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Leaving a 15 year relationship with a manipulator - money

147 replies

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:19

Hi everyone,

I am 56, healthy, have a good job and loving adult children. I have my own home, car and should on paper be fine. However, I woke up recently, and realised that my life was just empty, and completely revolved around the needs of my quiet, undemanding partner. I had not desires, no ability to have fun, nothing to look forward to or interests outside work and home, 1 friend and no intimacy to speak of for 5 years.

I've been in a relationship with this man for 15 years. I have had enough experiences, spoken to enough friends and family, read enough stuff to now know that I have been, and continue to be manipulated.

Without a long drawn out series of explanations about what he has subtly done over the years, lets just say that no-one likes him and it is never his fault for anything. He compains and talks about his work, and yet is not really interested in mine. He relates stories of his life when things were brilliant, and yet cuts me off when I try to talk about my past. He is always 'suffering' somehow, is ill a lot with non-specific (and some clearly true) health issues that disrupt our life, but won't go to the doctor, and he cries at the drop of a hat. He is the master of chair sitting.

I finished the relationship last October. He has refused to leave, many excuses, 6 weeks of counselling resulted in the 'New man, I can change and give you this wonderful life' over and over again, no matter what I say, or how many times I said leave, please just leave!

So he oh so nicely and tearfully explains that because I am taking his whole life away from him, I should pay him from the house. (It is my house which I owned on a mortgage for 15 years before he moved in.) He lived off me for 3 years and then has paid 350-400 a month since then, including all food, and his mobile phone until recently.

So, very long story short, 11 months later he is still here. Due to his nature, he is very quiet and is being oh so nice without actually doing anything to move out.

He basically is asking me to compensate him for the 15 years together and won't move out until he has enough money. He has pushed me and I have offered him 15k, but the house needs repairs to a small extension he paid for over 10 years ago (which is what he says is his beneficial interest in the house) and it will wipe me out.

I am still losing his money each month anyway, so taking a loan as well is not really on just to make his life easier. So I want to back track to 10k. Even my mild mannered mum thinks I am giving him too much, and most of the few friends I havent' been isolated from say I don't owe him anything.

The guilt trips however have been horrendous, its like I have an obligation to him like one of my own kids (who can't stand him btw and are now grown up and left home). From what I understand, this emotional response is due to his manipulation over many years, and whilst I intellectually understand it, I am finding it very hard to fight it.

I don't have a solicitor, and he keeps trying to put me off by saying we can work this out and that he needs a decent home (and I should help him).

I would really appreciate people's thoughts on my situation.

OP posts:
Cyclepath777 · 07/09/2020 14:14

I eventually spoke to really nice woman at Womens Aid who consulted with her colleagues, who all agreed:

I should get him out as soon as possible, as he has had plenty of time to leave, and he is blackmailing me by refusing to leave without money.

I should call the police to advise them of what I am going to do

I should then take my son up on the offer to help me move him out on Thursday.

My daughter is coming back from her holiday today, I have asked my son to discuss it with her, he thinks it is likely she will come too.

This shit is about to get real I think...

OP posts:
RandomMess · 07/09/2020 14:15

Yep crack on and get it done.

TimelyManor · 07/09/2020 14:29

That's good progress, Cycle. Hope all goes well on Thursday.

updownroundandround · 07/09/2020 15:00

Brilliant news, excellent Grin

I'm so glad you're staying strong and moving forwards. Flowers

Totally agree with @ Horsemad, not all solicitors are good, and it sounds like you got a real lemon with that one ! Hmm

Noshowlomo · 07/09/2020 15:40

Great update OP! What a pathetic man. £15k just to leave and because he hasn’t got anything sorted for himself ... nope!

Sssloou · 07/09/2020 16:33

You are being really resourceful accessing WA, lawyer and seeking help from your DCs.

You have a really clear direction and approach.

Please do as WA advise and log it with the police beforehand so that you can tell him this on the day and you or DCs call them if needed.

Keep throwing sunlight in it - as many people are in the loop and he knows this the quicker he will scuttle away under a rock.

Also block him on everything (including DCs phones) afterwards and tip off work and/or friends, family in case he decides to drop in / pop up somewhere.

Have something planned with a friend for after Thursday. Keep yourself socially connected.

PersonaNonGarter · 07/09/2020 20:10

OP Well done, that’s a brilliant update. Please keep us posted.

positivelynegative · 07/09/2020 20:19

Blackmail. Make sure you are clear with him on that.
Good luck OP.

BrowncoatWaffles · 08/09/2020 10:11

This all sounds very positive. I'm sure the next few days will feel a bit nerve wracking, but you have so much support both from your children and from expert agencies etc that you've got this.

Don't look now but you might be living in peace and enjoying your own space without him sucking the joy from everything very soon.

Also, your children sound lovely!

Noshowlomo · 08/09/2020 12:30

How are things today OP?

Cyclepath777 · 09/09/2020 00:07

Update:

Thanks everyone, things are moving forwards.

Both my kids are coming up by train to arrive at 9pm (after his bedtime) and we are going out for a late meal. He knows my son is coming but not my daughter, so she will sleep with me on Wednesday evening.

My mum has offered boxes Smile and encouragement, and my mate is keeping close tabs on me lol

The locksmith is booked for 10am on Thursday.

I had a bit of a conversation with him today, he has noticed my grey walling and asked why. I told him I didn't want to talk about it, he asked about the money and I said I was talking to the bank but he should leave anyway. He just said we had an agreement, to which I answered that I didnt't think it was fair...and then he said, well, its not fair to either of us!!!! Oh I forgot to mention before, he originally demanded 30k and stuck with that for 6 months...

When he got nothing from me, he started to love bomb me...

You are my soul mate, I love you more than anything, I can only talk to you, you are my best friend, I know that we can sort this out if you only give me a chance, now that I have had therapy (6 weeks 1 hr phone) I know what i did wrong, please give me a chance to get it right, I don't agree with you that it is too late...

...which is the killer statement. Obviously I don't know my own mind and I am wrong and should just do what he wants. Hmm

And it moved me not one jot...went round my mums for dinner...Grin

Don' get me wrong though, for this to happen to anyone is horrible, even if they are.

OP posts:
Cyclepath777 · 09/09/2020 00:13

Oh...my kids have been on the phone constantly, giving me support.

I know everyone's kids are special, but I am overwhelmed by the way they have both stepped up with such love, and without anger or bitterness, but because they know it is the right thing to do.

I am so proud of them I could burst!

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Longsight2019 · 09/09/2020 00:27

Lovely to hear that your kids are really there for you when needed.

As someone else said, keep your cash for you and them. It isn’t to waste on some fool like him. It’s too hard to come by.

My uncle moved a lady in who used him to facilitate a stupid high risk business idea. It made zero cash and took up all her time.

Even though he funded her through it with low contributions from her for living costs, he still wrote her a cheque for £5k when she left and moved back in to her own home.

Does he regret it every day five years on? You bet he does!!

Give him nothing other than a list of financial facts outlining how he’s taken financial advantage.

billy1966 · 09/09/2020 06:02

Your children sound wonderful.
They must be so pleased to know that you are getting this leech out of your house finally.

You have definitely been in an abusive relationship.

Don't give him a penny.
Best of luck.
Flowers

SingingInTheShithouse · 09/09/2020 08:26

A friend of ours was in exactly your situation, though he ended the relationship & then refused to move out. He only did move on when he somehow got himself a girlfriend. I'd seriously consider hiring someone's own flirt with & spend time with him based on that.

As for the 15k, you owe him absolutely nothing, but if you must give in to this cocklodgers guilt trip. Find him somewhere else to live, pay the deposit & dump his stuff there & give him the keys. That is more than enough. DH did that with his lodger & old school mate when I moved in as I refused to move in until he was gone, as lovely as he is, I just knew he'd never leave.

If you must pay him off, the money is reduced because he won't leave. Your original offer of £15k was based on him leaving then, it's gone down & will continue to go down as he hasn't kept to his end of the bargain & left.

& as above, you can just kick him out. Give him a date, tell him he's out by then our you will be throwing him out & will be changing the locks. The police will even help you. I went through it with a Narc ex & they were brilliant

Viviennemary · 09/09/2020 08:33

You need to see a solicitor and put all this on a legal footing. Obviously he needs to go. And you need to stop being manipulated. I don't agree with putting people's stuff in black bags. N

SingingInTheShithouse · 09/09/2020 08:37

Just seen your updates. 🤞🤞🤞 everything crossed for you. Make, "I owe him nothing, everything I do is a big favour he does not deserve" & repeat in your head at any time you feel the guilt creeping in. Yiu are going to feel so relieved when he's gone😊

Viviennemary · 09/09/2020 08:41

Sorry didn't see your updates.

ABCDay · 09/09/2020 08:42

Good update, OP Smile. Just make sure he doesn't have access to any of your paperwork when you're out. I wouldn't trust him an inch.

Joistlooking · 09/09/2020 09:06

Good LuckFlowers

Weenurse · 09/09/2020 09:22

Good luck 💐

HazelBite · 09/09/2020 11:05

Hope all goes well on Thursday Flowers

Cyclepath777 · 09/09/2020 15:38

@Viviennemary

You need to see a solicitor and put all this on a legal footing. Obviously he needs to go. And you need to stop being manipulated. I don't agree with putting people's stuff in black bags. N
Yeah...tried everything else for 11 months, solicitors weren't much help tbh as they believed due to his behaviour that he would still take it to the wire, even without the money being agreed and he could drag this out for months and months. Don't worry, I will take his stuff to his mums...I am not doing this lightly.
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pointythings · 09/09/2020 15:38

Am keeping my fingers crossed for you for tomorrow. Good riddance to the scummy cocklodger.

Noshowlomo · 10/09/2020 09:11

Good luck today OP!!