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Leaving a 15 year relationship with a manipulator - money

147 replies

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:19

Hi everyone,

I am 56, healthy, have a good job and loving adult children. I have my own home, car and should on paper be fine. However, I woke up recently, and realised that my life was just empty, and completely revolved around the needs of my quiet, undemanding partner. I had not desires, no ability to have fun, nothing to look forward to or interests outside work and home, 1 friend and no intimacy to speak of for 5 years.

I've been in a relationship with this man for 15 years. I have had enough experiences, spoken to enough friends and family, read enough stuff to now know that I have been, and continue to be manipulated.

Without a long drawn out series of explanations about what he has subtly done over the years, lets just say that no-one likes him and it is never his fault for anything. He compains and talks about his work, and yet is not really interested in mine. He relates stories of his life when things were brilliant, and yet cuts me off when I try to talk about my past. He is always 'suffering' somehow, is ill a lot with non-specific (and some clearly true) health issues that disrupt our life, but won't go to the doctor, and he cries at the drop of a hat. He is the master of chair sitting.

I finished the relationship last October. He has refused to leave, many excuses, 6 weeks of counselling resulted in the 'New man, I can change and give you this wonderful life' over and over again, no matter what I say, or how many times I said leave, please just leave!

So he oh so nicely and tearfully explains that because I am taking his whole life away from him, I should pay him from the house. (It is my house which I owned on a mortgage for 15 years before he moved in.) He lived off me for 3 years and then has paid 350-400 a month since then, including all food, and his mobile phone until recently.

So, very long story short, 11 months later he is still here. Due to his nature, he is very quiet and is being oh so nice without actually doing anything to move out.

He basically is asking me to compensate him for the 15 years together and won't move out until he has enough money. He has pushed me and I have offered him 15k, but the house needs repairs to a small extension he paid for over 10 years ago (which is what he says is his beneficial interest in the house) and it will wipe me out.

I am still losing his money each month anyway, so taking a loan as well is not really on just to make his life easier. So I want to back track to 10k. Even my mild mannered mum thinks I am giving him too much, and most of the few friends I havent' been isolated from say I don't owe him anything.

The guilt trips however have been horrendous, its like I have an obligation to him like one of my own kids (who can't stand him btw and are now grown up and left home). From what I understand, this emotional response is due to his manipulation over many years, and whilst I intellectually understand it, I am finding it very hard to fight it.

I don't have a solicitor, and he keeps trying to put me off by saying we can work this out and that he needs a decent home (and I should help him).

I would really appreciate people's thoughts on my situation.

OP posts:
SuitedandBooted · 05/09/2020 13:13

He has had a very cushy financial deal for many years. It's not your fault that he didn't save money (or did he??).

If it wasn't for you, he would have had to pay all his own living expenses during those years. You owe him nothing.

Solicitor's advice and letter, - adult children for support, and OUT!

willowmelangell · 05/09/2020 13:14

Put a box of tissues on the table and say ' I want you out of my house by midday Monday. No more excuses or stalling. There is nothing else to discuss.'
Then walk away. Answer every plea with 3 word answers.
Not my problem.
You've had months.
No more money.
Find a hotel.
I'm not interested.

Good luck x

Sarahlou63 · 05/09/2020 13:14

Just because he 'wants' to talk, you don't have to. Remember that.

Panicwiththebisto · 05/09/2020 13:14

For the 3 years he lived off you, add up per month:
His share of council tax
His share of food & drink, toiletries etc.
His share of utility costs including his mobile (if you paid for it)
His “rent”
His share of holidays/trips
His transport costs
Any clothes bought for him
Any other of his debts you paid off

I’m sure this will come to more than 350 - 400 a month

So you owe him nothing and he owes you loads

He does not deserve any money from you to move out he’s a just a sponge and a chancer.

Tell him you will be kind and let him stay until end of September by which time he needs to have moved himself and his stuff out of your house. Where he goes or how he arranges and pays for it is not your problem.

willowmelangell · 05/09/2020 13:15

x post! x

Panicwiththebisto · 05/09/2020 13:16

Let him “talk to the hand” and the hand says “no, you’re leaving matey”

RandomMess · 05/09/2020 13:24

"I have taken legal advice, you are entitled to nothing. You will have to take me to court to try and get anything" then walk away from his crocodile tears.

Bollocks to end the month he has 3 days he can go to an air B&B you will store his stuff for 2 months whilst he sorts out a rental.

Honestly you just need to get angry at him, he is a cock lodger but paying board instead of cock.

There is no nice way to end this so you may as well stop trying.

Gather evidence of all the household bills etc. He is trying it on with the legal claim and he knows it. If he brings a justifiable claim then you can settle out of court.

RhymesWithOrange · 05/09/2020 13:25

I'd get all the friends and family you can gather around you, bag up his stuff while he's out and barricade yourselves into the house. If he gets nasty then call the police.

Don't give him a penny!

If you're not married he has zero rights to live in the house.

AhNowTed · 05/09/2020 13:29

As others have said, he's been housed, heated, fed and watered for the paltry sum of £13 a day.

No grown man can live for that.

You have saved him a fortune and subsidised his living for long enough.

You owe him nothing.

Sssloou · 05/09/2020 13:33

How do you feel now?

Relief that the end is in sight and bitter that he has turned you over?

Well take back the power by stealth.

Manipulate him.

Let him believe he is in for £15K in order to set him off out of the traps looking for somewhere else.

Then don’t give it.

YOU need this more than him - in these uncertain times. YOUR DCs might need support down the line.

Invest it in your own recovery - splash out on some therapy - plan and fund a celebratory release trip.

Or just don’t go into debt for this cocklodging wanker at this stage of your life.

marriednotdead · 05/09/2020 13:38

Please note that not a single person in your life or on this thread has suggested that he is right or reasonable.

He's keeping you on the back foot so that you can't find enough mental energy to get justifiably angry, trust me when I say everyone is mad on your behalf.

I played nice to get my exh out of my life and divorce 'amicably'. The stuff he'd done and liberties he'd taken that I found out in the weeks and months following still leave a nasty taste in my mouth 5 years later, and I have to fight hard not to be bitter when I think about it.

The best revenge is a life well lived though and I'm happy now. You will be too so keep your eye on the prize and think of the fantastic Christmas you'll have with your new found freedom Smile

Sssloou · 05/09/2020 13:39

I think he is actually committing a crime - coercive control / financial abuse?

marriednotdead · 05/09/2020 13:43

When my ex left, he took the big expensive tv and left me with the smaller one as I didn't watch it as much. I discovered shortly afterwards that he'd bought an even bigger one and my one was in his bedroom...

How would you feel if you handed over £15k leaving you short and then discovered he'd squirrelled away even more by cocklodging?

Camp3r20Van · 05/09/2020 13:44

If you had a new partner or friend visit your property, do you think he would be so keen to stay

Borrow someone to come round, if you don't have anyone yet ?

Sakurami · 05/09/2020 13:58

You don't owe him anything. Get legal advice and don't engage with him.

Horsemad · 05/09/2020 14:13

OMG, pack his stuff, tell him to Fuck Off & change the locks. What's wrong with you woman?!

Inaseagull · 05/09/2020 15:06

For the love of God woman, don't give him any money. Give him a deadline and get a solicitor. You owe him NOTHING!! Can your son 'help' him move? Get him out and stop feeling guilty!

shazzz1xx · 05/09/2020 15:26

ARE YOU MAD.... kick him out today. Make him realise where is bread was buttered x

Eddielzzard · 05/09/2020 15:44

You REALLY DON'T have to pay him anything at all. He's made you feel responsibly for him, but he's a fully functioning adult, completely capable of looking after himself, as he's evidently shown you!

He needs to go. I wouldn't give him anything personally.

Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 19:15

I spoke to my son today. He is usually highly non-confrontational, quiet studious type and yet he offered to come home from London and help me to move him out. My daughter who is much more fiesty is back from holiday on Monday and he is sure she will be up for it too (they share a flat).

I have decided to go to a solicitor on Monday and start the legal ball rolling.

I just got home, and he is being soooo nice, making me tea and making small talk. I am doing the grey wall thing, and am now back up in my bedroom.

I think it is best to not mention my new plan just yet.

I think I got this...I will let you all know what the solicitor says.

Wish me luck guys, cos this is pretty scary...

OP posts:
Sssloou · 05/09/2020 19:24

That’s brilliant. Really pleased that your DCs are there for you.

But please keep your cards v close to your chest.

As PP said - you can speak with a solicitor on line.

Get a v tight plan schedule of logistics together (locksmith at the ready) and then get him out.

Maybe you need another older (male) adult with gravitas physically present - so that he behaves better - as he has demonstrated zero respect for your and your DD. Also if she is feisty then this would also be a great learning experience showing her how things can be executed calmly and efficiently.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Horsemad · 05/09/2020 19:26

Yep, don't prewarn him of your plan but I really don't think you need to waste money on a solicitor - you're not married and it's your property. Just tell him to sling his hook, or change the locks whilst he's out, bag his stuff up & put it outside in the garage where he can collect it.

If he thinks he's entitled to some money, let him spend HIS cash on a solicitor!

Sssloou · 05/09/2020 19:37

Maybe your solicitor appointment would be better to look at financial abuse / coercive control - if you have an email trail of him demanding / blackmailing you for £30K?

RandomMess · 05/09/2020 19:54

You tell him you have consulted with a solicitor, let him waste his money going to one and chasing you. If that happens then yes you may need to speak with one.

VodselForDinner · 05/09/2020 20:06

@Cyclepath777

Easy said, and I have been told that too. But, I still have this feeling of being resonsible for him that won't go away.
If this is your entire position, I don’t know what you can expect from this thread.

You’ll get plenty of advice, but no point wasting people’s time if you’re going to do nothing about it.

You said you’ve recently woken up, but it’s obvious that you haven’t fully. You’re still living with this man. You’ve not progressed at all really.

In your shoes, I’d change the locks and let him pursue you through the courts if he really feels he has claim to a settlement. It’ll take him a lot of time and money, so I’d imagine he won’t bother.

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