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DP has left because he found me too awful to be around. Not sure I agree.

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WhiteWidow001 · 05/09/2020 08:53

Regular with name change - I need some collective wisdom here. I have to mention at the start that DP has a diagnosed personality disorder and partly this means he can see things in a very black and white way (people or situations are either brilliant or terrible and he can switch that perspective over minor things). What I can’t work out is whether or not this is a minor thing or if I need to do some apologising.

I live on my own in a house with two children (13 and 10). I’ve had some dramatic (and traumatic) circumstances which means I have to sell the house. It’s a big job to get it ready for market.

DP lives on his own in a very small place, only big enough for one. He basically lives at mine and has been working REALLY hard to help me get the house sorted.

DP has an adult daughter who graduated this year. There is a VERY high level of conflict between her and her mum and during Lockdown she got worryingly low about it all, so in June I offered for her to come and stay in my spare room to get a break and establish the next steps in her life (job hunt, flat hunt etc). She has a qualification in child care and wants to work in a related field, so I said that while she was here, instead of giving me money, she could contribute by doing some home-schooling and childcare (I work full time so this is a massive help). I made it clear this was not a long-term solution as I’m selling the house.

Two things have happened that have brought things to a head with me and DP. One is that, for the past week, I’ve been clearing out my house and coming across lots of reminders of the traumatic events that caused me to sell. This includes finding and binning things that belonged to people who died and who I was very close to. I’ve found this really difficult, and because I’m very much an introvert, I’ve been quiet, withdrawn, not as chirpy as usual etc. I’m sad and stressed basically.

DP’s daughter has now been here for three months and has made virtually no move to find work or another place to stay. DP really wants her to make changes but if he tries to motivate her she gets tearful. It’s been a source of conflict for them on and off since she’s been here. She says she needs a year off to recover from the relationship she had with her mum. She can’t drive and is scared of getting cabs, so if she wants to go out anywhere someone has to drive her (even if it’s just to the train station). She does keep my kids entertained but it’s mostly just been about watching box sets and playing computer games with my eldest while ignoring my youngest. Tbh I’ve been chilled about it up until the last week as it’s no real detriment to me, but her constant presence in the house is becoming grating and I feel like I’m picking up after three kids. I’ve told him I’m concerned that despite lots of help to find work/housing she’s pretty much opted out of doing it, and I can’t continue to carry her through winter here.

So these two things have combined - in the last week I’ve felt very tense due to all the work I’ve got to do in the house and the upsetting reminders. I’ve felt like just shutting myself off from everyone to get on with it. At the same time I’m trying to manage the household, work full time etc. I’ve been a bit preoccupied and definitely less sociable. Twice this week DP has asked if I want him to take his daughter out with him for the day so I can work in peace. I’ve said yes. It’s worked really well and I’ve felt much better by the evening.

The second time this happened (Wednesday), they returned from their day out to say they were both leaving as I’d created an atmosphere and they don’t feel comfortable here anymore. I’ve not heard from either of them since.

I realise I’ve been less laid back and jolly this past week, but it’s not been AT anyone in particular, I just haven’t felt able to join in the fun and games, small talk, giggles and I’ve been more robust about asking people to help clear up after themselves. I think it’s normal to have days where you feel a bit shitty.

It also feels like I’ve done an awful lot to support his daughter (I took days off to help her re-do her CV, apply for jobs, help with housing etc. I even took her with me on a family holiday I’d booked). But it feels like because I’ve had a tense week, it’s been decided I’m awful and not fit to be around.

It’s fine that they’ve gone, it’s quite a relief actually, but would anyone else have been irritated by the state of affairs? DP’s response makes me wonder if I’ve been totally unreasonable and awful, but like I said, the personality disorder can make it seem that way sometimes and I need a reality check. I’m not entirely sure I want to apologise when he gets back in touch, tbh.

OP posts:
Tomatoesneedtoripen · 12/09/2020 09:35

good result for the daughter.
keep strong op

TheHoneyBadger · 12/09/2020 09:41

I was that pp who said you were meant to say no. I thought the should I take dd out was meant to result in you saying no of course not and apologising for having any needs at all. And that you were meant to weep and wail and beg them to stay.

Well rid and sounds like dd is too.

WhiteWidow001 · 12/09/2020 09:45

@honeybadger, thank you for the insight. Yes, it was all around the fact that on the two occasions he’d kindly offered to take his daughter out, I’d had the temerity to say yes. And the second time, I’d said yes to readily and when he’d said ‘or she can stay here to...’ I interjected with ‘no, I really would appreciate that time’. He said that it was unfair of them to have to put themselves out just because I decided I needed some time. I reminded him he OFFERED and I accepted. He looked confused.

OP posts:
WhiteWidow001 · 12/09/2020 09:48

You saying I was meant to apologise for having any needs at all; yes this was certainly in the discussion. That when I voiced my concern that she wasn’t finding alternatives and I might have to move soon etc (all mentioned to her as well as him btw), he said this put undue stress on him and that I shouldn’t have said anything.

OP posts:
needsahouseboy · 12/09/2020 09:59

They both sound like entitled arseholes and no way would I be wanting anything to do with them.

Friendsoftheearth · 12/09/2020 09:59

He said that it was unfair of them to have to put themselves out just because I decided I needed some time

he said this put undue stress on him and that I shouldn’t have said anything

It is all about them, and all about 'their' needs - at what point has he considered yours op?

TorkTorkBam · 12/09/2020 10:08

Just think back on all your hours of angst about how the poor girl has nowhere to go and wondering if you could possibly put her out despite the total lack of options for her.

Within hours she was staying with her dad (a thing you thought impossible but, well, she had a sofa and a roof that night). Then when that was dislike she IMMEDIATELY found other options.

Let this be an anti-martyrdom lesson for you! You do not have to find the solution to other people's problems. You do not even have to know what their options are. What they tell you about their options should have very little relevance to your decisions.

When people say they have no options that is never true. It means they don't like most of the options. And that's really quite different when you are being set up by them as their "only option". Always remember, you facilitating was their preferred option not their only option, as you have seen.

For me I found this fact about "no options" (and "no money") utterly liberating when it embedded itself in my brain. All of a sudden CF were much less of a guilt source for me. I hope you will also be cured.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 12/09/2020 10:08

Well after that bunch of shite bollocks from him, where you should have put yourself and your needs THIRD after him/his and his daughter, then I should think you're feeling a bit better about him not coming back, hey?

If not, you soon will be.

What an entitled prick he is.

combatbarbie · 12/09/2020 10:25

So the daughter has her arse in gear, has overcome her fears etc but you have lost your relationship.... Has he even acknowledged that??

BlueThistles · 12/09/2020 10:40

OP the DSD has no intentions of moving out or finding employment whilst berthed at yours, you know this. Also, he is only now scrambling to make up with you as he is now left with nothing and alone, all those home comforts he had at yours he took for granted are gone, and his DD just walked away from him. Now he knows how it felt. 🌺

BlueThistles · 12/09/2020 10:40

had no intention

Eddielzzard · 12/09/2020 10:59

Shock WTF? What planet is this man on?! I can't believe it's just ended because you needed some space (hours) after MONTHS of them living with you Shock. He's just shot himself in the foot.

tribpot · 12/09/2020 11:05

Undue stress on him, unfair on him - he was clearly never very interested in you but simply what you could do for him.

Once I’d damped down my anger I just agreed with him that he’d done the right thing by leaving.
And that is exactly how to deal with these manipulators, well done.

BlueThistles · 12/09/2020 11:13

OP enjoy your home your space your privacy your freedom 🌺

morefun · 12/09/2020 11:16

Just to add another perspective, does he actually know that you needed support? And would you have accepted it?

My boyfriend has been staying with me during lockdown and has been on and off feeling low about being furloughed and not having his usual routine and life enjoyment. This however does not manifest in him talking to me and explaining that - instead he becomes quiet and "off", withdrawing from me, becoming unaffectionate. I then begin to feel hurt at the perceived rejection and it's not until I finally get annoyed or upset that he tells me he is feeling down. He will not accept support from me and certainly not sympathy. Could you have been a little like that?

morefun · 12/09/2020 11:22

Sorry just saw your updates. Hope it's all more settled for you now

yellowgusset · 12/09/2020 11:33

Really well handled OP, you are my breakup idol!

WinterSunglasses · 12/09/2020 11:43

of particular note was his displeasure that I hadn’t tried to talk him out of leaving and had given him time slots to collect his things, so hadn’t even been here to try and resolve things

As we thought, you were supposed to fall at his feet and promise to be a better self-sacrificing partner in future. He must be really puzzled at you not begging him to return and agreeing with him that he was right to go! Good work. And now his daughter has got on with her life too. He must feel very foolish, not that I expect he'll admit it. You were supposed to make that better and suck all this up like the good little woman. Don't.

I know that glosses over your loss and the hurt you must feel. But you were not unreasonable to have your own needs and wants. It's sad that he saw these as so unimportant but it's better to know in the long run.

Ardnassa · 12/09/2020 12:14

Well done, OP. Am so glad there is a happy ending :) I hope you have a very good weekend relishing the peace and quiet and time to dedicate to your own needs.

Sandunesandseashells · 12/09/2020 12:43

@TorkTorkBam

Just think back on all your hours of angst about how the poor girl has nowhere to go and wondering if you could possibly put her out despite the total lack of options for her.

Within hours she was staying with her dad (a thing you thought impossible but, well, she had a sofa and a roof that night). Then when that was dislike she IMMEDIATELY found other options.

Let this be an anti-martyrdom lesson for you! You do not have to find the solution to other people's problems. You do not even have to know what their options are. What they tell you about their options should have very little relevance to your decisions.

When people say they have no options that is never true. It means they don't like most of the options. And that's really quite different when you are being set up by them as their "only option". Always remember, you facilitating was their preferred option not their only option, as you have seen.

For me I found this fact about "no options" (and "no money") utterly liberating when it embedded itself in my brain. All of a sudden CF were much less of a guilt source for me. I hope you will also be cured.

Thank you, TorkTorkBam, I’m cured too! And I’ve copied the middle part ready to paste into my outcome of a disciplinary appeal hearing that I’m chairing soon. 💐 Well done WhiteWidow001, you’re doing brilliantly, I hope you have a sense of relief incoming 💐
namechange5575 · 12/09/2020 14:41

Oh OP. I actually gave a bitter laugh that she managed to locate some resources and sort her stuff out when the alternative was less comfortable. Shame it took you and not her parent to facilitate this.

I'm sure the reality of what you are going through is a bit tough and depressing. Things will pick up, and it's better to live without the confusion of the promise of a supportive relationship, that never actually delivers.

billy1966 · 12/09/2020 15:01

OP,
Your update has made me laugh.

Himself and his precious, helpless, daughter couldn't manage 24 hours before she has an almost Lazarus like healing and is off like a shot, fully able to function again.🙄

Hilarious. He must be kicking himself at his stupidity.

He also can't quite believe how he manoeuvred himself out of, a kind, supportive, relationship.🤔

I doubt you have seen the last of this weak, selfish, self absorbed, waster.

He will be trying to figure out, how he can start a further investigation of the facts,🤔and maybe graciously be up for giving you another chance.🙄

The sooner your house is emptied of his last items and you block his ass, the better.

I hope you are feeling better ànd making headway with your house.Flowers

ThePluckOfTheCoward · 12/09/2020 16:30

And that no, he was indeed, as he previously stated ‘never coming back here, ever ever ever’.. 😂😂😂. Op, I am taking that as a reference to the Taylor Swift song and it did make me chuckle.

Isn't it amazing that in a matter of days his daughter has managed to overcome her fear of living alone, getting taxis by herself and applying for jobs. Either you did an amazing job with her or she was just swinging the lam the whole time. Her father has been an idiot letting himself be manipulated into destroying his relationship with you, but at least you have the measure of him now. I am sorry as you must be hurting, but as you say you don't have the time for all these shenanigans and without the drama you can focus on work and the house move. Good luck with the house sale and I hope you find a lovely new home for you and your DC.

AuntMasha · 12/09/2020 17:18

I’m so glad you’re finally rid of him and his silly daughter. Enjoy your freedom.

PS, Re the daughter. I’m often amazed at the way self-proclaimed ‘fragile’ people turn out to be as tough as old boot leather with the self-awareness of a breeze block.

Sssloou · 12/09/2020 21:19

Well done for having the total measure of him - what a deluded, entitled, arrogant tit.

As PP have said expect him to boomerang back in some random hoovering fashion. Be ready with your new found assertive stance and give him short shrift - you don’t have time to listen or entertain his blathering.

Well done in offloading these two. Look to enjoy the extra peace and time you have to focus on YOUR DCs - have fun times with them.

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