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Leaving a 15 year relationship with a manipulator - money

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Cyclepath777 · 05/09/2020 12:19

Hi everyone,

I am 56, healthy, have a good job and loving adult children. I have my own home, car and should on paper be fine. However, I woke up recently, and realised that my life was just empty, and completely revolved around the needs of my quiet, undemanding partner. I had not desires, no ability to have fun, nothing to look forward to or interests outside work and home, 1 friend and no intimacy to speak of for 5 years.

I've been in a relationship with this man for 15 years. I have had enough experiences, spoken to enough friends and family, read enough stuff to now know that I have been, and continue to be manipulated.

Without a long drawn out series of explanations about what he has subtly done over the years, lets just say that no-one likes him and it is never his fault for anything. He compains and talks about his work, and yet is not really interested in mine. He relates stories of his life when things were brilliant, and yet cuts me off when I try to talk about my past. He is always 'suffering' somehow, is ill a lot with non-specific (and some clearly true) health issues that disrupt our life, but won't go to the doctor, and he cries at the drop of a hat. He is the master of chair sitting.

I finished the relationship last October. He has refused to leave, many excuses, 6 weeks of counselling resulted in the 'New man, I can change and give you this wonderful life' over and over again, no matter what I say, or how many times I said leave, please just leave!

So he oh so nicely and tearfully explains that because I am taking his whole life away from him, I should pay him from the house. (It is my house which I owned on a mortgage for 15 years before he moved in.) He lived off me for 3 years and then has paid 350-400 a month since then, including all food, and his mobile phone until recently.

So, very long story short, 11 months later he is still here. Due to his nature, he is very quiet and is being oh so nice without actually doing anything to move out.

He basically is asking me to compensate him for the 15 years together and won't move out until he has enough money. He has pushed me and I have offered him 15k, but the house needs repairs to a small extension he paid for over 10 years ago (which is what he says is his beneficial interest in the house) and it will wipe me out.

I am still losing his money each month anyway, so taking a loan as well is not really on just to make his life easier. So I want to back track to 10k. Even my mild mannered mum thinks I am giving him too much, and most of the few friends I havent' been isolated from say I don't owe him anything.

The guilt trips however have been horrendous, its like I have an obligation to him like one of my own kids (who can't stand him btw and are now grown up and left home). From what I understand, this emotional response is due to his manipulation over many years, and whilst I intellectually understand it, I am finding it very hard to fight it.

I don't have a solicitor, and he keeps trying to put me off by saying we can work this out and that he needs a decent home (and I should help him).

I would really appreciate people's thoughts on my situation.

OP posts:
Heffalooomia · 11/09/2020 11:38

His existence has been completely parasitic.... I wonder what he will do now 😳

Sssloou · 11/09/2020 11:46

I am not surprised that xDP father was off - they all know well what a useless burden he is and they have been delighted that you have been shouldering this for them for decades.

timeisnotaline · 11/09/2020 11:57

Well done! Don’t pay him a penny either!

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 11/09/2020 12:05

I've never heard anyone use the phrase cocklodger outside of MN

chocciechocface · 11/09/2020 12:16

@dickiedavisthunderthighs

I've never heard anyone use the phrase cocklodger outside of MN

His wife is probably on Mumsnet! 😂😂

Heffalooomia · 11/09/2020 12:25

A cock lodger is a man who uses his cock to pay the rent, or in other words he thinks that regular good sex is a fair exchange for free board and lodging 24/7 maid service etc
This man hasn't been providing any sexual benefits, he's not a cock lodger he's just a leach

SingingInTheShithouse · 11/09/2020 12:39

Well done & so glad it's finally over. Not surprised at his brother at all

I had one like this for a few years & his own mother rang me up after I kicked him out, I expected grief from her, but nope, she apologised that her son was such a cocklodging waste of space & that she was ashamed he was too much like his father & that though she hoped he'd finally grow up, I had done the right thing

Cyclepath777 · 11/09/2020 19:12

Thanks everyone...

Kids have gone back now, all quiet.

I have a cheap camper van I bought about 2 months ago (which until today had never been on my drive). Tomorrow I am going away for an evening on my own.

Tonight will be the first time alone in the house over night for a long time. I intend to enjoy it. First, I will go and see that wonderful friend of mine who, along with her family have been rooting for me all the way.

The whole episode was a long time coming. I guess, once my son offered to act, it just snowballed, (actually it was the locksmith booking that really sealed it).

However, the key to getting my head around it was that I took advice from anyone and everyone, both official and un-official. With all the overwhelming evidence, placed before my eyes, If I had failed to act at this time, I think I would never have got him to leave.

I am lucky though, my ex is a weak and non-violent man. I am sure for a lot of people it would have been more difficult.

Best wishes, to everyone and much love to mumsnet xxx

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Keepingthingsinteresting · 11/09/2020 20:25

Well done OP, you’re brilliant! Enjoy your break & lovely quiet home.

billy1966 · 11/09/2020 23:03

OP,

You were very brave.

That is what was key.

Also you reached out for advice.

I do not believe it is possible to underestimate the value of reaching out for advice, wisdom and support.

So invaluable.

Well done OPFlowers

Brigante9 · 11/09/2020 23:50

Don’t let him back in! Well done!

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Panicwiththebisto · 12/09/2020 05:52

Have you told the Police?

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Theluggagerules · 12/09/2020 10:24

Well done! Enjoy being in your house yourself, and the campervan sounds great

Folicky · 12/09/2020 10:32

Cyclepath777 Sympathy is a very powerful emotion..... that's what he's evoking. Some people don't do this intentionally, but some do - having observed the effect on others. It's a lever just like any other and some people who have needs that they can't meet themselves are very that adept in its use. Incidentally, the soft spoken thing is working very well for him also

Folicky · 12/09/2020 10:39

Also sobbing and demonstrating high emotion can be about many things 1. Because the person is very upset, 2. It's a manipulation - the person wants you to stop doing what you're doing

You'll have heard of crocodile tears? I'd guess his are more muted (you know "I'm not grandstanding here, I'm just terribly upset"). I think if you quietly stand your ground with him you might see more overt aggression, legal threats etc.... he seems to be dropping that language in already

BlueThistles · 12/09/2020 10:53

just read this from beginning to end with my heart in my mouth, thank goodness you got rid of this con man, and without handing over a single penny, and rightly so. Please never take him back 🌺

updownroundandround · 12/09/2020 16:52

@ Cyclepath777

A busy few days at work when I haven't had the energy to log on to MN, and Lo and Behold................................Grin

You've been using the time to TRANSFORM YOUR LIFE !!!! GrinGrinGrin

I'm so impressed !!

I couldn't be happier for you OP ! Flowers Glitterball Wine

I hope you have a ball in your camper van !

Your DC sound perfectly wonderful Grin

His brother has him summed up perfectly as a cocklodger too !

Now use that 15k for something for you !

Lozzerbmc · 12/09/2020 17:03

Well done OP. Heres to you! Wine

Sunflowergirl1 · 12/09/2020 17:26

Nice read @Cyclepath777 . Well done and enjoy your life

Noshowlomo · 13/09/2020 19:26

Not even sure if you’ll be back to this thread OP, but I wanted to say I hope you had an amazing first weekend of freedom xx

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