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DH has given me an ultimatum

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tempusername22 · 18/08/2020 05:47

He has decreed that I am obsessed by my phone and said that if I don't address it, our marriage is over as he doesn't want to be married to someone who would rather use her phone than spend time with him. We live in a small apartment a long way from our families, DC have left home. We both work full time. Apart from work, we spend over 95% of our time together (I sometimes meet friends for coffee or book club, he very rarely goes out unless it's a work thing, and those aren't happening right now anyway).

I don't use Facebook, but do use Twitter (I'm a teacher and have made a lot of useful connections through there, including being part of a software development trial which will benefit my school and becoming a tutor for an online course, which has paid me over £1000). I've recently started learning two relevant and useful languages on Duolingo. In the past, I have deleted apps that I felt were too 'compulsive'. I tend to use the phone to read the news or play a short game when we are in the car, but never have it on the dinner table at home or out, but might use it in a cafe if DH is on his or I'm updating the shopping list etc. I'll take it out if I'm hanging around in a clothes shop while he tries something on or he has gone to the toilet in the shopping centre. He says 'Every time I emerge from somewhere, you are on it.' The car and the shops are probably the easiest times to stop using it as I feel like he needs to really see the difference right now.

I don't get a screen time report but I just looked it up and it says the average is 2h 40 mins - bear in mind that this is during school holidays so it would be less if I was at work. I drive to work so don't use it when commuting, but I listen to audiobooks and podcasts when exercising, shopping on my own and when driving on my own. I also have work emails on there plus work and work-related WhatsApp groups.

I've done three online smartphone addiction quizzes, 2 said yes you have a problem, the third said no. I answered yes to do you keep it by the bed, because I charge it there, but we both do. I also answered yes to do you message people more than talking face to face, and that's also yes due to covid and geography and time zones and being at home alone a lot right now.

I'm absolutely prepared to address this, as I don't want my marriage to end. However, I am sometimes using it purely for entertainment to stave off boredom. I'm not a party animal but we very rarely go out in the evenings, so we eat about 7.30 and then we're in our pjs for the night. The tv is always on and we have some shared tastes, some not so much (rugby and police programmes, especially). DH is really into music and I'd rather read, so if we're home on a weekend he will often watch music videos on tv and I will read or use my phone.

I told him that I would like us to have one tv-free night a week and that I don't want to tell him not to watch the things he wants to watch but that if I'm not interested in it I will do something else like read or use my phone. In the row he said at one point 'I don't know what you use it for' and at another that it was due to social media use, which it isn't, and I challenged that because he can't say he doesn't know and then tell me what the problem is. In lockdown my friend lent me a 1000 piece puzzle, which he helped a little with, but also complained that he had 'lost' me to that. I really enjoyed doing it but didn't do it 24/7.

At one point I was almost playing argument bingo - these things always come up:
I earn XXXXXX and that's why I have to have my work phone and be available 24/7
Your salary isn't enough to pay the rent here
Has this been an issue in previous relationships
Has anyone said this to you before
I'm not having another relationship where I'm treated like xxx
I don't need your income/intellect
You're treating me like I'm an idiot
I can manage perfectly well by myself (e.g. cooking etc)
I moved here so that we could spend more time together but not for this

This has been an issue several times over the last few years (we've lived here 2 years now). He accepts that I have gone some way to addressing it but says it's not enough, and that I am not the sort of person who should need to be asked more than once so clearly I don't care. It was a very one-sided row that lasted about 3 hours and involved dinner going in the bin. He's been really short with me the last few days so I guess this was brewing. He left for work this morning and I had a terse 'I'm going' and that was it.

He insists he doesn't want me to feel like I can't use my phone and it doesn't need to be out of reach, but when at home I just need to manage how I use it better. Although I think he is over-reacting, and there are underlying issues from his previous relationship, I definitely do not want this to be the end of our marriage so I will sort it out. I need some sort of engagement from him so that I don't die of boredom on the sofa every night. He said if it's not your phone it's your tablet/laptop, but all of my reading takes place on a device e.g. Kindle or tablet. I feel like he doesn't 'do' anything - apart from the gym, which we used to do together but this is tricky now that every other treadmill is out of use so we stagger our visits at the moment - so once at home if he's not doing domestic stuff or work stuff, there's only the tv. He doesn't read, plays the guitar but very infrequently, and has no hobbies.

Don't say LTB, it's not happening and I wouldn't over this - although he has said I can move out and then I can use my phone as much as I want. He's angry but also said he's very unhappy, and I don't want to be the cause of that.

Sorry it's so long!

OP posts:
MrsSSG · 18/08/2020 10:22

^^:48YgritteSnow

There is no issue with me reading at any time and especially when he's engaged with something else.

Phew! You're fine to do what you want as long as he's occupied but make sure you're on high alert ready for whenhisinterest starts to wane and you need to step up and entertain.

He is a giant toddler.

@YgritteSnow he really is! Grin

Seriously OP, and you can't play board games about general knowledge unless it damages his fragile ego either?! What are you at allowed to do?? Why can't he come up with some ideas if he's so fussy and pedantic?

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 10:23

ygritte I think I might feel tempted to be resentful if my dp constantly considered themselves superior to me!
If op is a pompous academic that feels she is above all mere mortals with two masters degree over his measly one, and she felt the need to highlight that fact in her last post then maybe, just maybe that is the problem.

It is not particularly surprising that he finds it unattractive in a character, as I would too. We all have strengths and weaknesses, lording your perceived superiority over others is not a good quality in any relationship.

tempusername22 · 18/08/2020 10:23

@YgritteSnow you're correct. I don't ever bring it up, and he came proudly to my second MA graduation (I had the first when we met) but he does bring it up. We enjoyed our lockdown online quizzes, with minor tantrums when I answered so quickly that he hadn't even had time to read the question (I read a gazillion words a minute), so I learned to slow down so it was a more enjoyable experience for us both. The only game I have at home is Trivial Pursuit and he is always reluctant to play it as he thinks the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

OP posts:
DeeCeeCherry · 18/08/2020 10:23

So he wants you off your phone so that you can watch TV all night with him? How tedious. You do not have to like what he likes. & vice versa. & in PJs by 7.30pm FFS. So boring. Do you talk? Go for walks together? Visit friends and relatives? Go for a drink? Have separate evenings be that one upstairs/in a different room, or out? But you seem to care about each other somehow so work towards doing something jointly or your very insular marriage probably won't last anyway. I know some will take pleasure in lecturing you about phone use but perhaps if there'd been some zest in your marriage you wouldn't be. It's good to address it but not if result is you both sat like lumps in front of TV every night instead. Use non-phone time to do something a bit more constructive that you can both enjoy.

Willowbee · 18/08/2020 10:29

You do say you're not contemplating leaving him and that you'd just like him to stop mentioning your phone use, but other things you've said suggest bigger problems.

  • You're bored
  • You say you're mainly using your phone for work but he doesn't believe you
  • He's not happy and you feel partly responsible
  • You have the same arguments over and over
  • He has mentioned that if you left him you could use your phone more
  • He sulks

You know him and your marriage better than anyone, but if a female friend of mine confided those problems to me I'd be asking her why she was putting up with it.

katy1213 · 18/08/2020 10:29

You both sound boring - I think you're made for each other! PJs at 7.30 and telly/phone all evening. You might as well be in be a care home!

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 10:29

Perhaps you could embrace the Japanese dating model.

Both pick up their phones at the dinner table whilst eating, messaging each other. Problem solved!
Yes that really is a thing and we saw it many times in Asia with young couples eating out! We thought they messaging others until we found out that they were actually communicating with each other all the while sitting opposite each other.

Maybe suggest he is not using his phone enough if all else fails, at least he knows he can definitely find you/reach you digitally..

Melonslicexx · 18/08/2020 10:32

I think covid is testing realtionships more than ever. But we are a generation of online phone users. I do look back fondly on my teen years before phones were so huge. You somehow were more free then. Now you have access so easily to absolutely everything. My partner likes the police programs too and top gear. I just am not interested so will go have a bath and listen to music on my phone. We use our phones for different reasons. I use it for food shopping, Facebook, online shopping and banking. He uses his for work and linked in. He also watches conspiracy theories and stuff on YouTube. He Jokes about me always being on mine. But he's forever on his work phone in the evenings reading stuff. So he's just as bad. He also stays up watching family guy and I go to bed.

The question is. ... Is it lockdown. Because lockdown has bored the hell out of many people. Or is it a genuine long term problem?

You perhaps need to stop getting it out in shops for a start. I also don't use mine in the car or I feel sickly. But perhaps it's easy to do the following.

8.30pm you both put them up high. Make a drink. Sit in the garden whilst it's still summer. Talk! Go for an evening walk and talk. Leave the phones on the side at home. Have lunch without them.

Choose a film each one night a week. So you spend two evenings a week watching something together.

Simple things. It's addictive. But you can save your realtionship easily by putting it away for a couple of hours in the evening x

Sakurami · 18/08/2020 10:34

He sounds very insecure actually. And tantrumming because you're better at games than him is ridiculous. We are all better at some things than others, but dont go tantrumming if someone beats us!

frazzledasarock · 18/08/2020 10:34

How is everyone getting 'constantly on the phone' from 2h 40min per day?

I spend waaaay over that on mine.

I had was married to a guy like yours OP, I wasn't actually allowed a phone in the first instance anyway. Why do you need a phone who will you be messaging.
Then I wasn't allowed to read books, it's a waste of time, engage with the children or do housework, anything I found fun or engaging he found a reason why I should not be doing it, at one point he said if I was bored i should take a nap as that was a more sontructive use of my time!

Then I took up knitting and told Dc I would knit her a patchwork blanket, DC was very excited and sit with me to monitor progress. Fuckface had no come back to that, although he frantically tried to find a reason why I shouldn't be knitting either.

Then I LTB, and I life is good.

SciFiScream · 18/08/2020 10:35

Oh good grief. Your screen time is NOTHING, nothing. NOTHING. I've taken a screenshot of mine. It looks bad I know but I do a lot of actual work on social media platforms (esp Twitter, LinkedIn, Insta and Facebook) as I manage 2 company pages. One for my paid work, one for a senior volunteering role that is a statutory responsibility.

His screen time complaint is a cover for the fact he's an arse.

Don't let him control you like that.

DH has given me an ultimatum
Graciebobcat · 18/08/2020 10:35

You both sound boring - I think you're made for each other! PJs at 7.30 and telly/phone all evening. You might as well be in be a care home!

We can't all be as exciting as you @katy1213 and your macrame, spoon-bending swinger parties.

YgritteSnow · 18/08/2020 10:36

@Friendsoftheearth

ygritte I think I might feel tempted to be resentful if my dp constantly considered themselves superior to me! If op is a pompous academic that feels she is above all mere mortals with two masters degree over his measly one, and she felt the need to highlight that fact in her last post then maybe, just maybe that is the problem.

It is not particularly surprising that he finds it unattractive in a character, as I would too. We all have strengths and weaknesses, lording your perceived superiority over others is not a good quality in any relationship.

You seem to be reading an entirely different thread to everyone else. Strange. 🤔
BlingLoving · 18/08/2020 10:37

I don't really understand this at all.

He's threatened by your intellect and you have to pretend to be dumber than you are to keep him happy? Is this 1820 or 2020? I couldn't work out who earns more but it's clear that the disparity in salary is an issue which I don't get. He has an issue with you being on your phone all the time including when he is not with you - I cannot think of a situation in which while waiting for DH to come out of a shop or whatever that I WOULDN'T get my phone out. Then, obviously, put it back when he reappears. But he wants you sitting waiting for him?

Also find it odd that you seem to DO everything together. Shopping, cooking, tv, evenings, gym etc. Obviously, each to their own, but blimey, if you are together 100% of the time you're not working then of course a higher proportion of your time together involves you being on the phone.

Shoxfordian · 18/08/2020 10:38

It sounds like he resents you having other interests
He seems quite insecure

queenofknives · 18/08/2020 10:38

He sounds very controlling and paranoid/insecure.

I agree that it's good to set limits on screen time but that should apply to both of you and he needs to make an effort to do things you can both enjoy and be involved in. Honestly he sounds like a pain in the arse.

ithinkiveseenthisfilmbefore · 18/08/2020 10:40

It sounds like he's trying to keep you 'in your place', frankly: your job is to be there for him, with him, doing what he wants. Oh, and you can't show him up with your intellect, because that makes him feel like you're smarter than he is, and he can't have that. Which is also why he points out you couldn't pay the rent without him there.

your usage for a holiday time period and under an odd covid time is actually incredibly low when you're using it for everything - news, games, keeping in touch with people, a bit of social media. Quite low! Note he didn't even like you doing a puzzle because it took your attention off of meeting his needs.

He's being controlling and unreasonable. he needs to get friends and/or hobbies of his own. But I suspect I get why he doesn't have any. Insecure twats struggle to hold on to friendships.

Friendsoftheearth · 18/08/2020 10:41

Perhaps it is time for some honesty.

You have married an intellectual lightweight that does not stimulate or inspire you at all. He bores you half to death and you have retreated into your phone for relief. He knows it, you know it. We know it.

If you don't have dc I would suggest you consider calling it a day and finding someone on your own wavelength.
A care home is probably going to be preferable to your evenings in just a few years....I can't see how it can possibly improve. You will just grow even more unhappy as the years go by, start to hate each other and resort to sniping and reducing your collective confidence and contentment to zero.

You are not well matched on any level. Particularly if he can't even win a a simple game of trivial pursuit!

GabsAlot · 18/08/2020 10:42

yo9ure better at general knowledge so u cant play anything like that-thats quite pathetic really

and losing you to a puzzle wtf

i spend way more time on my phone granted i dont work but as long as its not stopping anyting else going on all is fine

doodleygirl · 18/08/2020 10:42

Its very telling that it is you that seems to bend to his wants and needs rather than you both compromising. I am reading between your lines but it seems as if you are almost apologising for being intellectually brighter than your DH.

I would suggest you spend less time together and cultivate some external interests and friends separately which would then allow you both to have other topics to talk about.

I think it is very claustrophobic to expect to get everything from each other.

chatterbugmegastar · 18/08/2020 10:44

Don't say LTB, it's not happening and I wouldn't over this - although he has said I can move out and then I can use my phone as much as I want.

Then if you insist on staying with him and keeping the marriage alive.....you must do what he says

I think he sounds utterly revolting and I wouldn't share air with him

But you've made your choice - not sure why you're asking us tbh

Btw your phone usage is NOT excessive

HyacynthBucket · 18/08/2020 10:45

People very quick to jump to conclusions about a controlling man. I think he sounds very unhappy about his relationship. He has asked OP not to be on the phone every time he looks up (which is really demoralising and ultimately rejecting for the other person as it means there is no real focus on him or their interraction), and told her how it makes him feel. Yet she seems addicted to the phone. Try not using it for a few days OP and see if there is any truth in this. It reminds me of alcoholism, where the booze always comes first before family.

sophiestew · 18/08/2020 10:47

@category12

Yep, he didn't like the jigsaw. If you read a physical book, I bet he doesn't like that much either?

What he wants if for you to sit waiting for his attention like this.

Exactly this!

If you don't want to LTB ( I bloody would) then you have to roll over and obey OP. Your choice.

unmarkedbythat · 18/08/2020 10:49

People very quick to jump to conclusions about a controlling man. I think he sounds very unhappy about his relationship.

Yes, me too, but as this is mumsnet, the only possible explanation for this situation can be that the H is an abusive, controlling man and OP is an innocent victim who cannot possibly be at fault. Sad really.

Devlesko · 18/08/2020 10:50

I can't stand it, and find it rude.
I don't mean never do it, but when you are both travelling in the car e.g you gave. What's wrong with conversation.
Spending time outside work together is hardly much, me and dh spend most of our days together but find lots to talk about rather than reverting to phone use for companionship.
In a cafe you sound as bad as each other. maybe if he's an avid user you should pull him up on it.
Tbh, I find you both very sad, communication must be non existent.