. He compains and talks about his work, and yet is not really interested in mine. He relates stories of his life when things were brilliant, and yet cuts me off when I try to talk about my past. He is always 'suffering' somehow, is ill a lot with non-specific (and some clearly true) health issues that disrupt our life, but won't go to the doctor, and he cries at the drop of a hat. He is the master of chair sitting.

I finished the relationship last October. He has refused to leave, many excuses, 6 weeks of counselling resulted in the 'New man, I can change and give you this wonderful life' over and over again, no matter what I say, or how many times I said leave, please just leave!

So he oh so nicely and tearfully explains that because I am taking his whole life away from him, I should pay him from the house. (It is my house which I owned on a mortgage for 15 years before he moved in.) He lived off me for 3 years and then has paid 350-400 a month since then, including all food, and his mobile phone until recently.

So, very long story short, 11 months later he is still here. Due to his nature, he is very quiet and is being oh so nice without actually doing anything to move out.

He basically is asking me to compensate him for the 15 years together and won't move out until he has enough money. He has pushed me and I have offered him 15k, but the house needs repairs to a small extension he paid for over 10 years ago (which is what he says is his beneficial interest in the house) and it will wipe me out.

I am still losing his money each month anyway, so taking a loan as well is not really on just to make his life easier. So I want to back track to 10k. Even my mild mannered mum thinks I am giving him too much, and most of the few friends I havent' been isolated from say I don't owe him anything.

The guilt trips however have been horrendous, its like I have an obligation to him like one of my own kids (who can't stand him btw and are now grown up and left home). From what I understand, this emotional response is due to his manipulation over many years, and whilst I intellectually understand it, I am finding it very hard to fight it.

I don't have a solicitor, and he keeps trying to put me off by saying we can work this out and that he needs a decent home (and I should help him).

I would really appreciate people's thoughts on my situation.

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PersonaNonGarter · 05/09/2020 20:08

Get the solicitor, definitely.

You have been SAVING him money. Where has his cash gone?

Your D.C. are your priority, and you’re theirs. Listen to them - they will keep you right.

PersonaNonGarter · 05/09/2020 20:10

Oh, and STOP TALKING TO HIM.

There is nothing left to say. Except ‘due to your unreasonableness, I have withdrawn my offer. Now leave.’

Please don’t pay him. You must not go to work to earn for your abuser.

shazzz1xx · 05/09/2020 20:13

PLEASE DONT GIVE HIM ANY MONEY.. spend it on your beautiful children... get him out ASAP.. HE IS ONLY BEEN NICE BECAUSE HE CAN TELL YOUR AT THE END OF YOUR TETHER..
good luck hun 😘 x

scoobydoo1971 · 05/09/2020 20:13

You have received excellent advice here from mumsnetters. Please do not give this man money. He is a cocklodging scrounger with no dignity nor pride. Be thankful you are not married. You need to think about your retirement years and funding them...not paying for this man. He won't take you to court, it is very complicated and expensive to do that. You could quietly add a particular element to your property insurance (I have this). It is legal protection against anyone making claims against you or your property. A court would look at what he contributed to the household over the years, and deem that he is owed nothing.

Your children are going to help you to evict him so accept their assistance in this matter. Please tell this man at the point of eviction never to contact you again. Change the locks and block his number on your phone. He will leech off you for as long as he can, don't let him.

Bananalanacake · 05/09/2020 20:16

He cries at the drop of a hat? I would have no respect for such a pathetic, snivelling little worthless shit. Excellent advice on here, as always.

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 20:35

Ok, I am keeping things cool, and will talk to a solicitor on Monday, I am not sure I have the balls to do it without some sort of legal backing, even just a letter.

He just came in and asked if I wanted chips from the chippy, I said no thanks, then asked if I wanted a beer, said yes (well, why not its Saturday night!). He just brought it to me and went back downstairs...singing.

He has never been a singer, but recently he has been singing and whistling around the house...

btw, I have offers of burly men should that become necessary Smile

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Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 20:43

Btw, I keep popping back here because the support is amazing thank you. Because of the social isolation, I have few people to bounce this off and to get things 'real' in my head. I don't want over-burden them.

The more I cut myself off from interaction with him, the more memories are coming back, its like a slow awakening...the more I remember, the stronger I am getting.

I spoke to my friend who was very encouraged and surprised at my son (she knows him, this is out of character, 24yr old pacifist lol) and I am rather proud of his stance and offer to come and help.

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Sssloou · 05/09/2020 21:35

You are not over burdening your friends.

They all dislike the grimy snivelling toad and will be high-fiving your news. They will have been wishing for you to see the light for years.

Tell them the good news - brighten their day. They will be proud of you.

PersonaNonGarter · 05/09/2020 22:41

I agree with the poster above - say no and imagine the joy of giving £7.5k to each of your lovely children instead.

Think what they could do with the money! Don’t give it to this shit bag. Give it to them.

Remember to tell your solicitor that your ex-P has manipulated you and that all agreements were made under duress.

Oh, btw, if you don’t want a solicitor you can always kick ex-P out and invite him to get a solicitor and come after you (he might try, he won’t get far).

Rainbowqueeen · 05/09/2020 22:50

As a pp said, he’s had 15 years of living on 13 quid a day. He should have a massive nest egg saved to fund his next move. He probably does and just isn’t telling you.

Go with your sons plan. Just get rid.

Milliepossum · 05/09/2020 23:19

Please be careful OP, he sounds very entitled and manipulative. These men are dangerous when they don’t get their way. Your reluctance to remove him from your house is probably your gut telling you that you need help because he could get nasty. He’s probably just seeming to agree with your plan without believing it will happen. In his head he probably thinks bringing you a drink has won you over because in his mind he’s this fantastic person and that you should put him before everyone else including you. I agree with pp that he should have his own savings that you have facilitated at your expense, and that you need other adults in your house right now to help you get him out.

updownroundandround · 06/09/2020 17:12

Agree totally with other posters that he's only being ''nice'' as he thinks it's a way to deter you from standing up for yourself ! No bloody wonder he's ''whistling'' ! He thinks he's getting 15k at the end of the bloody month ! Angry Wanker !

Great to hear your son and daughter are coming tomorrow to help you get rid of him, but why are you giving him more time to move ?
He's had since last fucking Oct to leave..................Hmm. Do you honestly think it's in your best interests to give him more time ?

He hasn't had your best interests in mind when he's refused to leave, has he ? He's already had 11 bloody months to leave ffs !

Stop putting his ''needs'' before yours !

  1. Say ''yes please'' to the offer of big burly men being present when required. (even just to come round if phoned by you)
  2. You and your DC pack up all his shit in bags.(put in garage or your DC's place for collection.
  3. You have all locks changed.
  4. You text/email him and inform him that you have thrown him out and all his stuff is at DC's place/ in garage and must be collected by Tues evening or will be sent to charity shop. Also, he will not be getting any money from you, ever.
  5. Block him on your phone and all SM.

Book in the locksmith for Mon am now ! He's LEAVING Mon am, whether HE bloody likes it or NOT !

updownroundandround · 06/09/2020 17:23

Sorry, that sounded really bossy Blush It wasn't intended to be Blush

I'm just so frustrated for you.....................

You've delayed, procrastinated, avoided etc etc for 11 months now...............and you're still doing it...................just because you feel guilty.

But you have nothing to feel guilty about ! Nothing !

You have provided this man with a lovely, comfortable home and lifestyle, maid service, laundry service, chef and waitress service, personal shopper, therapist, sex partner..................ALL totally FREE for 3 years, then for a measly 300-400 a month after that................................and he has NOT repaid YOU for all that, has he ?

PLEASE stop letting him get away with taking the piss out of you !

If I was your friend in RL, I'd be there, in person, until this shitbag of a bloke was gone !

I'll be thinking about you, and wishing strength for you tomorrow.

Flowers
updownroundandround · 06/09/2020 17:28

Op, please read this posters experience and the replies on MN.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4012665-To-End-Relationship-Because-Partner-Blocks-Me

I'm so hoping some of this will resonate with you and help you stop feeling so guilty, because you have nothing to feel guilty for.

Cyclepath777 · 06/09/2020 20:31

@updownroundandround thanks I will read the thread, I understand your frustration, and if it was anyone else I would be saying the same thing. Flowers

Anyhoo....update.

Today he comes to me and says he is going out to look at a boat, and off he goes. Now, I know that there is a small case of a non-refundable deposit if he was to agree a boat. With a conversation with my mate, this is an opportunity to indicate to him that he might not get the money.

I told him my credit rating has been affected by my searching for a loan over the last few months to pay him, and that I will be looking into it on Monday.

As this was something he warned me about, he totally got it and talked about delay, and that he had looked at one boat that wasn't any good anyway Hmm. Then went into the old, flats are shit and houses are too expensive blah blah.

At which point I made my excuses and back in my room writing this.

My kids can't realistically come up until Wednesday, and their presence will be more powerful than any mate of a mate, without the dodgy threatening behaviour stuff.

I am calling a solicitor tomorrow, I will tell them what has been going on, and the way he is refusing to leave without money.

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Cyclepath777 · 06/09/2020 20:35

Oh..and he tells me he still has hope that we can turn the relationship round...really?!!!! After all this?

He really is not quite right is he?

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HollowTalk · 06/09/2020 20:44

I'm so glad your children are on board. They sound like a force to be reckoned with.

What was the agreement over the extension money?

You say: He lived off me for 3 years and then has paid 350-400 a month since then, including all food, and his mobile phone until recently.

I don't think you owe him a penny. He's had a bloody marvellous time financially, hasn't he?

HollowTalk · 06/09/2020 20:46

Sorry, I meant to add this - how much would rent in your area have cost throughout that time? Make a note of how much you spent on gas, electric, TV licence, insurance, internet, council tax etc etc per year compared to what he paid. Don't forget the three years of not paying a penny - that extension money wouldn't even cover that.

Itsjustabitofbanter · 06/09/2020 20:50

Dear lord op! Get that man out of your house!! I’d come round and move him out myself if I knew where you were. And don’t you dare give him a penny!!

RandomMess · 06/09/2020 20:51

It's your house, he's paid to rent a room/lodgings, your not married, he has no rights!

alfrew · 06/09/2020 21:04

Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here OP, or did you say he hasn't paid you anything since you told him to leave last year?

Cyclepath777 · 06/09/2020 21:49

@alfrew No, he increased it from 350 to 400 lol....wooo!

Although I have to admit, I didn't push for more as I didn't want him to say he had an even bigger stake in the house....yeah, yeah I know...that was then, before my eyes opened and my memory started coming back. It's funny actually, the way that this kind of manipulation can make you forget, and distance (or just not talking to him) can bring things back.

for example, the other day we had a discussion about the lack of intimacy (last 5 years, practically none). I said that he never responded to me putting my arm round him, things like that. He responded that I pushed him away...and off I went feeling something was off but at the time I had no quick response to give him.

From what I am starting to understand, this is because, something in this kind of long-term psychological abuse causes a form of amnesia.

Anyway, its been about 4 days, and suddenly I remember why I pushed him away when he tried to be intimate...because, imagine he has been nowhere near you for a good few months, you walk past him and he grabs your boobs or crotch out of the blue and rubs up you...what would be your reaction?

I explained to him several times that he needed to start slowly, particularly as we had been lacking in this area for so long...but he then blamed me...see above.

Rinse and repeat.

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TimelyManor · 07/09/2020 11:27

He went for the aggressive approach re the intimacy so you would push him away.

Everything will be your fault. If my ex ever took any responsibility for anything it was along the lines of "It was my fault for not telling you ..." whatever, and lo the blame was at my door yet again.

Good luck with the solicitor.

Cyclepath777 · 07/09/2020 12:42

The solicitor was not much help in so far as he said from his perspective it requires an occupation order, which can take several weeks.

He advised me to talk to Womens Aid/Shelter about what exDP's rights are from a housing perspective if I do the change the locks including whether he would have any right to call the police to regain entry to 'his home'.

Awaiting a call back from Womens Aid, Shelter did not want to help possibly because I am the other side of the fence they usually deal with.

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Horsemad · 07/09/2020 12:59

Ring a different solicitor, they're not all good! 😉