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DP has left because he found me too awful to be around. Not sure I agree.

257 replies

WhiteWidow001 · 05/09/2020 08:53

Regular with name change - I need some collective wisdom here. I have to mention at the start that DP has a diagnosed personality disorder and partly this means he can see things in a very black and white way (people or situations are either brilliant or terrible and he can switch that perspective over minor things). What I can’t work out is whether or not this is a minor thing or if I need to do some apologising.

I live on my own in a house with two children (13 and 10). I’ve had some dramatic (and traumatic) circumstances which means I have to sell the house. It’s a big job to get it ready for market.

DP lives on his own in a very small place, only big enough for one. He basically lives at mine and has been working REALLY hard to help me get the house sorted.

DP has an adult daughter who graduated this year. There is a VERY high level of conflict between her and her mum and during Lockdown she got worryingly low about it all, so in June I offered for her to come and stay in my spare room to get a break and establish the next steps in her life (job hunt, flat hunt etc). She has a qualification in child care and wants to work in a related field, so I said that while she was here, instead of giving me money, she could contribute by doing some home-schooling and childcare (I work full time so this is a massive help). I made it clear this was not a long-term solution as I’m selling the house.

Two things have happened that have brought things to a head with me and DP. One is that, for the past week, I’ve been clearing out my house and coming across lots of reminders of the traumatic events that caused me to sell. This includes finding and binning things that belonged to people who died and who I was very close to. I’ve found this really difficult, and because I’m very much an introvert, I’ve been quiet, withdrawn, not as chirpy as usual etc. I’m sad and stressed basically.

DP’s daughter has now been here for three months and has made virtually no move to find work or another place to stay. DP really wants her to make changes but if he tries to motivate her she gets tearful. It’s been a source of conflict for them on and off since she’s been here. She says she needs a year off to recover from the relationship she had with her mum. She can’t drive and is scared of getting cabs, so if she wants to go out anywhere someone has to drive her (even if it’s just to the train station). She does keep my kids entertained but it’s mostly just been about watching box sets and playing computer games with my eldest while ignoring my youngest. Tbh I’ve been chilled about it up until the last week as it’s no real detriment to me, but her constant presence in the house is becoming grating and I feel like I’m picking up after three kids. I’ve told him I’m concerned that despite lots of help to find work/housing she’s pretty much opted out of doing it, and I can’t continue to carry her through winter here.

So these two things have combined - in the last week I’ve felt very tense due to all the work I’ve got to do in the house and the upsetting reminders. I’ve felt like just shutting myself off from everyone to get on with it. At the same time I’m trying to manage the household, work full time etc. I’ve been a bit preoccupied and definitely less sociable. Twice this week DP has asked if I want him to take his daughter out with him for the day so I can work in peace. I’ve said yes. It’s worked really well and I’ve felt much better by the evening.

The second time this happened (Wednesday), they returned from their day out to say they were both leaving as I’d created an atmosphere and they don’t feel comfortable here anymore. I’ve not heard from either of them since.

I realise I’ve been less laid back and jolly this past week, but it’s not been AT anyone in particular, I just haven’t felt able to join in the fun and games, small talk, giggles and I’ve been more robust about asking people to help clear up after themselves. I think it’s normal to have days where you feel a bit shitty.

It also feels like I’ve done an awful lot to support his daughter (I took days off to help her re-do her CV, apply for jobs, help with housing etc. I even took her with me on a family holiday I’d booked). But it feels like because I’ve had a tense week, it’s been decided I’m awful and not fit to be around.

It’s fine that they’ve gone, it’s quite a relief actually, but would anyone else have been irritated by the state of affairs? DP’s response makes me wonder if I’ve been totally unreasonable and awful, but like I said, the personality disorder can make it seem that way sometimes and I need a reality check. I’m not entirely sure I want to apologise when he gets back in touch, tbh.

OP posts:
Heffalooomia · 05/09/2020 16:56

as she lets them watched boxed sets and play on games all summer instead of requiring them to do much
agree, it's not that difficult to induce adoration in children - candy from babies and all that - for her they are handy levers that she can use to get the situation under her control and make things go the way she wants

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 05/09/2020 17:24

*I don’t know if she’s lazy or there something not quite right with her developmentally (or both). To give a picture:

  • she’s scared of the dark or of being in a house alone. She could have gone and stayed at her dad’s flat instead of being here, but there isn’t room for them both and she’s too fearful to be there alone
  • she’s scared to take taxis and there are no decent transport links in his village so it would be hard for her to get around*

At 22 those two things applied to me and not because I was lazy or had developmental issues. I was violently raped in my final year at University (in my student flat). I was terrified of being alone in the dark and even now 20 odd years later, I have a light on most nights. I wouldn't take a taxi unless I could guarantee a female driver. I developed disordered eating as a result as well. She might be lazy or it might be a response to some sort of trauma in which case she needs proper professional support. It took me a long time to accept mental health help and that was a huge mistake.

I wouldn't take them back though.

MadameMeursault · 05/09/2020 17:28

Relationships are supposed to be emotional give and take. You’re doing all the giving and they’re doing all the taking. Sounds like you’re well shot of the pair of them.

FinallyHere · 05/09/2020 17:58

Chalk it up to "no good deed going unpunished". Relish the peace, focus on your own DC and crucially, don't let them back.

They may well be all sorts of issues going on here. It's just really not up to OP to sort them. OP has plenty of things to be getting on with.

All the best. Dodged a bullet getting them both out.

Geppili · 05/09/2020 18:05

Don't let them back!

LadyLairdArgyll · 05/09/2020 18:15

OP honestly.. you are well rid 🌺

jessstan2 · 06/09/2020 00:50

Dinosaur: "...she’s scared of the dark or of being in a house alone."
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Dino, I was like that until I was 29!

ColleagueFromMars · 06/09/2020 16:25

Any news OP?

MaeveDidIt · 06/09/2020 17:11

How strange that she's under the illusion that she's entitled to freeload.

She's had it very good but sees it as her entitlement - perhaps she's been brought-up never having been told how much things cost or earned pocket-money.

Regardless of what you are going through personally at the moment, it was a matter of time that this would have all blown up sooner or later. Don't feel bad, most people couldn't sustain this situation.

WhiteWidow001 · 07/09/2020 07:14

Just a quick update as rushing for school run. I was at a friends for the weekend having a wonderful time which was much needed. I’ve heard nothing from either of them and am hoping it stays that way, though it’s not realistic as they’ll need their stuff at some point. What’s good about this is that they’ve clearly managed to sort themselves out for this long, so they can keep doing whatever they’re doing. Will come back to read properly and update later on.

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Tomatoesneedtoripen · 07/09/2020 07:15

sounds really positive op.
force the issue, don't sit back

Sssloou · 07/09/2020 07:32

Delighted that you had a great time with your friend. This is the sort of warm, fun, radiant interactions, experiences that you all deserve. Did you talk to your friend about it?

Only thing I am concerned about for you is that you are waiting to see what THEY do.

Why can’t you get ahead of the storm - make the decision and communicate it calmly and gently and firmly that the current arrangement doesn’t work for you - that their stuff is packed and needs collecting by x date. YOU decide what works for YOUR family and YOUR home.

Does he have keys?

Have you decided to end your RS with him? Or are you letting him decide that? Or do you want to continue the RS but with DD out of your home (I doubt that would work). Or will you agree to her living with you with different rules?

How are about being assertive with your boundaries?

Are you comfortable sensing and knowing your feelings and acting on them by translating them into clear boundaries that you are confident communicating?

How are you with confrontation and conflict?

Do you feel that you can calmly say “This isn’t working for us” on rinse and repeat and not get drawn into twisted details and arguments?

You are not obligated to over explain / justify / defend your decisions - you just have to communicate your boundary.

Calmly, gently on repeat.

You need to know that you have full agency in your own life, over your own home and YOU get to call how you and your DCs live.

I hope that you have had some rest and clarity and you find the focus to decide and communicate what you want for you and your DCs right now.

billy1966 · 07/09/2020 08:44

Start gathering their stuff tonmake collection prompt and painless.

Glad you had much needed R&R.
Flowers

EwwSprouts · 07/09/2020 16:23

Totally OP, they've managed the weekend so they can keep on managing. So pleased you had a lovely time.

TheHoneyBadger · 07/09/2020 17:42

I do think a pp had a great idea when they suggested packing up the dd's stuff and establishing that room as a packing station with all the boxes etc.

It's practical in terms of closing the door but it's also quite a nice feeling ime to reclaim space after someone has gone.

Obviously she's not your bf or anything but I always seem to advise people to rearrange the furniture or decorate or something when their ex moves out.

Shizzlestix · 07/09/2020 22:11

To be honest, OP, she sounds like a leech, like she expects to be cared for and paid for forever more. At 22, she ought to be contributing to a household, not lounging round doing nothing to help herself. Your DP has not helped her, has he? Now they’ve gone off in a huff for no good reason. You’re not allowed to be a bit down? Utter tosh, don’t let them back in.

diddl · 08/09/2020 08:29

I agree that if its not too much trouble, get their stuff together and let them know either when it´s convenient to you for them to collect, or from when it will be outside for them to collect when they want.

LadyLairdArgyll · 08/09/2020 09:20

how you doing OP .. you okay 🌺

WhiteWidow001 · 08/09/2020 10:50

Thank you for all your fabulous messages, SSSlou I think you've hit the nail on the head with many things and I'm thinking over the points you've raised.

As an update, I did decide that there was no way on earth I was going to spend so much as half a second packing up their stuff when I've got so much of my own to do. As it happens he got in touch this morning to ask if he could collect some things, so I've given him some times when I'm going to be out. All good and quite a relief. He stayed with me a lot but didn't live here so there's not a huge amount of stuff he needs to get. It shouldn't take them long.

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Inaseagull · 08/09/2020 11:00

It doesn't sound like you have told him it's over? You could leave a note asking him to take all their belongings and for him to post your keys through the letterbox when done. You are going to end up letting this slide otherwise.

yecannyshoveyergranny · 08/09/2020 11:07

Some things? Make it clear he needs to get everything

Sssloou · 08/09/2020 11:14

As it happens he got in touch this morning to ask if he could collect some things, so I've given him some times when I'm going to be out.

Are you left confused by this? What do you interpret as “some things” - does that mean he is just setting his DD up and your RS is still on (according to him) - or do you read it that he is telling you it’s over and the “some things” is just for his personal convenience?

Who is making the decisions on your life?

Is he not capable of having a sensible grown up conversation around closure?

Or is this flounce likely a manipulation to put you in your place and he might then manoeuvre back in again when it suits him (ie when you are lonely, emotionally down).

What environment do you need and want for you and your DCs for the next few years?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 08/09/2020 12:11

I expect that the man was hoping that the OP would object to him taking stuff, and beg him to return, with fulsome apologies.

She didn't. She agreed to him taking his stuff, when she would be OUT, so he won't even see her.

He'd have to be thick as dogshit not to realise that it's over.

Dontbeme · 08/09/2020 12:30

He'd have to be thick as dogshit not to realise that it's over

Well yes, or so self assured that he will manipulate the OP to what he wants that he will just front it out and act hurt and offended that she could possible think he was in the wrong. I vote that you change the locks after he gets his stuff and think no more on the matter.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 08/09/2020 12:50

@dontbeme - a good point. Also a good suggestion to change the locks.

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