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Great third date, but......

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Whatgoesaround192 · 24/08/2020 15:18

..... it ended in sex which I hadn't planned and now I sense a change in him. Namechanged for this post as don't want it linked. I feel I have massively messed up although I know it takes two to tango. I met a nice man online and we had a coffee date first and really hit it off which if you know OLD, is quite rare! Three hours flew by. The following week, we went to dinner. Again, had a lovely time. We had a little kiss at the end of the night and I drove home feeling happy and hopeful. Everything felt right - no constant messaging all day, just a nice 'good morning' one from him and a phone call in the evening. He was keen to arrange a third date for Saturday just gone. He booked a restaurant and said I could either drive or if I wanted to drink, he would order me a a taxi to collect me and take me home. I wanted to have a couple of glasses of wine so I booked my own taxi to his. We walked hand in hand to the restaurant and again, another lovely night. We went back to his and I had another glass of wine and we played a game of pool (he has a games room) and then he took his dogs out for a walk - he was gone about half an hour. When he came back, we started kissing and I said about getting my taxi and I think I said "or do you want me to stay?" and he said yes. So I did and we had sex that night and again in the morning. He dropped me home at half 9 yesterday morning as he was going to circuits and although he called me last night, he just seemed different, like he was talking to a mate or something. I could tell the call was about to wrap up so I said "are we going to see each other this week?" and he said yes but I felt like I was making all the effort and really he could have taken or left it. Now I'm feeling crap for sleeping with him and that he is maybe seeing me in a different light. But he could have said "no, I think you should go home" couldn't he? Maybe I'm overthinking it but I'm usually quite perceptive. Why oh why did I drink and not just drive home. Really beating myself up here. Not even sure what I'm asking for - reassurance I suppose. To put things in perspective, we are grown ups - I'm 50 and he's 52. I was all excited and now I just feel disappointed (and a bit of a slapper - I'm not!)

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mcmooberry · 25/08/2020 13:54

Aw it's really disappointing when things felt so full of promise only to come crashing down like that. You will feel so much better in a few days, it's the initial rejection that's the worst. I would say at 50 and 52 it was not rushing things at all to have sex on the 3rd date when there appeared to be chemistry and you'd done a lot of talking/getting to know each other. He sounds a bit prudish frankly. Hope you'll feel better soon XX

BraverThanYouBel1eve · 25/08/2020 14:15

I don't think what happened can be classified as rushing. If he blocked you I'd put my cards on him being married, committed or otherwise hiding something quite big that isn't compatible with your relationship.

DarkmilkAddict · 25/08/2020 14:53

God the fear of this happening to me again puts me off men altogether.

I want to say to him “you’re a very pretty man and you’ve got a lot going for you. Maybe don’t have sex until you can handle it emotionally”

What a fucking bellend

IncandescentSilver · 25/08/2020 15:07

I think theres actually a couple of countries in the world where its illegal to dupe women into having sex with the promise of a relationship leading to marriage - not sure how thats enforced but I'm pretty sure it is.

I do think its unfair what he's done, in that you almost certainly wouldn't have chosen to have sex with him if you knew he was going to immediately discard you with a curt message and block you on all forms of communication as a result. Even if he didn't want to see you again, he could have been polite and civil about it. Its too brutal for what it is.

I wonder how many times he's done that. The instant ending of the relationship followed swiftly by the blocking seems quite practised. (I actually think its fairly irrelevant that you had sex, and that any form of greater closeness would have triggered it.

DarkmilkAddict · 25/08/2020 15:12

I do feel it should have consequences. I’ve had several men swear blind they don’t want to just have sex once, then ghost me (also several that haven’t of course).

I’m more angry than sad.

Am beginning to think it might be best to do it earlier (assuming definitely in the mood), before getting to know and care about them. I desperately wish it wasn’t like this.

rvby · 25/08/2020 15:49

I agree with both @chubbyhotchoc and @Inching even though they are sort of arguing with each other.

I was also 31 when I started OLD, also had a DC and didn't want my time wasted. So I also required a fair bit from my dates, asked for what I required, never apologised or explained myself or any of that. One friend, who struggled with boundaries and was often treated badly by men, got quite angry when she heard what I required and what I got... "who do you think you are??" was also thrown at me Grin but, I was sorting the wheat from the chaff and made no excuses for it.

And I also shagged very early... because I was assessing them. If they didn't want to see me after, that was part of the assessment process, they'd been screened out. This same friend would get upset with me for doing this as well... "you're flooding the market with free sex!!", she'd cry Grin but of course to me, I don't see sex as a currency, I see it as something I'm assessing compatibility with. For her, she would "invest" time, and then "pay" the man with sex, in the hope that she would get affection, commitment and nice feelings in return. This is quite a normal sort of transaction in our culture - women are brought up to expect it.

Of course she was usually dreadfully let down because the men could smell on her that she was looking to be loved, and not assessing them on whether they were worth loving (if that makes sense). I was always doing the latter and it did, I think, attract different men vs. what she attracted.

Dating is a hard one, it brings out all our vulnerabilities because ultimately, we are all looking to be loved. Some of us are tougher and perhaps have a touch of narcissism, enough to sustain us as we hold back and assess the other person... some of us are tender hearted and just can't hold back like that. It's very hard! It isn't actually a moral argument. I think it's to do with how people "are" deep inside, it's not something that is easily changed.

Longsight2019 · 25/08/2020 15:53

Tell him you enjoyed your evening but a big part of you wants to go back to pre-consummated relations as you think you’ve moved too quickly. Ban it for another 4 dates and see where that gets you.

Inching · 25/08/2020 15:54

@rvby, I think you must have been very good for that friend!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/08/2020 16:01

He "feels empty"?

He's confusing feelings with his scrotum. It's his scrotum that's empty.

And his head.

You're well out of it. Glad you had a good time and a good shag. Here's to the next one

Whatgoesaround192 · 25/08/2020 16:07

Haha vivarium 😂

@rvby I wish I could be like you!

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rvby · 25/08/2020 17:35

[quote Inching]@rvby, I think you must have been very good for that friend![/quote]
She used to get properly furious with me!! When it all worked out and years later I found myself settled with a nice man that I met via my ruthless dating style, she was almost angry about it, as if I didn't deserve it, or there must be something wrong with a man who would allow me to be so cheeky and demanding Shock nowt as queer as folk. I'm still friends with her, ish, but I can guarantee you she tells scandalized stories of my past dating life to other women who are likeminded to her...!

@Whatgoesaround192 it's a hard one. Maybe there are things I miss out on, being so ruthless? Maybe there are experiences in relationships that you have that I will never have, because my heart isn't as open. That's cold comfort at a time when you're feeling crap about a particular date, but perhaps in a couple of days you'll see the positive.

Regardless of it all, you didn't do anything wrong, you're a lovely lady and, again, there's nowt as queer as folk! This guy actually sounds a bit unhinged to me, which you couldn't have known without taking a risk or two. That's the crux of it - dating is about taking risks, there's no escaping it. That's what makes it hard.

BaconsLaw · 25/08/2020 17:51

Didn't feel too empty to have sex again the next morning though, did he? I'm sorry it didn't work out for you this time. I really hope you do meet the right guy soon. Remember that you've done nothing wrong.

I once went on a date with a guy who cane up with some stupid excuse to get me back to his room (in a house share). I was quite young and inexperienced so didn't see the rouse at all. He just wanted to get me into bed. I'd already decided I wasn't interested so I sat there awkwardly for what felt like forever!

His friend, who was massive (large build and really muscular), turned up and I realised what a stupid situation I'd gotten myself in to. No one knew where I was and I was stuck in an empty house with two strangers.

Luckily, the friend was an absolute gem. He must have realised how uncomfortable I was and offered to walk me to my bus stop when he was leaving.

supercali77 · 25/08/2020 19:53

The block. The sudden change of tune. Its someone else. Either got back with an ex or had someone else all along.

AnnaSW1 · 25/08/2020 20:36

I massively doubt he got the ick. Just for some men it's all about the chase. Once they get it they move on to the next. There's nothing you could have done to prevent this and nothing you did wrong. Give yourself a break. The way I see it, it's good this happened on the third date and not later because it's stopped him from wasting even more of your time and you getting more invested.
I've heard so many friends who have experienced exactly the same,whether online or offline dating.

Don't let it stop you trying to find someone.

billy1966 · 25/08/2020 20:50

@BaconsLaw

Didn't feel too empty to have sex again the next morning though, did he? I'm sorry it didn't work out for you this time. I really hope you do meet the right guy soon. Remember that you've done nothing wrong.

I once went on a date with a guy who cane up with some stupid excuse to get me back to his room (in a house share). I was quite young and inexperienced so didn't see the rouse at all. He just wanted to get me into bed. I'd already decided I wasn't interested so I sat there awkwardly for what felt like forever!

His friend, who was massive (large build and really muscular), turned up and I realised what a stupid situation I'd gotten myself in to. No one knew where I was and I was stuck in an empty house with two strangers.

Luckily, the friend was an absolute gem. He must have realised how uncomfortable I was and offered to walk me to my bus stop when he was leaving.

It's funny, but I was so bloody lucky when I was in my 20's, that I came acroos 10 fab gentlemen for every sleeze bag.

I was so lucky. Worked abroad, multiple nationalities, fantastic mix of hugely successful professionals and trades, one nicer than the other. Fantastic men.

It's so sad, to realise, with two daughter's, that I have to warn/prepare/warn /try not to sound like an anti man person..etc.

My own experience of men dating etc..was so bloody positive before I met and married a great man.

It's so disappointing to realise how different things are and how old it makes me feel, and sad.

Cheetahfajita · 25/08/2020 21:24

He'll be back. I give him a week.

Whatgoesaround192 · 25/08/2020 21:50

What will he be back for though? He's done a massive u-turn after one night of sex, saying he felt dreadful. I don't think he can come back from that one!

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IncandescentSilver · 25/08/2020 22:12

Cheetahfajita He'll be back. I give him a week.

I'm saying 3 - 4 months.

He will be back for further affirmation of his desirability, if he gets the chance.

That type need a lot of affirmation, as they flit around.

YgritteSnow · 25/08/2020 22:46

@Whatgoesaround192

What will he be back for though? He's done a massive u-turn after one night of sex, saying he felt dreadful. I don't think he can come back from that one!
They forget. They genuinely do. They forget how badly they behaved and as this type of person is so self absorbed they don't really consider the impact it had on you or how you might be feeling about it. There irrelevant. It's all about them and in a few months when he has greyed out all the details he may start to think maybe he acted too hastily and how he might like to give it another go. This may happen sooner depending on how much interest he has elsewhere.
Wallywobbles · 25/08/2020 23:01

Look I had sex with my now DH within 10 mins of our first meeting. (It'd been 6 years for me so I was feeling very up for it).

Players are players. Better to find out ASAP and waste no time on waiting for shit sex.

YgritteSnow · 25/08/2020 23:09

They're not there.

EarringsandLipstick · 25/08/2020 23:09

@Wallywobbles

😂😂😂

Look I had sex with my now DH within 10 mins of our first meeting

C'mon you have to tell more! 10 minutes?

BuffaloMozzerella · 25/08/2020 23:13

I also reckon he'll be back. At some point he will run
out of other options and need an ego boost. You of course will be so grateful to be back in favour you will fall swooning at his feet....

I'd block him back now just to stop him in his tracks

EarringsandLipstick · 25/08/2020 23:13

vivarium

He's confusing feelings with his scrotum. It's his scrotum that's empty.

Brilliant line!

OP you sound great. I'm sorry you came across this fool. You've had great advice. I can't add to it, as I'm 7 years out of my abusive marriage, and cannot even imagine dating, OLD seems like something I could never manage (I'm 44, but it all feels like another world to me). So I'm endlessly impressed with those who are brave, and taking chances & looking for happiness

💐 for you

Wallywobbles · 26/08/2020 06:46

@EarringsandLipstick just started OLD. I'd had a coffee with Mr Monday (who was not as advertised and still lived with his mum at 50) and DH was Mr Wednesday. We'd emailed, then texted, then had 2 lengthy phone calls over 12 days. Got increasingly flirty.

We were meeting in a hotel as I didn't want to drive home after date. Basically he walked through the door and I jumped him.

Fortunately he's lovely!! And that very first evening I went from I'm never getting married again to I want to marry this man. He felt the same. And here we are - in a fully merged family (2 kids each) some 6 years later.