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DP has left because he found me too awful to be around. Not sure I agree.

257 replies

WhiteWidow001 · 05/09/2020 08:53

Regular with name change - I need some collective wisdom here. I have to mention at the start that DP has a diagnosed personality disorder and partly this means he can see things in a very black and white way (people or situations are either brilliant or terrible and he can switch that perspective over minor things). What I can’t work out is whether or not this is a minor thing or if I need to do some apologising.

I live on my own in a house with two children (13 and 10). I’ve had some dramatic (and traumatic) circumstances which means I have to sell the house. It’s a big job to get it ready for market.

DP lives on his own in a very small place, only big enough for one. He basically lives at mine and has been working REALLY hard to help me get the house sorted.

DP has an adult daughter who graduated this year. There is a VERY high level of conflict between her and her mum and during Lockdown she got worryingly low about it all, so in June I offered for her to come and stay in my spare room to get a break and establish the next steps in her life (job hunt, flat hunt etc). She has a qualification in child care and wants to work in a related field, so I said that while she was here, instead of giving me money, she could contribute by doing some home-schooling and childcare (I work full time so this is a massive help). I made it clear this was not a long-term solution as I’m selling the house.

Two things have happened that have brought things to a head with me and DP. One is that, for the past week, I’ve been clearing out my house and coming across lots of reminders of the traumatic events that caused me to sell. This includes finding and binning things that belonged to people who died and who I was very close to. I’ve found this really difficult, and because I’m very much an introvert, I’ve been quiet, withdrawn, not as chirpy as usual etc. I’m sad and stressed basically.

DP’s daughter has now been here for three months and has made virtually no move to find work or another place to stay. DP really wants her to make changes but if he tries to motivate her she gets tearful. It’s been a source of conflict for them on and off since she’s been here. She says she needs a year off to recover from the relationship she had with her mum. She can’t drive and is scared of getting cabs, so if she wants to go out anywhere someone has to drive her (even if it’s just to the train station). She does keep my kids entertained but it’s mostly just been about watching box sets and playing computer games with my eldest while ignoring my youngest. Tbh I’ve been chilled about it up until the last week as it’s no real detriment to me, but her constant presence in the house is becoming grating and I feel like I’m picking up after three kids. I’ve told him I’m concerned that despite lots of help to find work/housing she’s pretty much opted out of doing it, and I can’t continue to carry her through winter here.

So these two things have combined - in the last week I’ve felt very tense due to all the work I’ve got to do in the house and the upsetting reminders. I’ve felt like just shutting myself off from everyone to get on with it. At the same time I’m trying to manage the household, work full time etc. I’ve been a bit preoccupied and definitely less sociable. Twice this week DP has asked if I want him to take his daughter out with him for the day so I can work in peace. I’ve said yes. It’s worked really well and I’ve felt much better by the evening.

The second time this happened (Wednesday), they returned from their day out to say they were both leaving as I’d created an atmosphere and they don’t feel comfortable here anymore. I’ve not heard from either of them since.

I realise I’ve been less laid back and jolly this past week, but it’s not been AT anyone in particular, I just haven’t felt able to join in the fun and games, small talk, giggles and I’ve been more robust about asking people to help clear up after themselves. I think it’s normal to have days where you feel a bit shitty.

It also feels like I’ve done an awful lot to support his daughter (I took days off to help her re-do her CV, apply for jobs, help with housing etc. I even took her with me on a family holiday I’d booked). But it feels like because I’ve had a tense week, it’s been decided I’m awful and not fit to be around.

It’s fine that they’ve gone, it’s quite a relief actually, but would anyone else have been irritated by the state of affairs? DP’s response makes me wonder if I’ve been totally unreasonable and awful, but like I said, the personality disorder can make it seem that way sometimes and I need a reality check. I’m not entirely sure I want to apologise when he gets back in touch, tbh.

OP posts:
JingsMahBucket · 08/09/2020 13:16

@WhiteWidow001 have you had the mental space to think about whether you want the relationship to end?

Sssloou · 08/09/2020 13:52

My hunch is that he blowing hot and cold, reeling her in and out, being deliberately evasive and avoidant to unsettle and confuse her so that he holds the power..... classic PD tactics.

I wonder if the OP has experienced that feeling in the RS before.

Any grown, emotionally healthy mature adult would have said - “You have been brilliant trying so hard and giving so much to my DD - I am deeply thankful for all of your efforts but looks like she needs much more from me right now, so I need to take some time out to focus on her and give you back your time and space for your own DCs”

combatbarbie · 08/09/2020 14:31

Can I ask if you know the reason why his daughter is scared of everything? Totally get anxiety etc but to not want to drive, living alone etc is going to be very debilitating for her future.

AryaStarkWolf · 08/09/2020 14:54

The pair of them sound very ungrateful and inconsiderate, you're well rid OP

YgritteSnow · 08/09/2020 17:42

@WhiteWidow001

Thank you for all your fabulous messages, SSSlou I think you've hit the nail on the head with many things and I'm thinking over the points you've raised.

As an update, I did decide that there was no way on earth I was going to spend so much as half a second packing up their stuff when I've got so much of my own to do. As it happens he got in touch this morning to ask if he could collect some things, so I've given him some times when I'm going to be out. All good and quite a relief. He stayed with me a lot but didn't live here so there's not a huge amount of stuff he needs to get. It shouldn't take them long.

I would take control of this. I would pack their things up and drop them off. I certainly wouldn't be allowing him access to my home when I wasn't there.
WhiteWidow001 · 09/09/2020 10:58

Another update - they arrived yesterday when I wasn't there (which is what I wanted to happen), both packed up everything and left, leaving the key. Followed by a phone call to confirm that's what happened. He suggested we meet to talk, but I said that I felt everything was clear and that I didn't see any need to meet up and talk about what was already quite obvious. So in my mind, they've made a clean exit and there's no more to be said.

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Itsrainingnotmen · 09/09/2020 11:10

Wow great result op...

billy1966 · 09/09/2020 11:11

Great result OP.

You were a hugely supportive partner in a thankless position.

I think as time goes on, you with be pleased with the space and peace this new arrangement provides.

He may well come to regret his strop! but they are no longer your burden.

Not discussing this further with him, was a very shrewd move.👏👍Flowers

RantAndDec · 09/09/2020 11:12

Just read the whole thread. You sound lovely OP. How are you feeling?

It strikes me that your DP behaves in ways that are designed to make you feel guilty/remorseful. He's trying to engineer your emotions. This is very very common but very very manipulative (though I don't think people do it knowingly.) I hope you're feeling okay.

WhiteWidow001 · 09/09/2020 11:33

Thanks all. I know there were more 'assertive' ways to do this (ie pack his stuff for him, change the locks etc) but instinct told me do this in a kind of 'grey rock' way as the most simple, quickest way to get to the solution of them permanently not being here. I know him well enough to know he wouldn't take anything that wasn't his, create trouble, or let himself into my house without my knowledge. As it is, I've got to the end point with as little fuss as possible, in my opinion.

Yes, it may be part of a push/pull behaviour, and I think simply not engaging is the best way forward. There can't be much for him to push or pull if I'm just not engaging in the game. Grey rock all the way.

I feel ok, as blindsided as anyone does when a relationship ends, especially one that ends so suddenly, but I'm just not able to entertain many thoughts about it as I'm honestly so damn busy. I've got estate agents coming tomorrow, I've got some really high-needs clients at work and I've got piles and piles of stuff to wade through for home. I just want to focus on that really. Hence not being willing to give any physical or mental space to someone who has clearly just checked out of my life.

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LadyLairdArgyll · 09/09/2020 11:36

OP.. I hope you are okay .. your kids will be happier too.. onwards and upwards 🌺

Sssloou · 09/09/2020 13:46

I am glad it went smoothly for you and especially well done for assertively saying “No” to the closure face to face. I suspect it would only ever be for his benefit.

Enjoy your DCs. You have a b busy and demanding life it seems at the moment - and you will likely feel wiped out when this all catches up with you - so look to rest up, restore and reconnect with the people who love and care for you.

Indoorcamping · 09/09/2020 14:07

Hope you're doing ok OP. It sounds like it's for the best. A partner who's only interested in the good times is no partner at all. You deserve better.

Well done on refusing the face to face talk.

Friendsoftheearth · 09/09/2020 14:10

Definitely the right way op. He is gone, disengage and allow yourself some space and time to adjust. Distraction works wonders too. Look after yourself.

You have handled it all extremely well, and I don't think it will take you long to 'get over' him and the loss of your relationship, you might be surprised at the speed of your recovery. Gather your friends and those that love you around you for now, and look to the future, you are a fantastic role model for your children Flowers

Eddielzzard · 09/09/2020 14:49

Sounds like a great plan! He is actually blackmailing you. I'll only leave if you give me £30k?! Jog on.

Eddielzzard · 09/09/2020 14:50

Oops sorry, wrong thread.

But still, a good outcome if a sad one.

FinallyHere · 09/09/2020 15:52

Good instincts there @WhiteWidow001

Grey rock all the way.

All the very best.

WiserOlder · 09/09/2020 16:57

You were right to end things in as lifeless and grey way as possible. The least possible injury to his ego the better and calmer it will be.

He is a dick looking for you to pay him to leave. I read once, when you are defending yourself legally put your full weight and focus behind that, but dont waste energy defending yourself outside of a legal context.

TheHoneyBadger · 09/09/2020 19:41

Well done. I agree meeting was unnecessary. His actions said all that needed to be said.

Good luck with getting through the current pressures and getting to the other side.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 10/09/2020 14:48

Sounds like he's done you a favour, in all honesty - less for you to deal with in terms of the sale!

And no, absolutely no need to meet up at this stage, if ever. Why? What would be the point?

Grey rock = perfect solution for you. It takes all the power away from him, so he can't manipulate you in any way.

I'm highly relieved for you - I suspect that, once things settle down a bit more, you may start to grieve your relationship ending this way - but by then it won't be so raw, so will be easier to deal with anyway, if it ever even happens!

Best of luck to you Thanks

iMatter · 10/09/2020 15:07

@WhiteWidow001

Another update - they arrived yesterday when I wasn't there (which is what I wanted to happen), both packed up everything and left, leaving the key. Followed by a phone call to confirm that's what happened. He suggested we meet to talk, but I said that I felt everything was clear and that I didn't see any need to meet up and talk about what was already quite obvious. So in my mind, they've made a clean exit and there's no more to be said.

Well done OP

Onwards and upwards Smile

WhiteWidow001 · 12/09/2020 09:20

An update / explanation for anyone whose interested. He got in touch yesterday. There were a couple of things of his still here that he was asking after. It turned into a bit of a heated discussion, he had a lot to say, but in a nutshell the PP who suggested that I was supposed to say no when he offered to take his DD out for the day hit the nail on the head. Other things were said; of particular note was his displeasure that I hadn’t tried to talk him out of leaving and had given him time slots to collect his things, so hadn’t even been here to try and resolve things.

I could bore you with some of the other things said but I think they’re pretty predictable. Once I’d damped down my anger I just agreed with him that he’d done the right thing by leaving. I acknowledged that he’d found me awful to be around so much, but explained that as I was unlikely to ever be any different the issue was unresolvable. And that no, he was indeed, as he previously stated ‘never coming back here, ever ever ever’.

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WhiteWidow001 · 12/09/2020 09:22

Also: he and his DD had a massive falling out during the first night at his flat when they couldn’t both fit in there and she had to sleep on the sofa, so she went to stay on a friend’s boat on her own, is taking ubers everywhere, getting her applications sorted out, has made up with her mum and is quite happy with everything. So there is a happy ending.

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growinggreyer · 12/09/2020 09:25

That sounds like a hard conversation to have, well done for the way you managed to get your point across. I hope you can get the last of his stuff out of your home as soon as possible as that will draw a natural line under the situation. Flowers

Friendsoftheearth · 12/09/2020 09:28

His fragile ego is bruised, you have not cried or pleaded with him to return, you have not fallen and apart and begged for him to come back to you. You have dealt with it with such dignity and grace, no wonder he is angry and upset to lose you.

He does not believe this is the end, and probably thinks in time your resolve with waiver, but in the meantime wanted to have his 'say'.

Send his stuff back so there are no more excuses to contact you and block him now op. He will keep coming back to make contact for different reasons, this is just an excuse to try and test out whether you would consider a reconciliation, the heated exchange probably happened because he is slowly realising that you are resolute.

Your life needs you, you have much to sort out with your house etc. I would not waste any more time or energy on him.

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